Spot Number 4 - Top 50 Spurs

[rascal]

Is Doug Moe on that list?

Doug Moe >>>> Peter Holt

[baseline bum]

Albeck too. Just don't put Cotton Fitzsimmons on that .

[whottt]

I'm having a hard time figuring out where I put Bass and Drossos....they are important, but there are a lot of players I want to put over them. I guess I figure someone had to own and run the team...Pop is different because he definitely started pushing the championship buttons.

I agree with FWDT that Bass was Pop light...he was exactly that.

[T Park]

How does the guy that takes the chance to moving the team to San Antonio, being THE MAN to bring the team to SA in the first place, NOT get more mention?

Baffling..

[T Park]

I thought the red chameleon was the good luck charm in '97. Either way, he belongs on the ballot.

I thought 97 was the lucky Holt tie?

[rascal]

Which time are you talking about? The Spurs were supposedly about to trade Elliott and Perdue for him at one point ... but then Spree strangled Carlesimo and got suspended. The only other Spree trade rumor was Manu for Spree and I'm damn glad the Spurs didn't pull the trigger on that deal.

This is exactly why Pop and the Spurs should be commended for their GMing. The Spurs ended up being dead right when it came to not giving DA, Claxton and Nazr long-term contracts. Most every team would have locked those players up. But the Spurs saw a lack of commitment from DA .

The time after the choking. GS just wanted to get rid of Spree and it didn't take much to get him.

My point is the Spurs should have not even targeted these one year rental type players in the first place. These are the players the Spurs usually settle for and get, ones that are not good enough to keep around for more than a year.

Why not target an up and coming star like C Butler when his value was low. Or go after R Wallace. All it took Det was C Atkins and L Hunter and future first round pick to get Wallace. Or get Spree in 99 when GS just wanted to see him out of town. It didn't take much to get him. I believe the spurs could have beaten some of the Laker teams with Sprewell in the backcourt.

[baseline bum]

The time after the choking. GS just wanted to get rid of Spree and it didn't take much to get him.

My point is the Spurs should have not even targeted these one year rental type players in the first place. These are the players the Spurs usually settle for and get, ones that are not good enough to keep around for more than a year.

Why not target an up and coming star like C Butler when his value was low. Or go after R Wallace. All it took Det was C Atkins and L Hunter and future first round pick to get Wallace. Or get Spree in 99 when GS just wanted to see him out of town. It didn't take much to get him. I believe the spurs could have beaten some of the Laker teams with Sprewell in the backcourt.

I think by 99 they knew they'd never be able to make the Elliott/Perdue for Spreewell trade with Sean's kidney. There's no way he was going to pass the physical. John Starks and Chris Mills is better than what the Spurs could have put together without Elliott.

[FromWayDowntown]

The time after the choking. GS just wanted to get rid of Spree and it didn't take much to get him.

My point is the Spurs should have not even targeted these one year rental type players in the first place. These are the players the Spurs usually settle for and get, ones that are not good enough to keep around for more than a year.

Why not target an up and coming star like C Butler when his value was low. Or go after R Wallace. All it took Det was C Atkins and L Hunter and future first round pick to get Wallace. Or get Spree in 99 when GS just wanted to see him out of town. It didn't take much to get him. I believe the spurs could have beaten some of the Laker teams with Sprewell in the backcourt.

It took more than that from Detroit. In order to get Wallace, the Pistons gave up Bob Sura, Zeljko Rebraca, Chucky Atkins, Lindsey Hunter, and two first round picks (their own and one they obtained from Milwaukee). In 03-04, Sura was making around $6.26M, Rebraca was at $4.2M, Atkins was at $3.9, and Hunter at $3.0.

To make that deal work, the Pistons acquired Chris Mills (who was making $6.6M) and Mike James (minimum) from Boston for Atkins and Hunter plus a #1. They then traded $17 million in salary (Sura, Rebraca, and Mills) plus a #1 to Atlanta for Rasheed.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Alvin Robertson

[timvp]

For me, there's one thing that clearly separates Manu and Tony: Manu is our go-to guy at the end of games. Our best play when the game is on the line is usually 'get the ball to Manu and get the out of the way', and it's pretty effective.

Pretty true. During most regular seasons and during the 2005 championship run, Ginobili has put up fantastic numbers in the clutch. However, in the 2006, 2007 and 2008 playoff runs, Parker has been the one with the better clutch stats.

[Manu20]

You have me 3 spots to low.

[timvp]

I'm going to go ahead and cast my vote for Pop.

#5 is going to be interesting. Looking at the voting, it looks like it'll be Drossos vs. Ginobili.

[baseline bum]

Pretty true. During most regular seasons and during the 2005 championship run, Ginobili has put up fantastic numbers in the clutch. However, in the 2006, 2007 and 2008 playoff runs, Parker has been the one with the better clutch stats.

Right off the top of my head, Manu pretty much closed out game 4 in Cleveland and won us Game 6 vs Phoenix in 07 (though most of that work was late in the third), plus the get it to Manu and get out of the way play in 2OT in game 1 vs Phoenix.

[timvp]

A name that shouldn't be forgotten is Robert McDermott. While he was the owner for only a short period of time, he made three very key decisions.

1) Hiring Gregg Popovich
2) Instructing Pop that the first thing he has to do is bring back Sean Elliott.
3) Deciding to sell to Peter Holt instead of going for the bigger cash from the Maloof brothers or from the Oklahoma City group.

The hiring of Pop wasn't anything close to cut and dry. How many time do you see an assistant coach from a losing franchise being hired to become a GM? Pop had very little NBA experience. In fact, he had less experience when he was hired than any GM I can ever remember.

Getting Elliott for what the Spurs gave up was a great move. Pop made the trade but McDermott was the one who wanted Elliott back in town. And selling to Holt instead of the others kept the Spurs in town.

It's going to be difficult to put McDermott too high but he was very important in his time as owner.

[Dave McNulla]

i seriously thought about voting for the original el cheapo, angelo drossos. just because he made the spurs viable for a long time. but i have to give pop his due first.

[rascal]

It took more than that from Detroit. In order to get Wallace, the Pistons gave up Bob Sura, Zeljko Rebraca, Chucky Atkins, Lindsey Hunter, and two first round picks (their own and one they obtained from Milwaukee). In 03-04, Sura was making around $6.26M, Rebraca was at $4.2M, Atkins was at $3.9, and Hunter at $3.0.

To make that deal work, the Pistons acquired Chris Mills (who was making $6.6M) and Mike James (minimum) from Boston for Atkins and Hunter plus a #1. They then traded $17 million in salary (Sura, Rebraca, and Mills) plus a #1 to Atlanta for Rasheed.

I don't see any big names in that deal. It is a bunch of role players packaged together. Its a deal that won the pistons a le and an example of dumping a bunch of role players and getting a big impact difference maker type of player. Those type of deals happen all the time in the nba. The spurs never get involved in any of them.

[DieMrBond]

I went with Pop, with apologies to Drossos - he is being argued as one of the top coaches in league history in some places, and he had too much of an impact on the Spurs to pass him up.

[century]

But since you asked, Gervin won 4 scoring les; he finished in the top 5 in the MVP voting for 4 straight years; his teams won division les in 5 seasons; and those teams played in 3 conference finals in a 5 year period. That he couldn't get over the hump against a Lakers team that had both Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Magic Johnson (and which added James Worthy for the 1983 conference finals) to go along with guys like Norm Nixon, Jamaal Wilkes, Michael Cooper, and Bob McAdoo hardly seems like a crime. The fact that the Spurs were even compe ive with that team speaks volumes to Gervin's utter greatness.

BFD. I give my votes to those who WON and not those who "almost won". Nostalgia is worthless anyway.

[FromWayDowntown]

BFD. I give my votes to those who WON and not almost won. Nostalgia is worthless anyway.

Gerard King > George Gervin

Tony Massenburg > George Gervin

Jacque Vaughn > George Gervin

Matt Bonner > George Gervin

[baseline bum]

Antoine Walker > Charles Barkley

[T Park]

Rascal's typical stupidity on full view here.

[greens]

Yeah it'd at least be nice to see one of the Manu Voters make a case for him. Seeing as they've voted him over Tim Duncan, David Robinson and George Gervin, perhaps Manu is indeed the greatest Spur of all-time and I just don't know about it.

I missed the poll. But I'm confused. Doesn't it ask who should get spot four in this particular thread/poll? So the people who now voted for Manu picked him over Pop and Tony and others on the list of choices basically? Not Tim or David or George since they already got the top three spots?

Or am I missing something here? I didn't get the chance to vote since the poll is now closed.

EDIT: Never mind. I get it. You mean the people who voted for Manu in all the prior polls too for the other spots.