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    I like her personality better than McCain's too. As I've stated, I think she has a compelling story; one that will play well with women. I don't think she's nearly as qualified as McCain, Biden, or even Obama, but we could debate that for days (and I think we have) and get nowhere.

    I understand the pick. It's high risk/high reward for McCain. We'll see how it plays out.

    Depends on what you are talking about when you say qualified...

    Qualified for what?

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    another prediction: get the out of dodge neo-cons you are done
    A nervous laugh from a person in deep denial.

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    So this is her second kid?

    All Palin has to do is cry when she talks about it. Crisis over.

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    Depends on what you are talking about when you say qualified...

    Qualified for what?
    To assume the office of the presidency.

    Again, I know we disagree on this issue and I don't know that we will reconcile those differences of opinion.

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    To assume the office of the presidency.

    Again, I know we disagree on this issue and I don't know that we will reconcile those differences of opinion.


    Oh well if qualifications to assume the office of the Presidency are your primary concern, then you should be voting for McCain...not Obama.

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    This is where you bring up that qualifications aren't important to you but if they were...Presidential Candidate Obama's made one more trip to Iraq than Vice Presidential Candidate Palin has...

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    Depends on what you are talking about when you say qualified...

    Qualified for what?
    I think the key difference is that I think education and job experience are key aspects to being qualified. Others think that only executive experience (of any type) should matter (I'm not necessarily including you in that category).

    So we can argue about who has more "experience" or is more qualified, but until we can come to an agreement about what type of experience should matter, the argument is an exercise in futility. I do appreciate the insight though.

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    Bottomline about all of this is that Obama had one thing going for him...he's likeable. Guess what, he's not as likeable as Palin is...


    It's really just that simple...


    And I consider that he is a Harvard educated lawyer a negative BTW...there is no shortage of those in Washington DC...they don't exactly make it a better place if you know what I mean.

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    It's a 17 year-old girl going through an unplanned pregnancy in front of the national media.

    This shouldn't be politicized.

    But it's what jackasses like boutons do best, is it any surprise?

    It's amazing, Clinton was running, and Demos insisted Chelsea should be hands off as far as any attacks go.

    Here we are a couple of years later, and the libs will use anything they can to protect the Chosen One.

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    Bottomline about all of this is that Obama had one thing going for him...he's likeable. Guess what, he's not as likeable as Palin is...


    It's really just that simple...


    And I consider that he is a Harvard educated lawyer a negative BTW...there is no shortage of those in Washington DC...they don't exactly make it a better place if you know what I mean.
    This is where you say his advantage in foreign policy is simply that he is likeable to foreign leaders, but Palin is more likeable than him.

    Therefore she is a better foreign leader.

    Then we point out he is on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and reached across the isle to pen legislation on foreign matters.

    Then I think you say something about how close Alaska and Russia are. And they've been intertwined forever, maybe even so close Alaska is still Russian.

    Then we say that section of Siberia is one of the emptiest quarters in the world. As is Alaska.

    And that Boston, Mass., is closer to Moscow than Juneau is.

    Then you say something about Obama being a secrit mosslem and was 'raised in a madrassah' and is a .

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    I think the key difference is that I think education and job experience are key aspects to being qualified. Others think that only executive experience (of any type) should matter (I'm not necessarily including you in that category).

    So we can argue about who has more "experience" or is more qualified, but until we can come to an agreement about what type of experience should matter, the argument is an exercise in futility. I do appreciate the insight though.
    I think the key difference is that you don't have a leg to stand on...

    First and foremost being because you are comparing a VP to a P. And it gets more flawed from there...


    Why don't you just simply say the truth...you like Democrats better, and you are voting for Obama because you like him.



    It's more logical that way...

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    Oh well if qualifications to assume the office of the Presidency are your primary concern, then you should be voting for McCain...not Obama.
    I agree that McCain is qualified. I've never said that he wasn't. In fact, I argued against those who asserted that Palin somehow has more qualifications that he does. I think that such an argument is ridiculous. I also think that Obama is qualified, given his education and prior job experience.

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    Bottomline about all of this is that Obama had one thing going for him...he's likeable. Guess what, he's not as likeable as Palin is...
    Regarding Palin's likeability;

    The McCain campaign raised more than $10 million in the two and a half days after Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was named as the vice presidential running mate, bringing the total raised in the month of August to more than $47 million, campaign officials tell ABC News.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5700022&page=1

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    Gender and race "should" be non-factors.
    This coming from a poster who has played the race card on here a couple of times over anyone having the audacity to question or not get down on their knees for Obama.

    Classic.

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    I think the key difference is that you don't have a leg to stand on...

    First and foremost being because you are comparing a VP to a P. And it gets more flawed from there...


    Why don't you just simply say the truth...you like Democrats better, and you are voting for Obama because you like him.



    It's more logical that way...
    I do like Democrats better. I am a secular progressive (as O'Reilly would say). I've never denied that. If you've seen any of my posts, you'd see that it's quite evident. I do think the argument of you can't hold a VP candidate up to the same criteria you would a P candidate is questionable. What do you do if/when the VP has to assume the role of P? Do you make apologies and claim "Well, we honestly never thought she'd have to do this?". And again, I wasn't comparing her directly to Obama. I compared her to the three others on the national ticket.

    I like her personality better than McCain's too. As I've stated, I think she has a compelling story; one that will play well with women. I don't think she's nearly as qualified as McCain, Biden, or even Obama, but we could debate that for days (and I think we have) and get nowhere.

    I understand the pick. It's high risk/high reward for McCain. We'll see how it plays out.

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    Anyway...it's pretty sad to see that guys like Mr. Dio and CBF would call a girl with Native American blood in her a ...
    I never called her a i was playing devils advocate

    Personally i dont think she's a i just think its laughable to think some of the religious right won't be further pushed away from the ticket because of this.

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    Remember when Barack Obama gave that speech when he accepted the Democratic nomination? Man that seems like forever ago...

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    Regarding Palin's likeability;
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    In an office park across from the city-size Mall of America in Bloomington - the country's largest retail center - GOP pollster Frank Luntz was holed up with 24 undecided Midwestern voters as part of an American Association of Retired Persons focus group to gauge the mood on issues and candidates as the convention is about to begin.

    "You're representative of Middle America," he told them. "You're supposed to be Middle America."

    Tough Midwest crowd

    Luntz had asked the group - which included nurses, teachers and retirees - to react on a "second-by-second basis" to campaign ads and the statements of presidential and vice presidential nominees.

    Voters in Luntz's focus group here, by a more than 2-to-1 ratio, were negative on Palin, McCain's VP pick. Though they expressed respect for the Alaska governor and interest and admiration in her life story, they said she is not experienced enough for the office.

    Luntz said his gathering underscores that Midwest voters could be a tough sell to both Republicans and Democrats.

    Indeed, the mood of Midwest voters appears to be one of deep concern - for the future, on the economy, on energy - and some are even grim.

    Nearly all raised their hands when asked if the country is in a recession.

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    Um...the sexist ones wre the liberals in this election. The Democrats and Obama were the ones trashing Hillary...not McCain.
    laughable
    I find it hard to believe alabama red necks selling tshirts with sexist slogans were all liberal. Etc, Etc. The sexism goes across the board.

    You make it sound like the bad things Obama supporters say about Hilary weren't also said by Repubs, and the bad things Hilary supporters said about Obama weren't also said by Repubs.

    They were. You talk of nbadan, boutons, etc, how bout tpark, gtown, etc.

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    "This shouldn't be politicized."

    Nor should sex between consulting adults.

    You really think the Repugs wouldn't run with this like freight train if a Dem candidate's under-aged kid came up pregnant?

    When the non-Repugs reflect the Repug slime/slander tactics back at the Repugs, the Repug whine like the little es they are.

    McJerk doesn't even know Palin, met her once before taking her at veep. Shows his great care in large decision-making.

    She was not vetted at all. She had the qualifications only as bait for McJerk's targeted cons uencies: radical-right, evangelical, pro-BigOil, pro-drill-all-over-Alaska, creationist, anti-scientific, etc. Experience and competence need not apply. epitomized by: "You're Doing a Heckuva Job, Brownie"

    As always with the Repugs, ideology and get-elected-at-any-cost by any slime/slander tactics reigns before competence and real qualifications.
    The point is that if you find certain types of behavior slimy and slanderous,
    maybe it would be better to rise above them and improve on them, rather than imitating them to perfection, which gives the impression that maybe you view those characteristics as somehow admirable since you've chosen to adopt them.

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    Frank Luntz was holed up with 24 undecided Midwestern voters
    A whole 24 people? Wow, that's a credible sample for a Country of 300,000,000.

    That amounts to nothing more than a tainted whisper, and you have the audacity to post that in response to the $10.5 million in 2 days, the Palin selection brought into the McCain campaign?

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    Who cares this is a non story. She is doing the right thing.

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    Personally i dont think she's a i just think its laughable to think some of the religious right won't be further pushed away from the ticket because of this.
    Some of them will be...good for the Republicans if they get rid of some of the heads.

    You guys are the ones saying McCain is the same as Bush...

    The problem is the Democrats are comprised entirely of those sorts of heads...and they have them in leadership positions.

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    They were. You talk of nbadan, boutons, etc, how bout tpark, gtown, etc.
    TPark hardly posts in the political forum and no one knows what gtown is tallking about half the ing time...I had a like a 10 page flame war with gtown in this forum.


    It's laughable that you would somehow insinuate that I agree with them or am allied with them...ask them if they think that.




    Meanwhile, boutons and Nbadan never shut the up...never.
    And that is typical of the Democrat party.

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