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I wouldn't say that was a biggie or anything.
The thing about NOW, is that although it came into being during the era of women's liberation, is that it is just an organization of feminists. Not say like the ACLU who pick up causes and rally for victims. It's a multi-issue organization that is against ALL oppression, not just against women. Of course the focus on women comes from pushing for cons utional equality in the issues of racism, reproductive freedom, sexual and domestic violence, which women are the most vulnerable to. Palin fits well with everything they stand for, except reproductive freedom.
I wouldn't say that was a biggie or anything.
Exactly. And in another thread someone said something about Palin bringing in "single issue" female voters. Unfortunately for the Repubs, reproductive freedom is the single issue.
Why should whottt or Tpark take anything you say seriously? I mean, what the do you know about women?
No, I'm pretty sure Yonivore knows more about this stuff than you. "Special Needs Children" has always been the defining issue for women in general and feminists in particular.
FYI, the great "Champion of Special Needs Children" slashed the school budget for special needs kids by 62% as Governor.
Last edited by PixelPusher; 09-04-2008 at 03:09 AM.
If she's that worried about ROE VS Wade she's wasn't going to vote Republican anyway.
She never said anything about her personal views.
She explained why an organization like NOW isnt right behind a pro-life candidate like Palin.
That was it.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/if
If it's too complex I can start with "a" or something like that.
edit: I'm not saying it's too complex.
It's simply amazing how much conversation this woman is generating.
She gave a fantastic speech that significantly rallied the base.
I personally believe the majority of Democrats are simply jealous that their convention was unable to generate the same level of enthusiasm.
See that's the thing. Every time anyone mentions the pro-choice/pro-life thing, you start going on about Roe vs. Wade. That doesn't even matter here. I myself told you a few days ago that anything in this campaign that affects RvW or the Supreme Court is a stretch. A biiig stretch. That argument is NEVER going to be resolved. One camp is fighting for a percieved "human right" the other is fighting for a percieved "civil right"---2 totally different things. A pro-choice female will find it difficult to vote for her because they aren't even on the same page---not because of RvW or because she's a Republican. Keep in mind, I'm only talking about pro-choice women, not women in general.
She is a very good speaker. She could even make a crowd cheer for torture.
Yes. I'm sure she decided to keep her baby knowing he would have down syndrome because she knew he'd come in handy for photo ops. Give me a break.
You are truly disgusting.
Are you capable of coming up with an argument that doesn't include the words " ," "Re ," etc?
BINGO...BINGO...BINGO! Why is it surprising that liberals didn't find her to be motivating? Why are they even commenting? Could it be that they are worried? The only liberal on here that has been fair is Joe Chalupa!
"was unable to generate the same level of enthusiasm."
WTF? the Repug convention was forced to be moribund with the losers like Thompson and Giuliani boring them to death with head speeches, and the convention was totally distracted by all the FACTS of Palin's minuscule public service and knocked-up private life. Palin is obviously more stimutating than all the old white guys, including the wooden McSame, bundled together.
There was no enthusiasm last week in Denver?
There's no enthusiasm in the Dem grass roots organization that even the Repugs admit finds no equivalent on their side?
The Repugs are not excited by McSame, Repug voter registration is way down vs Dems and vs 00 and 04. The Repug power brokers and the "Christian" supremacists are not really behind McSame, tried to defeat him with the fake and weak Romney, and were forced to accept McSame. Palin is the anti-choice, anti-science, pro-earmark, pro-govt-abusing, pro-thin-skinned-vindictiveness candidate. THAT's what really excites the Repug and "Christian" supremacist base.
Joe Biden has a tough, tough job ahead of him!!
Here's an issue of concern (and I think Palin was very good last night): Obama's convention not only rallied the base, but expanded his audience. Hugely. And won converts from undecideds, if you believe the majority of the polling that followed. Palin's speech will be extremely well-received by conservatives. But how will it be received by moderate women in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, etc.? I'm not certain that's where her speech was aimed, and that would be my only concern if I were running that campaign.
I'm not looking to start some partisan argument, just want to see if people think it will win over with that cons uency?
I'm talking explicitly about Pro-Choice Feminists...a great many of them. Not NOW...but real women, that actually work campaigns.
Would you like a link to a board whose membership includes a bunch of feminists that are going to vote for her?
www.hillaryclintonforums.net
Not only they are going to vote for McCain...many of them are going to volunteer to work for McCain's campaign, just like they did for Hillary. I'd imagine it's pretty much them that that were responsible for the 10 million in donations in the two days immediately following McCain's announcement.
Seems a bunch of them didn't really appreciate being called , , and etc. at the DNC and other rallies for wearing their Hillary shirts.
The general impression I get is that they'd vote for Bobby Riggs for President right about now...and if they had a choice between appointing Obama or Jerry Falwell Chief Justice of the Supreme Court...Falwell would get the nod.
Among the other things that have pissed them off
1. Being told only unintelligent women would vote for Palin.
2. Being told that it's not important that she's a woman.
3. Family and kid attacks. And they love the baby. And her 17 year old daughter getting put through the ringer really pissed them off.
4. That Hilary didn't get the VP nomination.
On that forum there are threads with a huge collective "Shut your stupid hole" to Oprah and Barbara Streisand. And they are cheering Sean Hannity.
But beyond all that...they're extremely pissed off at NOW.
I didn't come up with the information that Palin is against anti-abortion legislation, and endorses birth control...
They did.
The Lesbians are pretty impressed with her veto on the gay rights thing...seems to them the Democrats just pay lipservice to gay rights anyway.
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That speech pissed me off for two reasons.
1) She came off as this smug, I'm better than you woman. But thats typical elitism, just annoys the living out of me. At least try to make it a little less obvious. That was probably the most sarcastic political speech I've seen in a while.
2) Most importantly, she basically insulted not only Obama, but community organizers. I think this alone is going to come back to haunt the Republicans. Supposedly there are a ton of angry people who are now energized because of this line. You can insult a candidate and get away with it. But to insult a fairly large bloc of voters, to just absolutely throw it in their face and say what they do is virtually useless, thats going to hurt in the long run.
I think she put the dimms on notice that they have a problem. She speaks much better than Obama and Biden, hehehehehehe. Poor guy, Obama may dump him. I can see his and his party minds now. Why, why did we pick foot in mouth Biden, she will make mince meat of him.
I can understand your gloating but no way does she speak better than Obama and you have to consider the crowd she was speaking to. I give her props but you also have to see it with an open mind...if that is possible. I'll take Joe Biden's foreign policy knowledge over hers any day of the week and if you can't acknowledge that than you are nothing but a partisan hack.
and there you have it.
It's going to be interesting. Obama is a great speaker, but Palin ain't chopped liver. Though Biden's foreign policy knowledge is most likely greater than Palin's I would say McCain's is greater than Obama's as well. I think it will be a close race.
Those would be your words, not mine. I can't make that claim. However, I really haven't heard much about the Democratic Convention since John McCain made Palin his choice as Vice President.
I'm merely observing the amount of enthusiasm this woman is creating. I can't imagine why you would take offense to my observation.
I have yet to give you my personal opinion of the woman. I am fully aware of that particular population of women you are talking about here (even though the link isn't working for me right now: I'll try again) and I share many of their opinions. I've never said feminists, women, pro choice or whatever would never vote for her. The only point I've tried to make is about the monumentous task the Repubs have in swaying feminists, pro-choice, and every day kind of women to their side. That fraction of Hilary Clinton supporters does not bag the victory.
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