Barack's Speech

[xrayzebra]

Same old Liberal BS. Nothing new in the speech. Delivery was very good, but we knew he could read off the teleprompter, didn't we?

And we knew all his supporters would think it was the greatest speech ever delivered to mankind. And the cameramen did a good job of finding all the weeping fans.

I watched some it while watching Dallas beat up on Minn. And Baylor get their head handed to them by Wake Forest. Poor Bears, long season again.

[Mr. Peabody]

And we knew all his supporters would think it was the greatest speech ever delivered to mankind.

Obama supporters?

[florige]

I wonder how much that cost?

I agree, that was over the top. And probably not cost efficient either....

[Oh, Gee!!]

And Baylor get their head handed to them by Wake Forest. Poor Bears, long season again.

figures that you'd be a baylor fan. -you could probably be the dean.

[Das Texan]

Haven't checked the facts, but Wikipedia states the following about U.S. taxpayers:



In his speech last night, Barrack repeated his promise to give a tax cut to "95%" of working Americans. That leaves 5% with a tax increase, which he has also promised.

That 5% currently earns 33% of the income, and pays 57% of the taxes. Apparently they can shoulder much more (enough to give the other 95% a tax break).

A serious question: How much is enough? I asked in another thread recently what the top rate should be, and I had a single response; when that response (by a liberal) was shown to be even below MCAIN and Bush's top rate - the thread died.

How much taxation is enough? When has one American taken enough of the tax burden for 9.5 of his fellow citizens? When will the "most fortunate" have paid enough that the rest of us can thank them for their contributions, and not lambast them for their fortunes?

Why do people always look at taxes as only being paid by individuals?

One key area he said he would raise taxes is in the corporate world by eliminating many of their loopholes to avoid paying taxes when it comes to big corporations.

[implacable44]

Oh and that was a great speech.

Obama addressed every criticism that has been laid at his steps. Obama more than anything else is someone who can bring people together, can unite people for a common cause.

One of the overlying themes tonight was going out into the world and rebuilding the relationships that Bush has ed up in the last 7 years, especially after giving the world the middle finger when going into Iraq. We do that, and things will begin to improve dramatically.

Will Obama accomplish everything he said he would? Not likely.

But if Obama can accomplish just 2 of the major things he said he would, this nation would be a of a lot better off.

Especially the education part.

EVERY CRITICISM ? so he disucssed William Ayers? THe Black LIberation Theology ? -- All I heard was the same old garbage. Citizen of the world ? - I am a United States Citizen - Screw France, Russia, Iran, China, Venezuela--etc...Screw Cap and trade - screw the global warming lie .. screw signing over our sea rights to the world court - screw the UN.

[Mr. Peabody]

EVERY CRITICISM ? so he disucssed William Ayers? THe Black LIberation Theology ?

You get get your discussion of those idiotic topics from Hannity and Joe Pags.

[implacable44]

You get get your discussion of those idiotic topics from Hannity and Joe Pags.

THey sure do discuss them -- but then you get your moronic rhetoric from Geniuses like Keith Olberman and MSNBC / CNN / CBS/ NBC / ABC..etc..


Why are they idiotic ? His relationships are not important ? He is citizen of the world - Messiah.

Is Cap and trade important ? What is important ?

[MannyIsGod]

I"m really suprised so many people thought it was great. I thought it was good, but not great. Maybe even very good. I think he had some great one liners in there and I think he absolutely needed to start attacking McCain. If he doesn't start addressing like this he won't have a chance of getting elected.

That being said, I am REALLY suspect of a few of his claims but most of all with the 10 year plan to remove dependency on Middle East oil. I know he didn't say foreign oil but its really the same thing and I see that as impossible. Maybe that will be his JFK man on the moon plan, however.

[Mr. Peabody]

Why are they idiotic ?

They're idiotic because the AP, Chicago Sun-Times, Washington Post, and other news organizations have stated that any relationship between Obama and Ayers is tenuous, at best.

The fact is that Ayers is a professor at the University of Illinois-Chicago and Obama was a professor at the University of Chicago. Ayers is well-respected and very active in the Hyde Park community where Obama lives. The fact that their paths crossed in various civic functions/organizations is no surprise and hardly cons utes an endorsement of Ayers 60's radicalism.

[boo_radley]

Point out differences does not negativity make

[Mr. Peabody]

That being said, I am REALLY suspect of a few of his claims but most of all with the 10 year plan to remove dependency on Middle East oil. I know he didn't say foreign oil but its really the same thing and I see that as impossible. Maybe that will be his JFK man on the moon plan, however.

It's not the same thing. The percentage of oil we get from the Middle East doesn't even cons ute a majority of our foreign oil imports.

The United States is the largest oil importer in the world, bringing in 13.5 million barrels per day (mbd), which accounts for 63.5 percent of total U.S. daily conLuck_The_Fakers_sumption (20.6 mbd). [1] Oil from the Middle East (speLuck_The_Fakers_cifically, the Persian Gulf) accounts for 17 percent of U.S. oil imports, and this dependence is growing.

The facts: U.S. oil imports from the Middle East amount to about 22 percent of the 13.5 million barrels of oil imported daily, according to the Energy Information Administration. The nation's biggest suppliers outside the Middle East are Canada, Mexico and Venezuela, accounting for 40 percent of U.S. oil imports.

[MannyIsGod]

It's not the same thing. The percentage of oil we get from the Middle East doesn't even cons ute a majority of our foreign oil imports.

And how the are you going to make sure companies here don't buy it?

[Mr. Peabody]

And how the are you going to make sure companies here don't buy it?

Recommendations from The Heritage Foundation(conservative think tank).

* Diversify the sources of U.S. energy importsaway from the Persian Gulf, importing more oil from other sources such as West Africa and Eurasia, more natural gas from Canada and Mexico, and more liquid natural gas (LNG) from Russia and Africa. The Bush AdministraLuck_The_Fakers_tion should direct the Departments of State and Energy to provide economic aid incentives and technical assistance to non–Middle Eastern oil-producing countries to simplify regulations and speed up the licensing process for expanding and building new pipelines and refiners.

* Diversify the U.S. energy basketby expandLuck_The_Fakers_ing domestic production of oil and gas and by lifting the bureaucratic barriers to greater use of nuclear energy. The White House and Department of Energy should actively lobby Congress to expand domestic petroleum and gas production, such as in ANWR; to allow states to override the federal limitations on continental shelf exploration and exploitation; and to speed up licensing and construction of LNG terminals.[25]

* Encourage expanded production and imports of methanol and ethanol.Congress should work with the U.S. Department of Commerce to lift import tariffs on foreign ethanol proLuck_The_Fakers_duced from sugar cane.[26] The U.S. should also encourage research and development of marLuck_The_Fakers_ket-based alternatives and enhanced technoloLuck_The_Fakers_gies to help meet the nation’s future needs without dependence on foreign oil.

* Expand the Strategic Petroleum Reserve(SPR) and create a U.S. Strategic Gasoline Reserve. Currently, the U.S. SPR is sufficient for only 90 days. It needs to be expanded gradually to 180–250 days. The U.S. Department of Energy should cooperate with the European Union, China, India, and Japan to encourage all oil-importing countries to build up their strateLuck_The_Fakers_gic reserves to at least six months.

[ChumpDumper]

so he disucssed William Ayers? THe Black LIberation Theology ?

Why should he discuss things he has nothing to do with and have nothing to do with being president?

And are these seriously the only things you can bring up about him?

[MannyIsGod]

None of that other than the first one says anything about limiting companies from importing Middle East oil.

[Mr. Peabody]

None of that other than the first one says anything about limiting companies from importing Middle East oil.

Wall Street Journal says it's doable, but not necessarily the end-all to our petro-addiction

According to the latest government figures, the U.S. imports about 10 million barrels per day of crude oil. About 16% of that comes from Saudi Arabia and Kuwait; the rest comes from Canada, Mexico, Russia, Angola, and the like. Including Iraq, Middle East imports rise to 24%–but presumably the U.S. isn’t out to boycott the Iraqi oil industry, which is just now getting back on its feet.

So replacing 1.68 million barrels per day from the Middle East sounds doable in a decade. Simple measures like boosting fuel economy and driving less have already begun pushing down U.S. gasoline demand. But for that oil plan to work, President Obama would have to overcome one sticky truth: Oil-producing countries outside the Middle East are running out of steam. Mexico and Russia face declining fields. Canada is turning to tar sands, to the horror of environmentalists.

Of course, there’s Venezuela—usually included with Middle East as a petro-villain, but not last night. And there’s Brazil, basking in new offshore discoveries, provided the government’s plan to renationalize some of the Brazilian oil industry doesn’t throw a wrench in there.

Sen. Obama’s call for oil independence sounded strong in the speech. But the reality is it could just end up shifting America’s oil addiction from one supplier to another.

[I Love Me Some Me]

More of the same from a guy who talks a lot about change.

[101A]

Why do people always look at taxes as only being paid by individuals?

One key area he said he would raise taxes is in the corporate world by eliminating many of their loopholes to avoid paying taxes when it comes to big corporations.

Agreed; but he also, by not making his pledge to cut taxes on 100% of working people, indicated he would RAISE 5% of PEOPLE'S taxes. Those people currently pay 55% of the taxes; is that not enough?

[Mr. Peabody]

None of that other than the first one says anything about limiting companies from importing Middle East oil.

Yeah and the AP appears to support your opinion that it will be a nearly impossible task.

Even if U.S. oil demand were to decline significantly over the next decade with more fuel-efficient automobiles and a greater use of biofuels such as ethanol, the United States, which domestically pumps 5.6 million barrels of oil a day, will continue to rely heavily on imports for decades to come, most energy experts acknowledge, with little regard to where the oil comes from.

The United States uses about 21 million barrels of oil products a day. Even if the United States cuts oil demand by about 10 percent, equivalent to Persian Gulf oil imports, it is likely to continue to rely on oil imports and make no distinction as to where it is pumped, energy experts say.

[whottt]

I"m really suprised so many people thought it was great. I thought it was good, but not great. Maybe even very good. I think he had some great one liners in there and I think he absolutely needed to start attacking McCain. If he doesn't start addressing like this he won't have a chance of getting elected.

That being said, I am REALLY suspect of a few of his claims but most of all with the 10 year plan to remove dependency on Middle East oil. I know he didn't say foreign oil but its really the same thing and I see that as impossible. Maybe that will be his JFK man on the moon plan, however.

Going after McCain was the best thing he did in his speech IMO. The whole reason the Democrats are out of power is because everyone thinks they are pussies and are more concerned with being liked than actually running the country. He needed to do that...but McCain is a difficult target to go after, becuase his military legacy(and that of his family) demand he be treated with a certain level of respect...

I feel Obama actually pulled this off....and it was a difficult task.


Even better was the way he went after Usama...that was definitely needed...moreso than going after McCain. Democrats need to prove they'll get tough with someone other than Republicans.


So I liked those aspects of his speech.




My biggest problem was that he promised too many things to too many people. He's either really naive or really dishonest to make all those promises.

[angel_luv]

Yes, we must provide more ladders to success for young men who fall into lives of crime and despair. But we must also admit that programs alone can't replace parents; that government can't turn off the television and make a child do her homework; that fathers must take more responsibility for providing the love and guidance their children need.

Amen to that!

Also it would help greatly if more fathers cooperated with the mothers who want to take their kids to church and vice versa.

[MannyIsGod]

Amen to that!

Also it would help greatly if more fathers cooperated with the mothers who want to take their kids to church and vice versa.

Must...not...respond....

[angel_luv]

Must...not...respond....

You are highly intelligent and I am always interested in your opinion. Don't hold back on my account.

and in the words of Scripture hold firmly, without wavering, to the hope that we confess.

Amen- again.

[implacable44]

Why should he discuss things he has nothing to do with and have nothing to do with being president?

And are these seriously the only things you can bring up about him?

How does it not have anything to do with being President ? What he believes and who he associates with ? so... Hitler moved the crowd and I guess those folks should not have paid attention to what he believed or who he choosed to associate with ?