Is there anyone else who gets tired of hearing how bad our offseason was?

[big daddy russ]

I know I'm relatively new to the board, but I just read the 43,369th thread talking about our failure this offseason as a franchise.

Anyone else out there like front office did? I did. Going into the offseason, I thought we needed to address three things:

1.) An eventual replacement to Timmy down low.

2.) A younger bench player (or starter, depending on where Pop puts Manu) who can put the ball on the floor and attack the hoop.

3.) Backup PG


Our post of the future wiped his ass with our hundreds, and finding a decent 4 or 5 considering what we had to work with just wasn't going to happen. As far as a looking for a capable G/F, Maggette was offered twice what we could pay and J.R. Smith's hands were tied as a RFA, so we picked up a decent wing who can attack the rim and were smart with our money in the process. I may not be 100% sold on Hill, but our worst-case scenario is that we wind up exactly where we left off last year--with Jacque Vaughn backing up TP.

In the grand scheme of things, I don't think Jannero Pargo is the difference between a le and an early exit. I think we did as much as we could with what we had, and we filled our needs without being stupid.

Please tell me I'm not the only one who feels this way.

[Spurtacus]

1. Mahinmi is unproven
2. Are you talking about Roger Mason?
3. George Hill still has much to learn

[SikhStyle]

Even though we may not have had the greatest offseason (though Mason, Jr. was a great pickup and I think Hill will provide some leverage off the bench) can we just stop forgetting that we still have 3 all-star worthy players? Maybe not all make it simultaneously every year, but come on. Tim maybe getting older, but he's still putting up the numbers we need him and he's DEFINITELY a solid presence in the paint on D. Manu is having a heck of an olympics, good ankle or not. and tony? He's on the cover of this years NBA Live. that's all i gotta say about him.

FAITH, PEOPLE! HAVE SOME!

[Joe Schmoogins]

this offseason was unspectacular, but perfectly fine. The FO can't produce players out of thin air, and all I ask is that they try to put us in position to contend every year. They just did a little offseason pruning, and we are legit le contenders for the eleventh season in a row (pretty amazing). I like our chances over any other team, and I trust the FO because of their extreme success in the past.

[kobyz]

if you are a real spurs fan you have to criticize the FO moves, it's show that you care from your team and it's show that the FO mistaks hurt you.

[Sense]

Just a typical offseason for Spurstalk...

so most of us kinda we used to it... new people... we understand why'd you'd be this fraustrated

[Brutalis]

This is how it is every summer. The summer we got Finley everyone went into championship conversation though.

[v2freak]

To answer the thread le: yes, even the truth gets tiresome

[anakha]

The typical ST climate generally has the number of cliffjumpers peaking around February and August.

The Van Exel-Finley summer of 2006 was a bit of a freak weather anomaly, as stated above.

[mrspurs]

im gonna take a guess and say i dont think its what our spurs are doing. I think its what the rest of the nba is doing. We only needed a few games to win HCA. And imo, with HCA we would won it all last season. With pargo not signing with NO and not signing with us, it made us better in our division. With that in mind, im guessing another point to backup tony will be important to relieve manu from playing that 1 spot. Other then roger i still dont think that spot is filled. If i know pop he will be looking for a cheap, but veteran point, if for anything, insurance in case tony or jacque go down.

[I. Hustle]

Just a typical offseason for Spurstalk...

so most of us kinda we used to it... new people... we understand why'd you'd be this fraustrated

But I am very fraustrated

[samikeyp]

Just a typical offseason for Spurstalk...

so most of us kinda we used to it... new people... we understand why'd you'd be this fraustrated

Pretty much.

The Spurs FO could have done every move mentioned on this board and someone would still find a reason to .

[FromWayDowntown]

What amuses me is the fact that there's still complaining even though the Spurs have tried to do many things that so many of those who are upset about. It's not as if the Spurs decided that they wouldn't make a run at Maggette; it's not as if the Spurs didn't try to find a backup point in the draft; it's not as if the Spurs didn't make an effort to deal with Splitter; it's not as if the Spurs didn't make runs at Pargo, Najera, Giricek, and several others. The front office did all of those things.

That those acquisitions didn't happen isn't a matter of the front office coming up short, though; the Spurs couldn't match the offers that Maggette, Pargo, Najera, and Giricek got and the Spurs might have lost out on opportunities to find at least some youth if they had tied up the full MLE someone like J.R. Smith. Mason over Barry sounds bad to those who like the familiar, but if Barry's aging body breaks down again or if Mason's youth adds something to the Spurs roster (as it is reasonable to hope it will), that deal is, at worst, a wash. It might prove to be a decision that actually makes the Spurs better. The jury's out on Hill, as it is on the darlings of the various draftniks around here who criticize the front office for not making 1000 trades on draft night or for passing on players from bigger schools like Kansas. With respect to the Kansas kids, the criticism is interesting given the tight relationship between R.C. Buford and Bill Self (R.C.'s kid was allowed to walk on at Kansas because of that relationship). It would defy logic to think that the Spurs' due diligence on Chalmers and Arthur didn't include long talks with their collegiate coach; it might very well be that Self had some concerns about how well either of those guys will transition to the next level.

All in all, the criticisms are par for the course around here; Mikey's right that the complainers would have complained no matter what. But it's a ridiculous argument to say that the Spurs aren't trying or that it's their fault that they haven't succeeded this summer (to the extent that such a claim is valid). Clearly, they've attempted to do quite a bit; you can't blame the front office when players decide to chase money rather than a relatively low-paying bit part for a team chasing a ring.

[jack sommerset]

Spur fans have heard this for 20 years. SA is not the best place to live. Surprise! Not.

[SenorSpur]

I'm not frustrated with the FO's effort in making moves to actively improve the roster. They used the draft to get younger and finally focused on domestic talent for the first time in many years. They sought to upgrade the hole at the SG position via free agency. While they were unable to get their preferred choice (Maggette), I believe Mason will be a solid pickup.

My frustration is the fact that several targeted players chose to go elsewhere. All of which led to a much quieter offseason that we would have hoped. Personally, I would never want to see the Spurs throw the type of crazy $$$ at some of these marginal FAs as do other teams.

The only other thing I believe the FO should have done was try to match the additional year and $$$ that Najera received by the Nets, which were very close. Other than that, I cannot fault their activity this summer

[T Park]

What amuses me is the fact that there's still complaining even though the Spurs have tried to do many things that so many of those who are upset about. It's not as if the Spurs decided that they wouldn't make a run at Maggette; it's not as if the Spurs didn't try to find a backup point in the draft; it's not as if the Spurs didn't make an effort to deal with Splitter; it's not as if the Spurs didn't make runs at Pargo, Najera, Giricek, and several others. The front office did all of those things.

That those acquisitions didn't happen isn't a matter of the front office coming up short, though; the Spurs couldn't match the offers that Maggette, Pargo, Najera, and Giricek got and the Spurs might have lost out on opportunities to find at least some youth if they had tied up the full MLE someone like J.R. Smith. Mason over Barry sounds bad to those who like the familiar, but if Barry's aging body breaks down again or if Mason's youth adds something to the Spurs roster (as it is reasonable to hope it will), that deal is, at worst, a wash. It might prove to be a decision that actually makes the Spurs better. The jury's out on Hill, as it is on the darlings of the various draftniks around here who criticize the front office for not making 1000 trades on draft night or for passing on players from bigger schools like Kansas. With respect to the Kansas kids, the criticism is interesting given the tight relationship between R.C. Buford and Bill Self (R.C.'s kid was allowed to walk on at Kansas because of that relationship). It would defy logic to think that the Spurs' due diligence on Chalmers and Arthur didn't include long talks with their collegiate coach; it might very well be that Self had some concerns about how well either of those guys will transition to the next level.

All in all, the criticisms are par for the course around here; Mikey's right that the complainers would have complained no matter what. But it's a ridiculous argument to say that the Spurs aren't trying or that it's their fault that they haven't succeeded this summer (to the extent that such a claim is valid). Clearly, they've attempted to do quite a bit; you can't blame the front office when players decide to chase money rather than a relatively low-paying bit part for a team chasing a ring.

As always FWD makes a fantastic post and is the intelligent calm voice

[mabrignani]

i cant believe people actually think we are gonna suck this year. ginobili has been wreckin in olympic play. tim duncan gets a full offseason to rest up, as well as tony p. if ginobili wasnt hurt against the lakers we would be a dynasty. also cheer up everyone 2009 is an odd year...we have the statistics on our side

[Fabbs]

To answer the thread le: yes, even the truth gets tiresome

Concur and that's why i like how its morphed into some funny stuff.
Originally Posted by Spurs Information Minister

"no need to panic Spurs fans....
the organization is making great offseason moves..."

Can someone 'chop me a Spurs logo on PollyAnna posters sweater and/or forehead?

Or her "jersey"?

[Gino]

I know I'm relatively new to the board, but I just read the 43,369th thread talking about our failure this offseason as a franchise.

Anyone else out there like front office did? I did. Going into the offseason, I thought we needed to address three things:

1.) An eventual replacement to Timmy down low.

Spurs fans might have a problem understanding this, but franchise seven footers don't grow on trees.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I'm still pissed over them passing on Keith Van Horn in the draft.

[FromWayDowntown]

Spurs fans might have a problem understanding this, but franchise seven footers don't grow on trees.

Yes, well many Spurs fans seem to believe that the franchise will just seamlessly move from the days of championship with Tim Duncan on the roster to the days of championship contention after Tim Duncan retires.

[wisnub]

if you are a real spurs fan you have to criticize the FO moves, it's show that you care from your team and it's show that the FO mistaks hurt you.

AGREE !!!! We all want the best of our team and one bad offseason moves WILL affect a team performance in one full year. That is important considering Spurs have strong tradition of EXCELLENCE. Spurs management considered the best run according to ESPN judging from 4 of most popular sports in US. Losing good players after players for any reasons should bother you, if not then its either your in denial or you underestimate the progress of Wild West Conf.
I admit that FO did try to pull some things this offseason and that should be the least expectation from great organization. If we're talking about lousy organization than its whole different story,this offseason is great. I dont want to remember about Scola departure to Rockets, offer Fin better deal than Bonnes, the risk of letting Splitter contract expired to sign him with rookie salary knowing that he projected to lead us in future (now he's a scrub),etc. How about passing on Chalmers and CDR? We only want to motivate them to work better, otherwise FO didnt live up to their reputation.
If somebody in forum said we should be more grateful for past performances, I hear you and grateful for past records.BUt all we want is the best for our own future (did Pop irrated TP in his early years? Look at the result). Playing safe did not push us to the next level. As any investment product would claim: past performance did not guarantee future results.

[FromWayDowntown]

Playing safe did not push us to the next level. As any investment product would claim: past performance did not guarantee future results.

So what moves did the Spurs not try to make that you wish they had tried to make? Something specific.

[Sense]

if you are a real spurs fan you have to criticize the FO moves, it's show that you care from your team and it's show that the FO mistaks hurt you.

I disagree...
you don't criticize every move just because we didn't get a star..

if you are a real spurs fan you keep your mouth shut for the most part and trust that the Spurs will do their best to stay successful...

it's not like your criticizing will make a difference

[wisnub]

So what moves did the Spurs not try to make that you wish they had tried to make? Something specific.

I know im still grudging for letting Rockets buy "expensive" Scola contract, I should let that one go coz thats not this offseason. Im bit dissapointed that they pass on Chalmers and CDR in draft...and so far Hill didnt show good games in SUmmer but hopefully that changes. I also didnt believe that we didnt increase offer on Bonnes; he end up signing w/ Rockets and I heard that Rockets offer difference in terms of money is not that great. He did put up 23 points one time on playoffs and almost win Lakers game for us. If he's not injured i think he will be beneficial for us better than Vaughn and Bonner combined. Everything else just bad luck..at least we try to throw sumthin on CM