A lesson in Free Speech

[T Park]

which featured stories describing sexual molestation and violence against children. Other stories included torture, rape and murder of children

Im sorry, I can't defend this being able to be written.

Whatever.

[Buddy Holly]

Pretty easy to defend when they allow millions of others to pen, stage, film and post just as equally ruthless or worse acts via the internet, print, tv or any other media.

How you see the correlation between her site and what she was doing to that of movies and tv, well, that's the view you choose to have.

[Buddy Holly]

It's easy. Ever read the Bible?


Rape:

34:2 And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.

Premeditated Drunken Incest:

19:34 And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

Also, death, destruction, murder, etc, etc.

Gee, I hope no one reads it and gets any ideas. Ban it.

The bible is filled with all sorts of stupid . It's one big pile of stupid .

Again, it's not the same thing as what this woman was doing.

[JoeChalupa]

Im sorry, I can't defend this being able to be written.

Whatever.

Have you never read a graphic novel before? I read some pretty bad stuff in my day.

[JoeChalupa]

If you don't want to read that stuff don't be a member.

[Buddy Holly]

It's just that.

Nobody's defending the content, they're defending her right to write the content.

She has the right to write it, but no one has the right to stop it?

, if everyone has the right to do stupid , then guess what, tagging is... you guessed it. A act of freedom of speech.

Not one person should protest it. Not one person should try to stop it. Not on person should get in trouble for it.

Tag away kids.

[BacktoBasics]

How you see the correlation between her site and what she was doing to that of movies and tv, well, that's the view you choose to have.

ogrish.com. Seems to be running without issue. Crazy .com so on an so forth and the list goes on. There are thousands of sites all over the net with far more graphic and evil content. These sites are filled with scat porn, human and animal mutilations, murder, beastiality...

but we chose to shut a site down with apparently less than 28 members where a women who was a victim herself found a way to ease the pain by penning graphic writings to make a buck.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The bible is filled with all sorts of stupid .

Again, it's not the same thing as what this woman was doing.

Why? Because you say so?

Is American Psycho different? It only promotes murder, brutality and rape.

[Buddy Holly]

Ogrish is no longer around. It's now Liveleak and has been so for awhile.

but we chose to shut a site down with apparently less than 28 members where a women who was a victim herself found a way to ease the pain by penning graphic writings to make a buck.

Yeah. write out in a way that makes it seem valid and acceptable. Go on.

[Buddy Holly]

Why? Because you say so?

No, because straigh forward there's a ing difference. It's not even on the same level.

Is American Psycho different? It only promotes murder, brutality and rape.

Yes, it's an R rated movie where an adult kills other adults. If it's a movie where a man or men constantly rape and kill children, you'd be ok with it getting made?

Again, this wasn't a woman writing about adults. Where you seem to miss that, is well, stunning.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

"Hounddog," a controversial movie that features child actress Dakota Fanning in a graphic child rape scene...

Apparently, she just needed a better publicist and/or marketing team.

[Buddy Holly]

Apparently, she just needed a better publicist and/or marketing team.

Holy crap. You won't stop. Trying everything you can to justify this.

Was this woman kid? No. She got probation and had her computer taken away. Get over it. She can continue to write all the stories of children being raped and murdered she wants in the privacy of her own home.

Maybe next time she won't put it on the internet for everyone to see.

[Buddy Holly]

DLF, just answer me this. Are you fine with taggers?

[T Park]

Have you never read a graphic novel before? I read some pretty bad stuff in my day.

I can't say I've ever read a novel about details in raping, murdering, and molesting children. Nor would I ever WANT to read such vile filth as that.

[Ronaldo McDonald]

A Pennsylvania woman has been sentenced to five years of probation, including six months of home detention, and forfeiture of her computer after pleading guilty Thursday to obscenity charges for running a Web site that featured text stories that were sexual and violent in nature.

Karen Fletcher, 56,of Donora, Pennsylvania, owned and operated the Web site, Red Rose Stories, which featured stories describing sexual molestation and violence against children. Other stories included torture, rape and murder of children, and Fletcher sold memberships to her site, where members could get full stories, the U.S. Department of Justice said.

Fletcher, using the pen name Red Rose, wrote most of the stories herself, the DOJ said. Some of the stories were available as audio files, but the site didn't include photos, according to press reports.

Fletcher reportedly was abused as a child and started the site as a form of therapy, according to news reports.

The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation ordered the site closed in late 2005. Some cons utional lawyers have questioned the prosecution of Fletcher, saying many pieces of popular literature have contained similar descriptions of abuse or murder.

Fletcher pleaded guilty Thursday in U.S. District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania in Pittsburgh to six counts of using an interactive computer service to distribute obscene materials. She must serve the first six months of her probation under home detention and pay a US$1,000 fine, Judge Joy Flowers Conti ruled.

Mary Beth Buchanan, the U.S. attorney in the Western District of Pennsylvania, has filed obscenity charges against several defendants.

Buchanan "has gone on a rampage trying to stamp out expression that doesn't meet her standards of morality," Marc John Randazza, a law professor at the Barry University School of Law in Orlando, wrote on his blog.

Randazza, who teaches about free speech rights and other legal issues, acknowledges that the content of Red Rose Stories was shocking, but he suggested the U.S. Cons ution protects fictional stories. "If you believe in the Cons ution, and you believe in what this country means, you can NOT believe that any American should ever face prison for writing fiction -- no matter what the subject matter of that fiction might be," he wrote in a blog post.

According to her, it's therapy. It's not like she's condoning the acts she's writing about. It's all about intention behind it. Stupid stuff, expecially when you consider the amount of literature, or entertainment in general, that is supports or is indifferent to violence it puts out there.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

No idea what that is.

[Buddy Holly]

According to her, it's therapy. It's not like she's condoning the acts she's writing about. It's all about intention behind it. Stupid stuff, expecially when you consider the amount of literature, or entertainment in general, that is supports or is indifferent to violence it puts out there.

What she's doing as her "treatment" is something she should keep private at home or on a website she can only access, to herself not post it on the internet and charge people membership. People more than likely who aren't "good" people.

[CosmicCowboy]

since it's true we can still talk about Tlong's beastiality with sheep without the FBI kicking our door in can't we?

[Buddy Holly]

No idea what that is.

A tagger? You have no idea what a tagger is?

They do a lot of this.

[Spurminator]

For one thing, do we even know that her stories "promoted" the rape and murder of children? Who decides that? Did The Accused promote rape?

But thank God we have this dangerous woman in jail where she belongs so she can't disseminate her filthy stories to 28 pervs anymore. Now those pervs will be forced to look somewhere else for disgusting fiction, but given how small the Internet is I'm guessing they'll have a hard time finding it.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Can't say I've ever really thought about it, to be honest with you.

[BacktoBasics]

I can't say I know but was it not a members only site. Her site that is. So wouldn't that be somewhat private...for adults only.

I wouldn't truely know the condition of the ogrish site but any of the others are equally as bad.

I'm not justifying her work I'm pointing out that they shouldn't single her out compared to the loads of other available online.

[Buddy Holly]

Can't say I've ever really thought about it, to be honest with you.

So if some punk kid one night tagged up your entire house with curse words, racist comments, vulgar and just plain unmentionable stuff. You'd have no problem with it?

None whatsoever.

I mean, you believe in freedom of speech so strongly.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

She said she charged the fee so she could verify age through the CC.

Irony?

[Buddy Holly]

For one thing, do we even know that her stories "promoted" the rape and murder of children? Who decides that? Did The Accused promote rape?

But thank God we have this dangerous woman in jail where she belongs so she can't disseminate her filthy stories to 28 pervs anymore. Now those pervs will be forced to look somewhere else for disgusting fiction, but given how small the Internet is I'm guessing they'll have a hard time finding it.

She's not in jail. You may want to actually read the article.