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Every time Palin opens her mouth a baby Jesus dies...
http://current.com/items/89263348_palin_and_her_church
Pray for the pipeline! Iraq = 'task from God'
Can't wait for the VP debate...
Every time Palin opens her mouth a baby Jesus dies...
http://current.com/items/89263348_palin_and_her_church
Holy shhhh
Drill for God's will
Palin = President of the United States 2013.
That makes two of us.
I'll mourn with you after they're finished.
To Sarah! You will be missed.
I was a religious whack-job too.
Sincerely,
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
no doubt.....Palin is like a gift to the Democrats wrapped in a nice pretty package...
Jewish voters may be wary of Palin
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.htmlST. PAUL, Minn. — Barack Obama has struggled for 18 months to lock down the support of a traditionally Democratic group, Jewish voters.
In the past week, John McCain may have helped Obama with his Jewish problem by choosing Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate.
McCain and Obama are battling over a portion of the Jewish community: older, conservative Democrats, largely in South Florida, some of whom backed Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary. McCain’s secular, hawkish credentials appeal to many in that group, who are skeptical of Obama’s relatively short record and have been deluged with rumors about his pro-Palestinian leanings.
But Democrats hope Palin’s social conservatism, her paper-thin record on Israel, and — perhaps most importantly — her cultural roots in evangelical Christianity may be a major turnoff to Jewish voters, just as Republicans have tried to reach women disappointed that Obama didn’t choose Hillary Clinton,
Democrats have already begun to to capitalize on the choice of Palin — over Jewish Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman — in South Florida and elsewhere. A prominent Obama backer, Florida Rep. Robert Wexler, has attacked Palin for appearing at a 1999 event with Pat Buchanan — who has attacked the influence of the Israeli lobby in America. And the same factors that are rallying the evangelical base to Palin may push away the Jews.
“There is almost always an inverse proportion between a candidate's popularity among conservative Christians and secular Jews,” said Jeff Ballabon, a Republican lobbyist long active in Jewish politics who supports McCain.
An illustration of that gap came just two weeks ago, when Palin’s church, the Wasilla Bible Church, gave its pulpit over to a figure viewed with deep hostility by many Jewish organizations: David Brickner, the executive director of Jews for Jesus.
Palin’s pastor, Larry Kroon, introduced Brickner on Aug. 17, according to a transcript of the sermon on the church’s website.
“He’s a leader of Jews for Jesus, a ministry that is out on the leading edge in a pressing, demanding area of witnessing and evangelism,” Kroon said.
Brickner then explained that Jesus and his disciples were themselves Jewish.
“The Jewish community, in particular, has a difficult time understanding this reality,” he said.
Brickner’s mission has drawn wide criticism from the organized Jewish community, and the Anti-Defamation League accused them in a report of “targeting Jews for conversion with subterfuge and deception.”
Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.
"Judgment is very real and we see it played out on the pages of the newspapers and on the television. It's very real. When [Brickner's son] was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment — you can't miss it."
Palin was in church that day, Kroon said, though he cautioned against attributing Brickner’s views to her.
The executive director of the National Jewish Democratic Council, Ira Forman, cited the “cultural distance” between Palin and almost all American Jews.
“She’s totally out of step with the American Jewish community,” he said. “She is against reproductive freedom – even against abortion in the case of rape and incest. She has said that climate change is not man-made. She has said that she would favor teaching creationism in the schools. These are all way, way, way outside the mainstream.”
Huffington Post on Tuesday posted portions of Palin speaking at her former church, a politically conservative Assemblies of God congregation, in which she suggested that an Alaska pipeline plan reflects God’s will.
A spokesman for McCain and Palin, Michael Goldfarb, dismissed the notion that Palin would bring a Jewish problem.
“If this is going to be about who was at church on the day of which sermon, that’s not going to be an argument that the Obama campaign is going to win,” he said, a reference to Obama’s controversial former pastor, Jeremiah Wright.
“This woman has been on the national stage for all of four days – of course it’s going to take some time for people to get a sense of what her views are on some things,” Goldfarb said. “Once she’s had a chance to make her positions clear on these issues, the Jewish community is going to be very, very comfortable with her.”
In the meantime, however, there’s simply little information available about Palin’s views. Two of Palin’s prominent Alaska Jewish allies, Rabbi Joseph Greenberg and businessman Terry Gorlick, told Politico they consider her a friend of the Jews. But they said they’d never heard her discuss Middle East policy in detail and that she’d never visited Israel, though they cited a boilerplate Alaska-Israel friendship resolution she signed.
Her thin record was underscored when the staunchly loyal Republican Jewish Coalition e-mailed its members evidence of her support for Israel: a video in which a small Israeli flag can be seen poking out from behind a drape.
"I think it speaks volumes that she keeps an Israeli flag on the wall of her office," the group's executive director, Matt Brooks, told Politico in an e-mail. "It clearly shows what's in her heart.”
Obama’s Jewish allies, meanwhile, are doing their best to fill that gap with unsettling information, an effort that in some ways mirrors the overt and covert campaigns against Obama in that community.
“My cons uents are bewildered by Senator McCain’s pick and they just don’t understand it,” said Wexler, the Florida Democrat, citing the report that Palin had gone to a Buchanan event, and Buchanan’s “frightening views.”
Also Tuesday, a new Jewish Democratic group, JewsVote.org, sent out an email under the heading “Who is Sarah Palin?” an echo of conspiratorial anti-Obama emails that have criss-crossed the Jewish community.
“Given her record as a hard-right Christian conservative, her embrace of Pat Buchanan, her praise of Ron Paul, and her lack of credentials on foreign affairs, it is likely that her selection would raise serious red flags about the McCain/Palin ticket among Jewish swing voters,” they wrote, asking their members to send out their own anti-Palin emails.
McCain aide Goldfarb called the email “unbelievably cynical—fighting smears with smears.” Gallup and other polls conducted over the summer showed Obama beating McCain by a roughly two-to-one margin among Jewish voters - a comfortable lead, but narrower than John Kerry's and Al Gore's wins among Jewish voters in the last two elections.
Tuesday, both sides scrambled to play on the changed turf of the Jewish vote. Palin, shepherded by Lieberman, introduced herself to leaders of the pro-Israel lobby AIPAC in St. Paul on. Tuesday.
"We had a good productive discussion on the importance of the U.S.-Israel relationship, and we were pleased that Gov. Palin expressed her deep, personal, and lifelong commitment to the safety and well-being of Israel," AIPAC spokesman Josh Block said. “AIPAC is pleased that both parties have selected four pro-Israel candidates.”
Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.), meanwhile, campaigned through the Jewish heartland of South Florida, showing off his cultural familiarity, dropping Yiddish words into his talk to a crowd of hundreds at a retirement community.
"I want to remind those of you who don't know me — and those of you who do know me — what my record has been. It has been unstinting in the defense and support of Israel," he said.
It was a contrast Wexler said he relished.
“There’s just no relationship, there’s no comfort, there’s no natural affinity with Palin,” he said. “There is with Joe Biden.”
Oh God...why didn't I put the pieces together...of course, this is Hagee's gang...
Just for the record....there's nothing wrong with being religious......but don't bring up religion with things like drilling for oil and as an excuse that God made Cheney go to war in Iraq.....that's just stupid...
Religious people do not belong in office.
There is a separation of church and state for a reason.
Even the fore fathers didn't want stupid ass christians in office.
did you really read this. it wasn't her pastor. this guy was there one time. not there one time for 20 years.
NEXT!!!!
Uh the forefathers were Christians dumbass.
Read the cons ution and and the Declaration of Independance.
John Adams was a frequent church goer as well.
You act as if the founding fathers were freaking atheists.
The founding father's "seperation" was worded that there would be no "official" church, ala the Church of England.
They were Christian but never wanted to put all of their beliefs on the people. I know they weren't athiests but they knew that they can not have government officals push their beliefs on the population.
And just because their rhetoric worked back then doesn't mean that the "Christian" rhetoric would work now. Government officials should place absolute zero emphasis on religion simply because our country isn't based on a single religion. Government officials should only base policy on the people's wishses not their own person beliefs. I think that's what a true democracy is about.
You can't run a country on polls. Because thats essentially what your saying. "Whatever the people want"Government officials should only base policy on the people's wishses not their own person beliefs. I think that's what a true democracy is about.
Well you can't run a country like that. You run a country on people you believe fit your beliefs and how they would do in that job. Not what the mob majority wants.
First you contradict yourself...
...and, second, this isn't a democracy. I suggest you take T Park's advice and read some of our founding do ents and some of the founders' speeches and papers. You might find them illuminating.
The founding fathers constantly invoked God, asked for His intercession, and guidance while in office.
Swearing of oath on the bible.The founding fathers constantly invoked God, asked for His intercession, and guidance while in office.
In god we trust on the national currency.
Yeah, they didn't want god at all invoked in this country.
While I am flattered, I don't think I could ever agree with that in full confidence.I suggest you take T Park's advice
I was just referring to that specific advice.
Point taken.
Once again, as I stated in other posts, the First Amendment only applied to the federal government and not the states. Three states had state churches with Connecticut having one until 1818.
The first amendment was linked to the states only after several states were denied representation in Congress unless they ratified the 14th amendment. Even then Christian influence on the state only waned after Supreme Court rulings went against them starting in 1947 in Everson v. Board of Education.
The depth of your ignorance is astounding.
Last edited by efrem1; 09-04-2008 at 08:29 AM.
Geez do some research before spouting junk in this forum....
Some founding fathers often related their anti-organized church leanings in their speeches and correspondence, including George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson (who created the "Jefferson Bible"), and Benjamin Franklin....
WikipediaIn correspondence with John Adams, Jefferson wrote that "The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills[citation needed] ." In yet another letter, to José Correia da Serra, dated April 11, 1820, Jefferson wrote that: "Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live
The Palin - Hagee connection comes up again...
Washinton PostSarah Palin's now famous "lipstick" joke from her acceptance speech Wednesday night is generating lots of buzz in Democratic circles and the liberal blogosphere. Not because of how funny it was, but because of its similarity to another (in)famous one-liner delivered by controversial evangelical pastor John Hagee.
Palin, who, like Hagee, is an evangelical Christian, had Republicans inside St. Paul's Xcel Energy Center doubled over laughing when she said, "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick."
Hagee, in his book "What Every Man Wants in a Woman," wrote, "Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick."
And remember, Hagee also called the Catholic Church "the great " and suggested in a sermon that the Holocaust was God's will. His last faux pas, in which he called Hitler a "hunter," forced John McCain to reject Hagee's endorsement of the GOP presidential candidate.
A Democratic operative who asked to remain anonymous alerted us to the striking similarity between Hagee's joke and Palin's. And we see that Chris Rodda was first to write it on her Talk to Action blog.
The anti religous views were not unanimous. The Library of Congress trumps Wikipedia:
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel05.html
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