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    I think Hillary was left off the ticket for a couple of reasons. One, I think there are some issues out there will Bill Clinton and his Clinton Foundation that the Obama campaign was concerned about. Two, in light of the Edwards' story, I think the possibility that Bill had continued his philandering was an issue..

    Dude...no on really gave a about Clinton getting a blowjob...and the Republicans going after him on that issue accomplished nothing...difference is, the Republicans figured that out real quick...while the Democrats still haven't....hence the past 8 years.


    You guys have been so locked into opposing that you don't even know what you stand for anymore....just, the opposite.

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    Yeah...so actually she's got more experience than McCain and Biden even.
    I'm not a fan of McCain, but to say she has more experience than McCain is absolutely ridiculous and I refuse to play along. McCain's been on the national stage for 20+ years and was tackling national security and foreign policy issues while Palin was entering beauty pagents and auditioning for ESPN.

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    All this love for Palin just shows how much the Right hates their candidate, John McCain, and wants someone else.

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    Yeah...so actually she's got more experience than McCain and Biden even.


    She has more experience that either Biden or Obama in
    running something that has real responsibility connected to it. McCain has at least been "in command" of a naval squadron and had the responsibility of his actions.

    Now how much responsibility does a Senator have? None where he is actually held responsible. He can screw up his whole career which some have, and never be held to accountability. Obama has never been held to accountability. He just takes credit for something that turns out right. Kennedy wasn't held responsible for swimming off and leaving the young woman to drown. He is being treated as a damn celebrity by his party. So much for accountability in D.C.

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    On how to fix rising gas prices:

    Palin-"Come drill in Alaska."

    Obama-"Put more air in your tires."

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    On how to fix rising gas prices:

    Palin-"Come drill in Alaska."

    Obama-"Put more air in your tires."
    How much will drilling in Alaska lower gas prices?

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    She has more experience that either Biden or Obama in
    running something that has real responsibility connected to it. McCain has at least been "in command" of a naval squadron and had the responsibility of his actions.
    This is such a ridiculous argument.

    So, in other words, what makes McCain qualified to be POTUS is NOT the 20+ years he's spent in the Senate crafting national legislation and tackling national issues, but rather the time he spent 30 YEARS AGO leading a naval squadron?

    That's so ing idiotic.

    You cannot possibly believe this to be true.

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    How much will drilling in Alaska lower gas prices?
    A heck of a lot more than putting air in your tires will.

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    A heck of a lot more than putting air in your tires will.
    Citation please.

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    A heck of a lot more than putting air in your tires will.
    How much?

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    I understand your stance on Biden. I am not a Hillary fan and absolutely detested her during the primary, but after seeing her speech at the convention, I was having second thoughts about keeping her off the ticket.

    I think Hillary was left off the ticket for a couple of reasons. One, I think there are some issues out there will Bill Clinton and his Clinton Foundation that the Obama campaign was concerned about. Two, in light of the Edwards' story, I think the possibility that Bill had continued his philandering was an issue.

    Finally, I think Hillary mishandled her exit from the primaries. After Obama won Wisconsin, Hillary literally had no chance of winning the primary. Yet, not only did she continue her campaign, she started making comments that McCain was more qualified than Obama. This was AFTER it was apparent that Obama was going to be the nominee. It was a hail mary on her part and it didn't work out.


    Hillary can come off as a and that's something you guys were going to have to work around...


    But she's not as unlikeable as Cheney was...and she's not as unlikeable as Biden is.

    Furthermore, she was an extremely credible candidate, with better qualifications than Obama.





    You guys seriously need to stop being worried about being liked(by everyone other than Republicans) and taking conformist positions.


    Hint: W won the last election.

    IT's ing you guys up six ways from Sunday.


    PS: Bill Clinton remains an enormously charismatic politician...


    Pretty ignorant to lock out the most charismatic politician in either party, if you ask me. Especially when your whole premise is likeability...

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    McCain has at least been "in command" of a naval squadron and had the responsibility of his actions.
    Not the same....


    She's got more experience running a government of any kind, than he does...she's got more than Biden does, and yes, she's got more than Obama does.


    I am not saying it's a lot...I'm saying the other guys have none.

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    This is such a ridiculous argument.

    So, in other words, what makes McCain qualified to be POTUS is NOT the 20+ years he's spent in the Senate crafting national legislation and tackling national issues, but rather the time he spent 30 YEARS AGO leading a naval squadron?

    That's so ing idiotic.

    You cannot possibly believe this to be true.
    I am talking about holding positions where you are held accountable.
    Crafting legislation is a group project in most cases and done more by their aids than the legislatures themselves. You know that.

    Well, maybe Mayors aren't held accountable. I mean look what happen in NO and the mayor was not called on the carpet and even got re-elected.

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    She has more experience that either Biden or Obama in
    running something that has real responsibility connected to it. McCain has at least been "in command" of a naval squadron and had the responsibility of his actions.
    McCain crashed five navy jets at great taxpayer expense.

    /you wanted to go there

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    McCain crashed five navy jets at great taxpayer expense.

    /you wanted to go there
    Really, what did the boards say on what happened? You know accountability. And blame.

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    Not the same....


    She's got more experience running a government of any kind, than he does...she's got more than Biden does, and yes, she's got more than Obama does.


    I am not saying it's a lot...I'm saying the other guys have none.
    But Obama has all that experience organizing. And locating Asbestos.
    Doesn't that count?

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    I'm not a fan of McCain, but to say she has more experience than McCain is absolutely ridiculous and I refuse to play along. McCain's been on the national stage for 20+ years and was tackling national security and foreign policy issues while Palin was entering beauty pagents and auditioning for ESPN.

    # of city, state or federal governments McCain has been in charge of = 0
    # of city, state or federal governments Biden has been in charge of = 0
    # of city, state or federal governments Obama has been in charge of = 0
    # of city, state of federal governments Palin has been in charge of = 2

    Yeah they were small governments...but still bigger than any political governments the other 3 guys have ever run.


    Fact.



    Running a state is a lot more like running the country than being a Naval Commander, or a Law Professor...or a Senator.

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    Really, what did the boards say on what happened? You know accountability. And blame.
    He was 894 of 899 at Annapolis.

    His father was an admiral. So was his grandfather. That's how he got in.

    He, himself, never got close to admiral.

    Class members have said he's a nice guy but extremely angry and impulsive. He's the last person they'd ever want in office, but as a Senator he's okay.

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    I am talking about holding positions where you are held accountable.
    Crafting legislation is a group project in most cases and done more by their aids than the legislatures themselves. You know that.

    Well, maybe Mayors aren't held accountable. I mean look what happen in NO and the mayor was not called on the carpet and even got re-elected.
    I have a position where I am accountable. If I don't perform, I don't make money and can't pay my employees. That doesn't prepare me in the slightest to enter politics on a global level.

    Former mayor, Ed Garza presided over a city that has twice the population of Alaska and roughly the same GDP for eight years. Is he more qualified to be President than John McCain or Joe Biden? Would you send Ed Garza to negotiate with Putin over a McCain or Biden?

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    He was 894 of 899 at Annapolis.

    His father was an admiral. So was his grandfather. That's how he got in.

    He, himself, never got close to admiral.

    Class members have said he's a nice guy but extremely angry and impulsive. He's the last person they'd ever want in office, but as a Senator he's okay.
    Where did you place at Annapolis? Or would you even have the qualifications to be selected for Annapolis?

    I understand Obama's family had slaves at one time. On his Mother's side. Would that trump your Father being an admiral?

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nat...,3453027.story

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    And I love how everyone on the Obama side keeps throwing out the "community organizer" label in support of him. Can you define "Community organizer"?

    I can. Go around registering minorities to vote. Which I'm sure was more for his own selfish ambitions than anything. I guess anyone who's ever gone out and stumped for votes is now a "community organizer." So you can throw Palin under that column as well.

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    All this love for Palin just shows how much the Right hates their candidate, John McCain, and wants someone else.

    Dude...this chick is badass, and the more she talks the more people are going to like her. And even if this is her daughter's baby it won't make people dislike her. Neither will her stance on abortion.


    Yeah she's infinitely more likeable than McCain..or Biden. She's more likeable than Obama.

    She's got the same thing Bill Clinton has...only she's female.



    Seriously...she seems to be the kind of girl every man really wants. You can deny it, but that's the appeal she has...and it's going to be a huge boost for McCain.


    You know those cute little apple gymnasts that always capture the heart and soul of America?

    Mary Lou Retton, Shawn Johnson?

    Well the Republicans just got a VP with that same appeal...ya'll are ed.


    Female attraction trumps every other instinct a man has...and as a man you know it.




    PS: Biden may get her on foreign relations...but she's going to own his ass on energy.

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    # of city, state or federal governments McCain has been in charge of = 0
    # of city, state or federal governments Biden has been in charge of = 0
    # of city, state or federal governments Obama has been in charge of = 0
    # of city, state of federal governments Palin has been in charge of = 2

    Yeah they were small governments...but still bigger than any political governments the other 3 guys have ever run.

    Fact.

    Running a state is a lot more like running the country than being a Naval Commander, or a Law Professor...or a Senator.
    Even assuming, arguendo, she has more experience, does she have the knowledge necessary to do it? She admittedly has never taken an interest in foreign policy or national security issues.

    Generic experience is not the be all, end all for success. Again, I operate a business that has been more and more profitable as I've operated it. I now have two employees (started with none) and may hire another in the near future. This experience I have does not qualify me to run AT&T. I would think that a recent business graduate who has studied the telecommunications industry would be far more qualified than I would. True, I've operated a business, but not on that scale. And the issues I've faced are not comparable to the issues AT&T faces. My experience as an executive, as a business owner, would give me absolutely no insight on how to handle a much larger and more complex enterprise.

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    Even assuming, arguendo, she has more experience, does she have the knowledge necessary to do it? She admittedly has never taken an interest in foreign policy or national security issues.
    #1. At least she's honest.
    #2. She's likeable...that's the #1 foreign policy skill there is. It's what W lacks. Incidentally...it's also what Biden lacks which is why his foreign policy experience means jack .
    #3. Her nickname was barracuda, you don't get that name without being a hardass at some point.








    Generic experience is not the be all, end all for success. Again, I operate a business that has been more and more profitable as I've operated it. I now have two employees (started with none) and may hire another in the near future. This experience I have does not qualify me to run AT&T. I would think that a recent business graduate who has studied the telecommunications industry would be far more qualified than I would. True, I've operated a business, but not on that scale. And the issues I've faced are not comparable to the issues AT&T faces. My experience as an executive, as a business owner, would give me absolutely no insight on how to handle a much larger and more complex enterprise.
    I'd say the state of Alaska is more complex than you are giving it credit for...it's outside of the continental United States, it's economy is entirely rooted in industry that benefits the rest of the United States.


    Honestly...you guys aren't going to get her on foreign policy, energy, economics or a lack of experience...


    Her weakness is domestic social issues, that's what she has no experience with....

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    The #1 issue she is qualified to deal with based on her background is the Energy Crunch...and based on her background, she's more qualified than anyone else in this campaign...

    Now you tell me, is that a major issue in this election?



    She's going to rip Biden(and McCain for that matter) a new hole on Anwar...she's been there, she lives there.

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