McCain hits a home run

[T Park]

My beef isn't with his military service. That is definitely commendable.

My lack of respect for McCain more comes from the fact that he cheated on and then left his handicapped wife to marry a rich chick who could further his political aspirations. That was a lame move and it makes me not believe that he's seeking the presidency for any reasons other than that has been his ultimate goal for the last 40 years.

That said, all politicians are dirty so it's hard to either be too surprised or too put off.

In that respect, I agree.

[ducks]

By the way...

Any non-idiot can tell Obama's economic plan is not going to work.


You tax the corporations and they will move those companies out of this country. Or they will move the jobs out of this country. Exactly what will he be taxing then? What's left?

Those companies are in the business of making money...they are not going to get jacked willingly.


The ultra rich people will just use loops holes(the loopholes that all the ultra rich Democrats will put in there) to avoid the tax, and the middle class is going to take it up the ass..


Don't get me wrong...I will benefit from Obama's tax plan...but the country won't.


And I still want to know how Obama's going to get gas prices lower....

yep heinz is already making ketchup in Mexico

[timvp]

Democrats used harsh rhetoric in Denver to attack GOP policies and McCain's stands on issues.

Here is what we just heard this week in St. Paul. I could not believe my ears when I heard the following things:

- The former mayor of New York City using "cosmopolitan" as a pejorative

- Republicans talking up a war most people don't like and most of the rest couldn't care less about.


- Chants of "zero, zero, zero" from Republicans, apparently digging Obama on his meteoric rise in politics. This after Democrats went out of their way to pay respect to McCain's sacrifice and public career and Obama personally defended Palin's credentials and boundaries.


- Teen pregnancy being exalted and a good education mocked by the party that used to pride itself on values.


- Community service being demeaned in the most cruel and base way imaginable. As a person who has done community service before and not because I had to, I was saddened and repulsed.


- A VP candidate promising to be "a friend to families with special needs children" while her own special-needs baby was handed off to a seven-year-old (and no, the father didn't step up to hold the baby).


- Civil rights--a proud American tradition--being turned into nothing more into a nasty laugh line by a major party candidate. I bet McCain's captors never "read him his rights" either.


- A nineteen-year-old future soldier identified to the world as the child of a prominent political figure. I didn't appreciate that when Biden did it either.


- Hockey moms being called pit bulls with lipstick. That stuff may play in Peoria, but it's a sexist remark that should be beneath a major party candidate.


- Republicans talking out of one side of their mouth about how waterboarding isn't torture while on the other side they manage to give us every last detail of McCain's ordeal in Hanoi without using the word.


- Republicans somehow taking up the mantle for "real change" after their party has been in power for 6 of the last 8 years and held the presidency all that time. Better late than never, I guess.



This was jaw-dropping, and not in a good way. I was for Obama all along, and the Democrats certainly used harsh rhetoric of their own in Denver, but it was aimed squarely at GOP policies and McCain's stances on the issues.


It's one thing to say that Obama's resume doesn't qualify him to be President, but it's another to look down on and demean his work with the indigent in Chicago, especially when he probably turned down an extremely lucrative career in corporate law in order to do so. There seemed to be something ugly and personal about the way they were attacking Obama, and I think it will backfire.

And you think its liberals and Democrats who are getting ugly? I don't care about Palin's personal family business. What people write on DailyKos or whatever has nothing to do with me or Obama. I don't like what I know of her record in Alaska, and her speech last night was petty and small for somebody accepting a major party nomination for VP.

I liked this better the first time I read it, Effie.

http://letters.salon.com/news/featur...9df3963d0.html

[tlongII]

My beef isn't with his military service. That is definitely commendable.

My lack of respect for McCain more comes from the fact that he cheated on and then left his handicapped wife to marry a rich chick who could further his political aspirations. That was a lame move and it makes me not believe that he's seeking the presidency for any reasons other than that has been his ultimate goal for the last 40 years.

That said, all politicians are dirty so it's hard to either be too surprised or too put off.

Why do you think Barack married Mic e?

[T Park]

salon.com

theres a very independent and free thinking periodicle.

[timvp]

Why do you think Barack married Mic e?

So his kids could jump high.

[Nbadan]

In case your wondering if McCain is a Neocon Puppet...

[tlongII]

So his kids could jump high.

I'm sure the fact that her father is well connected in the Chicago political scene had nothing to do with it.

[Cry Havoc]

McCain doesn't like to talk about his Vietnam experience...he's spent most of his career not talking it...

It may not matter to you guys what the guy went through, but it matters to me. He's not full of about it. And you guys can't go after him like you did Bush...he's a vet. His son served in Iraq, his entire family has served this country.

I don't know why ya'll resent that so much...but it's not impressing me.


You're a bunch of cynical whining es...

In fact you seem jealous.

you. My dad was a combat vet. He's killed people, some of them children, because his country ordered him to. Don't come in here high and mighty like we've never had to deal with war in our families. To this day my dad struggles with PTSD from the Vietnam war.

He says he would never go to another war again. In his words, "It is a beyond comprehension."

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone.

It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.

This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.

----

I hate war as only a soldier who has lived it can, only as one who has seen its brutality, its futility, its stupidity.

- Former President Dwight D. Eisenhower
4 Star General
Commander, United States Armed forces

That's the only thing that needs to be said about war.

How does McCain feel about war? Well someone asked him and his reply was, "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran." He then laughed.

The differences between a real man and the person that claims "there will be more wars" could NOT be more definite and vast.

[ducks]

In the battleground state of Virginia , for example, Glenn Druckenbrod said he was heading to the local Republican headquarters Thursday to volunteer after watching Palin's speech.

"As a conservative, I've been frustrated since 1988 that we have been lacking an effective communicator," said Druckenbrod, a doctor from Fairfax Station , a suburb of Washington .

"We had George H.W. Bush , then Bob Dole , then George W. Bush . None were effective communicators. Now we've got John McCain . Like him or not, the guy doesn't light you up. Now the Republican Party has someone who can communicate."

[whottt]

Democrats used harsh rhetoric in Denver to attack GOP policies and McCain's stands on issues.

Here is what we just heard this week in St. Paul. I could not believe my ears when I heard the following things:

- The former mayor of New York City using "cosmopolitan" as a pejorative

- Republicans talking up a war most people don't like and most of the rest couldn't care less about.


- Chants of "zero, zero, zero" from Republicans, apparently digging Obama on his meteoric rise in politics. This after Democrats went out of their way to pay respect to McCain's sacrifice and public career and Obama personally defended Palin's credentials and boundaries.


- Teen pregnancy being exalted and a good education mocked by the party that used to pride itself on values.


- Community service being demeaned in the most cruel and base way imaginable. As a person who has done community service before and not because I had to, I was saddened and repulsed.


- A VP candidate promising to be "a friend to families with special needs children" while her own special-needs baby was handed off to a seven-year-old (and no, the father didn't step up to hold the baby).


- Civil rights--a proud American tradition--being turned into nothing more into a nasty laugh line by a major party candidate. I bet McCain's captors never "read him his rights" either.


- A nineteen-year-old future soldier identified to the world as the child of a prominent political figure. I didn't appreciate that when Biden did it either.


- Hockey moms being called pit bulls with lipstick. That stuff may play in Peoria, but it's a sexist remark that should be beneath a major party candidate.


- Republicans talking out of one side of their mouth about how waterboarding isn't torture while on the other side they manage to give us every last detail of McCain's ordeal in Hanoi without using the word.


- Republicans somehow taking up the mantle for "real change" after their party has been in power for 6 of the last 8 years and held the presidency all that time. Better late than never, I guess.



This was jaw-dropping, and not in a good way. I was for Obama all along, and the Democrats certainly used harsh rhetoric of their own in Denver, but it was aimed squarely at GOP policies and McCain's stances on the issues.


It's one thing to say that Obama's resume doesn't qualify him to be President, but it's another to look down on and demean his work with the indigent in Chicago, especially when he probably turned down an extremely lucrative career in corporate law in order to do so. There seemed to be something ugly and personal about the way they were attacking Obama, and I think it will backfire.

And you think its liberals and Democrats who are getting ugly? I don't care about Palin's personal family business. What people write on DailyKos or whatever has nothing to do with me or Obama. I don't like what I know of her record in Alaska, and her speech last night was petty and small for somebody accepting a major party nomination for VP.

You don't get it do you...

When we want to elect assholes...we vote Republican. That's how it works.

We don't elect asshole Democrats..we never have. I mean domestic assholes.


People don't want the Democrats to be ugly. That's not what Democrats are supposed to be. They don't want them to be exactly like the Republicans except just the opposite...

And if you are going to get ugly...you need to prove you can do it with someone other than Republicans.



What they want is the Democrats to be like Clinton...not cynical, uplifting.


And I give Obama credit, visually he is doing that...but his supporters or his people, are undermining it.



We'll see...economics are a powerful factor and since there is a time table for the troop withdraw people may not see the same reasons for vote Republican, I honestly wouldn't expect them too...in many ways this is the exact same situation when Bush 1 got beat by Clinton. But honestly...Bush 1 really isn't any more likeable than W is...and Clinton was. It was easy to see Clinton was going to beat him.



But right now the Republicans are coming off as the more positive party and the Democrats just seem pissed off. Especially over the last few weeks. And the mood I get from the base is entirely different than the one Obama is trying to put out...and it's undermining him.



Remember in the 90's when the Republican were always going after Clinton? Remember how it never worked and just made people despise the Republicans...Democrats are making the exact same mistakes over the last 4 years that the Republicans made then....it was working because Bush is such an idiot and easy target...but it's not working now guys. America is looking for kinder gentler Democrats domestically...

[Cry Havoc]

Obama seems pretty cool and while he's mostly hot air, his power and ability to herd stupid people is off the charts. If someone is dumb and has no longstanding political bias, chances are they thing Obama is the greatest thing since since sliced bread

Interesting you say that.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106360/Ob...Graduates.aspx

Clearly, Obama is only corralling the less educated of the populace.

[ducks]

April 9, 2008^^^^^

[whottt]

McCain nailed it when he said they're sick of seeing us yell at each other. Whether or not he intends to do that...he was dead on with that statement. I am sick of the partisanship and extremists...

[timvp]

By the way...

Any non-idiot can tell Obama's economic plan is not going to work.


You tax the corporations and they will move those companies out of this country. Or they will move the jobs out of this country. Exactly what will he be taxing then? What's left?

Those companies are in the business of making money...they are not going to get jacked willingly.

This is true. As someone who would have to feel the wrath of that corporate persecution, Obama's plan is somewhat frightening. Promising the world while saying at the same time he's going to cut taxes for 95% of citizens doesn't leave much doubt in what is plan is going to be. He's going to want corporations to grab their ankles. There is no other way of explaining how his plan would work.

All things being equal, I think Obama is more capable of being a better leader. People listen to and believe what he says. He's not a risk to keel over and die any second. It's hard not to like him.

The reason why I'm torn is because Obama's economic plan doesn't seem too logical. More specifically, Obama's plan to somehow recapture outsourced jobs is so amazingly shortsighted that it makes me wonder what else he has up his sleeve.

[T Park]

How does McCain feel about war? Well someone asked him and his reply was, "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran." He then laughed.

He said tonight he despises it, and wouldn't wish it on anyone.

But don't take that into account since you've assumed alot.

[T Park]

As someone who would have to feel the wrath of that corporate persecution, Obama's plan is somewhat frightening. Promising the world while saying at the same time he's going to cut taxes for 95% of citizens doesn't leave much doubt in what is plan is going to be. He's going to want corporations to grab their ankles. There is no other way of explaining how his plan would work.

Not just corporations, but ANY business.

[Cry Havoc]

April 9, 2008^^^^^

What does the date matter? Obama is clearly drawing in large numbers of educated people.

Unless you have data to prove otherwise?

Oh, that's right. You don't. Fail. I more than challenge you to show me where McCain leads Obama among a SINGLE group with a collegiate education.

[T Park]

I more than challenge you to show me where McCain leads Obama among a SINGLE group with a collegiate education

Oh if only we had a college education...

[timvp]

Interesting you say that.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106360/Ob...Graduates.aspx

Clearly, Obama is only corralling the less educated of the populace.

Clearly, a poll between Obama and Hillary was the way for you to go to prove your point

Besides, most of the dumbest people I know are college educated. The smartest people I know figure out rather quickly that college is for suckers.

[lurker]

Obama seems pretty cool and while he's mostly hot air, his power and ability to herd stupid people is off the charts. If someone is dumb and has no longstanding political bias, chances are they thing Obama is the greatest thing since since sliced bread. Seeing as most of the country is consisted of stupid people, that may very well be a huge asset in office.

[timvp]

What a mavrick avenue you venture.

[Cry Havoc]

Oh if only we had a college education...

You're right. You clearly have a better way of objectively measuring the intelligence of the general populace.

I'm going to go out on a tiny limb here and say that the average doctor has a higher IQ than the average high school graduate with no college education.

[PixelPusher]

Why do you hate Ameirca?

[Kori Ellis]

Besides, most of the dumbest people I know are college educated. The smartest people I know figure out rather quickly that college is for suckers.

Umm... thanks?