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Only the idiot Jerry Krause.
Weren't the Bulls tired of Michael, Phil, and Scottie by 1998 too?
Only the idiot Jerry Krause.
Rodman on the Pistons before he turned emo was a pretty damn good player. After he turned emo, the only person who could control him was MJ. The rest of the time all Rodman did was try to get as many rebounds as possible ... even if it meant not guarding his man or not being in the right spot offensively.
Those Spurs teams were never contenders.
I thought the whole story on his San Antonio tenure is that he was promised a contract extension with one ownership group, the team was sold, and the new owners did not feel beholden to honor any agreements he might have had with the previous group. That and he butted heads with Robinson is what prompted him to quit on the Spurs.If you could guarantee me i'd get the Rodman from the late 80s I'd completely agree about wanting to build my team around him, as he was fast, smart, athletic, a monster both on the glass and in contesting shots, and someone who always ran the floor in transition. That's not the whole story on him though, and it's ridiculous when people act like it is.
i was thinking the same thing. and actually all the TRUE contenders he was on (Pistons/Bulls) won multiple les, with him being a MAJOR part of their success.
BB's right, though, that at that point in his career, only Jordan could keep him in line. The Pistons traded him because he was becoming a problem.
You're just full of stupid excuses.
1)
The 95 Spurs weren't contenders? WTF kind of stupid logic is that? They won 62 games, were the #1 seed, and handled the first two rounds pretty easily. Two of their four losses to Houston came down to the last seconds, and they would have soundly beaten the Magic like they always did back then. Really convenient for your argument to only call a team a contender after it wins the le. You must be ing 10 years old to not remember the Spurs were the favorites to win the le that year... and a Laker team with Shaq, Kobe, and Rice wasn't a contender? They won 67 games the next year and a le.
2) WGAF if Robinson and Rodman butted heads? Pippen and Jordan hated each other. Jordan beat Horace Grant down in a practice, and slapped Steve Kerr. Kareem and Magic didn't like each other. Shaq and Kobe wanted to kill each other. Yet, they all figured out how to play together, and never decided to just quit on their team in the championship series. You can't call Rodman's act anything but being an unprofessional jackass in the 95 WCF.
Whatever. I call the Spurs unprofessional. Rodman had a monetary deal with his employer that was broken when new ownership came in. And then he probably had D-Rob in his ear like, "Golly Dennis, just suck it up for the team." I don't blame him at all- he said " that" to the whole situation and went to a better employer, who payed him right, and he won rings for them instead. If it were my career, in any field, I'd have done the same thing; quit and gone where the money and respect was in line with my talents. The Spurs have nobody to blame but themselves.
Except he was under contract. Another dumb excuse. You're really reaching now.
So what was the excuse when Shaq begged Laker management to bring him in to be the "thug" his team needed once they got their "shooter" (Rice) ?
.WGAF if Robinson and Rodman butted heads? Pippen and Jordan hated each other. Jordan beat Horace Grant down in a practice, and slapped Steve Kerr. Kareem and Magic didn't like each other. Shaq and Kobe wanted to kill each other. Yet, they all figured out how to play together, and never decided to just quit on their team in the championship series. You can't call Rodman's act anything but being an unprofessional jackass in the 95 WCF
I think the difference is that those guys you listed might not have liked each other as human beings, but they accepted each other as teammates and backed each other up on the floor. I don't think David Robinson ever treated Dennis Rodman with professional courtesy and respect or accepted him as a teammate. Robinson couldn't put aside his personal distaste for Rodman and let that dictate the way he treated him. The Spurs and Robinson handled him the exact opposite of how you should deal with a talented headcase. Robinson never treated Rodman with respect from the get-go. Should it be a surprise that Rodman handled that snub in a petulant manner?
Robinson always struck me as kind of a d-bag, see his comments regarding Steve Nash/Nick Van Exel and the war in 2003. How'd that stellar bit of political analysis work out for you, Admiral?
I guess it's just a difference of opinion. And this thread isn't really about whether or not he was a good guy, it's about Phil Jackson calling him the best athlete he's coached. Even if I disagreed with his treatment of the Spurs, which I don't, who cares? He overwhelmingly won rings for many more teams than he sabotaged (which in his prime was only poor little SA).
Did his character compromise his talent to some degree? Yes, I'll concede that. Doesn't matter though; his talent & accomplishments speak for themselves and even if his behavior maybe lowered the ceiling of his potential, it didn't lower it to the point that he wasn't still an amazingly accomplished and unique player.
Now you're just making up.
David was full of on that. Doesn't effect what he did on the floor.Robinson always struck me as kind of a d-bag, see his comments regarding Steve Nash/Nick Van Exel and the war in 2003. How'd that stellar bit of political analysis work out for you, Admiral?
lol,bitter
He was a role player on the Bulls. Him quitting on the Spurs is pretty significant, since it was the only time in his career that he was considered one of his team's franchise players. There was no question he was the #2 man on that team.
Agreeing with his quitting on the team is ing stupid. You don't like the team? Fine? Force a trade. Go sign somewhere else in the offseason. You don't quit on them after they've already paid you.
He was an amazing player in his early years in Detroit, and a solid starter for the Bulls. Like timvp said, he was a stat-padder after those first 4-5 seasons on the Pistons. His at ude on the court speaks for itself also. Bill Russell he is not.Did his character compromise his talent to some degree? Yes, I'll concede that. Doesn't matter though; his talent & accomplishments speak for themselves and even if his behavior maybe lowered the ceiling of his potential, it didn't lower it to the point that he wasn't still an amazingly accomplished and unique player.
Is that your best answer? Dodge the question just like the fan?
no i just dont feel like arguing with someone who is simply bitter, as opposed to someone who actually has a legit argument.
Arguing that the 95 Spurs, the le favorites, were a championship contender isn't a legit argument? Arguing that players should put aside personal dislikes on the floor isn't sound? Sounds more like you don't want to argue an indefensible position.
lol thats not what i was arguing nozzle. your ridiculous hatred and bias against rodman is what i was arguing more, but its not really worth my time.
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i was thinking the same thing. and actually all the TRUE contenders he was on (Pistons/Bulls) won multiple les, with him being a MAJOR part of their success.
i really wasnt arguing it. it was a statement. but more so to get under your skin than anything. fact is, he was a major part of 5 championship teams, and without him the spurs dont win 62 games in 1995. you can say what you want, but the man was a unique player, and there has never been a player quite like him, and may never be.
Bill Russell. Except he was a winner.
Wrong!
Jack Haley was.
Seriously, Mike never controlled Rodman. Mike couldn't stand the fact that Rodman would dress up in public and he would say so publicly. Didn't stop Rodman from doing it. MJ didn't stop him from acting on the court. Rodman continually had his moments on the court like he always did. I wouldn't even say that MJ taught him to want to win. He already had that desire. A big difference in my opinion was Phil. He loved Rodmans game and he let him do his thing as long as he brought his game every night. Rodman used to be out all night and play the game of his life the next day. His team mates were pissed with his antics but Phil loved what he brought to the court. Rodman could dominate a game without scoring a point.
Maybe it was more of a combination of Phil, MJ, Jack, Harp, Pippen, etc. Maybe it was like Hillary said, It took a village to control Rodman.
hes not nicknamed the worm for no reason
Exactly.
Barkley got pissed off (and probably jealous) of all the media Rodman was getting so decided to pull a Rodman and do nothing but rebound one game.
It might have been this game, i can't remember".
I think Chuck's records that game still stand in two catagories:
Most offensive rebounds, one half
13-Charles Barkley, Philadelphia vs. New York, March 4, 1987
Most offensive rebounds, one quarter
11-Charles Barkley, Philadelphia vs. New York, March 4, 1987
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