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    I liked McCain's speech for the most part. While most of it was still the standard rah rah convention speech, when he says he'll work with both sides I'm more willing to believe him than most politicians based on his history. It seemed like this was finally Senator McCain speaking, rather than Presidential Candidate McCain.

    I felt that McCain's speech embodied "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" much better than Obama's speech.

    As for the POW stuff... I think he's overused it in a lot of areas of his campaign but I think it's totally appropriate and relevant for this speech. Every bit as relevant as Obama referencing his upbringing and family history. Neither qualifies you for office, but it's a key insight into your character and personal development.

    Anyway I still don't know who I favor since I disagree with both of them on so many issues but if we're to have another Republican in the Oval Office, we could do a lot worse than McCain.

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    With McCain you have to look at his record to get a sense of what he will do as president. He has continually gone against the grain. In fact, conservatives hated the guy and there were even questions whether he should change parties. His actions are very consistent with the speech he gave last night. He doesn't motivate and that frustrates him sometimes, but he does stick to his guns.
    Yet McCain now sells himself as a conservative -- I think much of that speech last night would have been different if McCain was the same guy who was on the campaign trail in 2000 or 2004. His rhetoric moves him to the right and I guess that leads me to wonder what he really believes -- is he really willing to sell out his principles by changing his political stripes to win an election, despite the clever line about preferring to lose an election than a war? I don't get the sense that one is a maverick (or mavrick) by acting pragmatically to appeal to a party in the hopes of winning election; in fact, I think just the opposite of the guy.

    When Kerry did similar things, he was a flip-flopper.

    And no matter what the libs want to say about his military service, he is a real American Hero. Not to say that alone qualifies him to be president.
    I agree with that. I'll note that there are any number of enlisted men and women who are subjected to equal or worse s than McCain endured in Vietnam, but I doubt too many would think them qualified to be President.

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    And if I hear the term 'Mavrick' used to describe him one more time I'm gonna lose it
    Most of the guys in my office like to eat out for lunch and go to really nice restaurants. Me? I brown bag it and save money. That makes me a in' Maverick!

    One time I brought leftover Hamburger Helper to work and some of the guys said they were going to Jason's Deli. Hey, even though I already brought my lunch to work, I'm gonna switch course and take a risk and go against the grain by going to Jason's Deli. I'm a in' Maverick!

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    Anyway I still don't know who I favor since I disagree with both of them on so many issues but if we're to have another Republican in the Oval Office, we could do a lot worse than McCain.
    I think you could pretty much sum up his speech this way: "I know it's the GOP that has screwed up so badly the last 8 years, but don't worry, I'll turn that around. Don't ask me for details, I've got it all figured out. Go eat a Hot Pocket."

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    "is he really willing to sell out his principles by changing his political stripes to win an election"

    Already done, sealed, delivered.

    Senator McSame is no more.

    It's now Candidate McPander.

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    Also, anybody else last night pick up on how many times he said fight or fought? Fight what? You can't seem to get into specifics, old man. This is McCain's basic MO, always viewing things in terms of aggression, shooting first and asking questions later. It's well-established that beneath the "My Friends" veneer, the guy is a hothead with a hair-trigger temper. I don't want HIM answering the phone at 3 a.m. I don't want him talking about bombing Iran when Iraq and Afghanistan went so poorly.

    Obama is a highly flawed candidate, but I don't see how this is even close. The Dems should go right at McCain's supposed strength - his "Maverick" tendencies, and argue that that is actually a detriment, not a strength, that his "Maverick" tendencies are impulsive and reckless, not principled sticking to convictions at the expense of easy political gain.

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    Yet McCain now sells himself as a conservative
    please be more specific. If you mean clarifying his positions enough to garner support from conservatives and then fine, but there shouldn't be a conservative in the world who thinks McCain is going to change.

    -- I think much of that speech last night would have been different if McCain was the same guy who was on the campaign trail in 2000 or 2004. His rhetoric moves him to the right and I guess that leads me to wonder what he really believes --
    What Rhetoric? I have followed this guy closely over the years and do not hear the difference.

    is he really willing to sell out his principles by changing his political stripes to win an election, despite the clever line about preferring to lose an election than a war? I don't get the sense that one is a maverick (or mavrick) by acting pragmatically to appeal to a party in the hopes of winning election; in fact, I think just the opposite of the guy.
    you'll have to be more specific with the aove for me to reply.

    When Kerry did similar things, he was a flip-flopper.
    when he voted for funding before he voted against it. You have an explanation for this?


    I agree with that. I'll note that there are any number of enlisted men and women who are subjected to equal or worse s than McCain endured in Vietnam, but I doubt too many would think them qualified to be President.
    suffering doesn't qualify you to do anything. How you handle yourself while suffering does give insight into someone's character. McCain showed courage, leadership, and most importantly Partiotism. Those are just some of the things we should look for in a president. Plus, his service does demonstrate he has the military experience needed in what i perceive to be a dangerous world.

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    too bad none of you guys' votes count!

    I'm in Ohio, my vote matters most so suck it!



    Really! They are going to be all over you guys jock strap come the next couple of weeks...

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    Really! They are going to be all over you guys jock strap come the next couple of weeks...
    Obama's plane flew over my office twice this week

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    Obama's plane flew over my office twice this week


    Really? Every election normally ends with you guys. Well except in 2000 of course.

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    I'm a in' Maverick! I just like saying that.

    America, Yeah!

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    My vote counts to me so I'll be going to the voting booths and calling and asking for others to do the same. The time is NOW!! Don't be fooled by the rhetoric from the conservatives for we as AMERICANS can take this country back from the Bush administration and not allow it to have another 4 years under a different name with the same results. Join me and together...YES WE CAN!!


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    Really? Every election normally ends with you guys. Well except in 2000 of course.
    we are like the kids in school that need all the attention- that is why we wait till the very end. It makes us feel important

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    I didn't read the whole thread because I don't have time at this time of day.

    Did anyone comment on the "mansion on the hill"?



    Last night when this was in real time I was laughing my rear off thinking WTF is he showing us one of his houses? Then when they showed the close up of McCain, it was the lime green jello backdrop (the lawn in the photo) all over again when McCain made his woeful speech the day Obama clinched the primaries.

    It turns out the above photo is Walter Reed Middle School in Hollywood, not a mansion at all. Evidently, some hapless advance person googled the wrong photo and probably wanted the Walter Reed Medical Center.

    I guess at least it didn't have marble columns.

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    Leave it up to McCain to bring the convention to a boring conclusion. I taped the speech in case I ever get insomnia. snoozerville all the way

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    Most of the guys in my office like to eat out for lunch and go to really nice restaurants. Me? I brown bag it and save money. That makes me a in' Maverick!

    One time I brought leftover Hamburger Helper to work and some of the guys said they were going to Jason's Deli. Hey, even though I already brought my lunch to work, I'm gonna switch course and take a risk and go against the grain by going to Jason's Deli. I'm a in' Maverick!


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    Everybody knows that real Mavricks play the right way, hustle back on defense, make the extra pass, salute the flag and support a strong national defense, unlike those effeminate liberal elitist Mavericks up in Dallas.

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    McSame misrepresented and outright lied while attacking HUSSEIN, without partisan rancor and so civilly, of course:

    FactChecking McCain

    September 5, 2008


    He made some flubs in accepting the nomination.

    Summary

    We checked the accuracy of McCain’s speech accepting the Republican nomination and noted the following:
    • McCain claimed that Obama’s health care plan would "force small businesses to cut jobs" and would put "a bureaucrat ... between you and your doctor." In fact, the plan exempts small businesses, and those who have insurance now could keep the coverage they have.

    • McCain attacked Obama for voting for "corporate welfare" for oil companies. In fact, the bill Obama voted for raised taxes on oil companies by $300 million over 11 years while providing $5.8 billion in subsidies for renewable energy, energy efficiency and alternative fuels.

    • McCain said oil imports send "$700 billion a year to countries that don't like us very much." But the U.S. is on track to import a total of only $536 billion worth of oil at current prices, and close to a third of that comes from Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom.

    • He promised to increase use of "wind, tide [and] solar" energy, though his actual energy plan contains no new money for renewable energy. He has said elsewhere that renewable sources won’t produce as much as people think.

    • He called for "reducing government spending and getting rid of failed programs," but as in the past failed to cite a single program that he would eliminate or reduce.

    • He said Obama would "close" markets to trade. In fact, Obama, though he once said he wanted to "renegotiate" the North American Free Trade Agreement, now says he simply wants to try to strengthen environmental and labor provisions in it.
    Analysis
    Sen. John McCain's acceptance speech to the Republican National Convention in Minneapolis-St. Paul on Sept. 4 was couched more in generalities than in specifics, offering fewer factual claims to check than we found in other speeches to the gathering. But we found some instances where the nominee strained the truth.

    Insurance Claims

    McCain mischaracterized Obama’s health care plan:
    McCain: His plan will force small businesses to cut jobs, reduce wages, and force families into a government run health care system where a bureaucrat stands between you and your doctor.
    The claim that “small businesses” would have to “cut jobs, reduce wages,” runs counter to Obama’s actual proposal. Obama’s plan would require businesses to contribute to the cost of insurance for employees or pay some unspecified amount into a new public plan. But his proposal specifically says, “Small businesses will be exempt from this requirement.” And it offers additional help to small businesses that want to provide health care in the form of a refundable tax credit of up to half the cost of premiums. We’ll note that neither man has defined what exactly a “small business” is.

    Furthermore, Obama’s plan wouldn’t “force” families into a “government-run health care system.” His plan mandates that children have coverage; there’s no mandate for adults. People can keep the health insurance they have now or chose from private plans, or opt for a new public plan that will offer coverage similar to what members of Congress have. Obama would also expand Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. His plan certainly expands government-offered insurance – and McCain’s doesn’t – but it’s not a solely government-run plan, as McCain implied. And if Obama's public plan turns out to be similar to what federal employees have, as he says it would be, we're not sure how "a bureaucrat" would stand "between you and your doctor." The possible exception would be persons covered by Medicaid or SCHIP.

    McCain also made this boast:
    McCain: My health care plan will make it easier for more Americans to find and keep good health care insurance.
    Fair enough. But McCain's plan wouldn't do nearly as well as Obama's. One comparison, by the nonpartisan Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, finds Obama’s would reduce the uninsured by 18 million people in its first year, compared with a 1 million reduction under McCain’s plan. TPC made various assumptions about the plans to fill in details each proposal lacks, so those numbers aren’t definitive. We await more comparisons from other experts.
    Oily Words

    McCain attacked Obama for supporting "corporate welfare" for oil companies:

    McCain: [i]nstead of freeing ourselves from a dangerous dependence on foreign oil, both parties and Senator Obama passed another corporate welfare bill for oil companies.
    The bill McCain is talking about here is the 2005 energy bill, which actually raised taxes on the oil industry a little bit overall – by about $300 million, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service. Meanwhile, McCain himself proposes to cut the corporate rate for all companies – oil included – and that would result in an estimated $4 billion cut for the five largest U.S.-based oil companies, according to the Center for American Progress Action Fund. Obama, on the other hand, is promising that he'll strip oil companies of "tax breaks" to the tune of an amount yet to be determined. It's true that Obama voted for the 2005 bill. He said he favored the $5.8 billion (over 11 years) that it contained in tax incentives for renewable energy, energy efficiency and alternative fuels. McCain voted against it on the grounds that the $2.6 billion it contained for oil and gas incentives was too much, even though the bill also took away $2.9 billion from the industry, for a net tax increase of $300 million. Describing such a complex measure as "corporate welfare" is misleading.

    More Oily Words

    We found other exaggerations in McCain’s claims about his plan for energy independence:
    McCain: We are going to stop sending $700 billion a year to countries that don't like us very much.
    In fact, the U.S. doesn't pay nearly that much for oil from hostile nations. According to the Energy Information Administration, the U.S. imported 4.9 billion barrels of oil in 2007. At today’s prices, that works out to about $536 billion, still a hefty chunk of change, but considerably less than $700 billion. More important, that's what we pay to all exporting nations, not just those that “don’t like us very much.” We note that 32 percent of U.S. oil imports came from Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom.

    Just Wind

    McCain also made sweeping claims about green energy that aren't actually backed up by his policy proposals:
    McCain: We will attack the problem on every front. ...We will increase the use of wind, tide, solar and natural gas. We will encourage the development and use of flex fuel, hybrid and electric automobiles.
    McCain has been quite specific about his proposals to clear the way for building 45 new nuclear power plants, opening offshore areas to oil drilling and spending $2 billion a year for so-called "clean coal" technology. He has also proposed a $300 million prize for developing the first practical plug-in electric car, although General Motors already is working on that and is aiming for delivery of the Chevrolet Volt by 2010, prize or no prize. McCain has also proposed a $5,000 tax credit for consumers who purchase zero emission vehicles

    But when it comes to power from wind and tide, McCain's words are blowing in the breeze. His energy plan, which he calls the Lexington Project, proposes no new spending for renewable energy programs. Instead, he proposes to "rationalize the current patchwork of temporary tax credits," but hasn't said what he means by that. As we’ve written before, spokespeople for the wind and solar industries are unsure what this actually means. Finally, we’ll note that McCain himself told supporters at a July town hall meeting that he doesn’t think that renewable energy is likely to be "as much of the solution as some people think." Perhaps not, but if McCain is right his own words are contributing to the public misperception.

    Pig in a Poke

    McCain repeated his vague promise to make spending cuts:

    McCain: Reducing government spending and getting rid of failed programs will let you keep more of your own money to save, spend and invest as you see fit.
    McCain has not said which programs he considers to be "failed programs." He thus makes the spending cuts sound less painful than they will be should he fulfill his previously stated promise to balance the federal budget by 2013 while also making all Bush tax cuts permanent and adding new cuts of his own. McCain repeated his promise to eliminate "earmarks" from federal spending bills, saying "the first big-spending pork-barrel earmark bill that comes across my desk, I will veto it." That drew applause, but the fact is that earmarks amount to only $16.9 billion in the current fiscal year, according to the Office of Management and Budget. Meanwhile, the deficit is expected to be more than $200 billion in 2009. And McCain's tax cuts will add billions more to future deficits unless offset by spending cuts, which he so far has not been willing to identify. What would he cut?

    A McCain adviser, former CBO chairman Douglas Holtz-Eakin, has said that McCain "will provide the leadership to achieve bipartisan spending restraint" and "will perform a comprehensive review of all programs, projects and activities of the federal government" to find programs to cut or eliminate. But that, of course, will come after people have cast their votes.

    Trade Talk

    McCain said, “I will open new markets to our goods and services. My opponent will close them."

    McCain may be alluding to Obama’s threat earlier this year to pull out of the North American Free Trade Agreement if Mexico and Canada won't open the deal to renegotiation. Obama said at a Democratic primary debate in Cleveland in February:
    Obama, Feb. 26: I will make sure that we renegotiate. … I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage to ensure that we actually get labor and environmental standards that are enforced.
    But that's far from a threat to "close" markets to U.S. exports.

    An expert from a pro-trade group agrees. “It's a stretch to take the heated comment from the Cleveland debate to pull out of NAFTA if it wasn't revised as indicative of a protectionist policy,” Jeffrey Schott, a senior fellow and trade expert at the Peterson Ins ute for International Economics, told FactCheck.org. “In any event, the position on NAFTA has since been clarified."

    In fact, Obama has said he thinks it's unwise to repeal the trade deal, because to do so "would actually result in more job loss ... than job gains." And in a June interview with Fortune magazine, he stated that he didn’t plan on pulling out of NAFTA. "Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified," he said.

    It's true that McCain has been a stronger advocate of free trade agreements than Obama, who supported the trade deal with Oman in 2006 and one with Peru in 2007 but opposed the one with Central America and another with Colombia. But saying he would "close" markets is nonsense.
    Planet Plans

    Finally, we note that McCain and the Republican delegates applied a different standard to the Republican nominee's lofty rhetoric than they did to Obama's.

    McCain drew applause with this line:
    McCain: We must use all resources and develop all technologies necessary to rescue our economy from the damage caused by rising oil prices and restore the health of our planet.
    The previous evening, however, McCain's running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, ridiculed Obama for using similar high-sounding words:
    Palin, Sept. 3: What does he actually seek to accomplish after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet?
    That crack drew jeers and laughter. Perhaps Republicans see a distinction between "healing the planet" and "restor[ing] the health of our planet," but it escapes us.

    –by Brooks Jackson, with Viveca Novak, Lori Robertson, Joe Miller and Emi Kolawole





    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ng_mccain.html

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    Man, Joe's posts are almost enough to make me want to vote against Obama.

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    Exposing Five Dangerous Lies in McCain's Big Speech

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    Posted on September 6, 2008, Printed on September 6, 2008
    http://www.alternet.org/story/97813/


    Editor's note: Much of the best information on the 2008 election can't be found in newspapers or magazines, or TV and radio, or websites -- it's on email. The article below is an email response sent out by critics of McCain's RNC speech singling out inaccurate statements the GOP nominee made to the nation on critical issues of the day.

    False McCain Claim: "My health care plan will make it easier for more Americans to find and keep good health care insurance."


    Facts: McCain's Health Care Plan Does Little to Reduce the Ranks of America's Uninsured and Would Erode the Employer-Based System


    Under McCain's Plan, Health Insurance Benefits Would be Taxed For The First Time, Resulting In A $3.6 Trillion Tax Increase On Working Families.


    McCain's health care plan would eliminate the payroll deduction on health care benefits, which would have the effect of raising taxes on working families by $3.6 trillion. [New York Times, 5/1/08]

    McCain's Plan Undermines The Employer-Based Health Care System And Will Lead To Workers Losing Coverage.


    McCain's health care plan would begin to dismantle the employer-based health care system, removing the incentives employers have to provide health care coverage, resulting in employees losing their health care. [New York Times, 4/30/08;Washington Post, 4/30/08]

    The Health Care Tax Credit McCain Offers Would Cover Less Than Half The Cost Of An Average Health Care Plan.


    The McCain health plan would give families a $5,000 tax credit to purchase health insurance. However, in 2007, the average family health insurance plan cost $12,000 - more than double the value of McCain's health care tax credit. ["Employer Health Benefits 2007 Annual Survey," Kaiser Family Foundation, 9/11/07; "'Call To Action' On Health Care Reform," John McCain 2008 press release, 4/29/08; Wall Street Journal, 10/11/07]

    McCain's Health Care Plan Does Little to Help America's Uninsured.


    McCain's plan does not focus on "reducing the ranks of the uninsured," of which there are about 47 million, or one in seven Americans. According to the New York Times, "The McCain campaign has no estimate of how many of America's 47 million uninsured would likely gain coverage under its plan." It "has been estimated to reduce the number of uninsured in the U.Sby three to nine million." [Wall Street Journal, 10/11/2007, 4/30/2008; New York Times, 3/2/2008]

    McCain's Erosion Of Employer System Would Take Away Millions of Americans' Insurance.


    According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, "158 million people nationally" had "employer-sponsored health insurance" in 2007. McCain's elimination of the employer tax incentive to provide coverage would put these 158 million Americans' coverage in jeopardy. According to an analysis conducted by the Center For American Progress, "business owners would no longer need to cover their workers to get tax benefits for their own coverageThe entire employer health insurance system could unravel, ending this as an option for Americans who prefer it." In addition, the McCain plan "would not require insurers to provide health coverage to people with pre-existing conditions." [Kaiser Family Foundation, "Employer Health Benefits 2007 Annual Survey; Center For American Progress Action Fund, "Analysis of McCain's Health Care Announcement," 4/29/2008; New York Times Political Blog, "The Caucus," 4/29/2008,

    Oil Companies:


    False McCain Attack:
    "Both parties and Senator Obama passed another corporate welfare bill for oil companies."

    The Facts: Energy Bill Actually Raised Taxes on Oil and Gas Industry, McCain Supports Tax Breaks for Big Oil


    AP Fact Check: Congressional Research Service Showed That The Energy Bill Actually Raised Taxes On The Oil And Gas Industry.

    The AP reported, "Clinton is on shakier ground when attacking Obama for supporting " Cheney's energy bill," and not just because it's a stretch to assign the vice president name - red meat to Democrats - to the legislation. The 2005 act that she describes as packed with billions of dollars in oil industry breaks actually raised taxes on the oil and gas industry by about $300 million over 11 years, according to the Congressional Research Service. The nonpartisan analysis found $2.6 billion in tax cuts for the oil and gas industry and $2.9 billion in tax increases. The bulk of tax breaks went to other sources of energy, including alternative fuels favored by both Clinton and Obama." [AP, 2/15/08]

    McCain's Tax Plan Will Cut Taxes For Oil Companies by Nearly $4 Billion - Including $1.2 Billion for Exxon.


    A study by the Center for American Progress Action Fund noted that the corporate tax rate cut included in the McCain tax plan "would deliver a $3.8 billion tax cut to the five largest American oil companies" - ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Valero Energy, and Marathon. According to their analysis ofExxon's financial statements, the company would receive a tax savings of $1.2 billion under the McCain plan. ["The McCain Plan to Cut Oil CompanyTaxes by Nearly $4 Billion," Center for American Progress Action Fund, 3/27/08]

    McCain Spokesman: McCain Opposes A Bipartisan Compromise to Expand Domestic Oil Production Because of Provisions that Would End Tax Breaks for Oil Companies.


    "A spokesman for Sen. McCain said that while he 'applauds the bipartisan effort,' he wouldn't support the proposal because 'he cannot and will not support legislation that raises taxes.'" [Wall Street Journal,8/2/08] ###

    Trade


    False McCain Attack:
    "I will open new markets to our goods and services. My opponent will close them."

    The Facts: When Obama Negotiate Trade Deals, It Will Be With American Workers in Mind; McCain Supported Deals That Cost Americans Jobs


    Obama Said That While "We're Not Going To Draw A Moat" Around The US, Trade Deals Had To Be Negotiated With American Workers In Mind.


    "The AP reported, "Obama said he supports the foreign trade deal, which is especially important to labor and U.S. manufacturers. He said active trading is a key way to keep the United States compe ive. 'We're not going to draw a moat around the United States' economy. If we do that, then China is still trading, India is still going to be trading,' said Obama, who voted against the recent Central American Free Trade Agreement and opposes the pending trade deal with South Korea. 'I think that NAFTA and CAFTA did not reflect the interests of American workers but reflected the interests of the stock owners on Wall Street, because they did not contain the sorts of labor provisions and environmental provisions that should have been embedded and should have been enforceable in those agreements,' he said." [AP, 10/10/07]

    McCain Supported NAFTA, Which Contributed to Loss of a Million American Jobs, And CAFTA.


    John McCain supported both the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA). The Economic Policy Ins ute has estimated that NAFTA contributed to the loss of 1 million American jobs since it took effect in 1994. [Vote 395, HR 3450, 61-38, 11/20/93; Vote 170, S.1307, 54-45, 6/30/05; "Revisiting NAFTA; Still not working for North America's workers," The Economic Policy Ins ute,9/28/06]

    McCain: I Am The Biggest Free Marketer And Free Trader.


    "Well, obviously we should make sure that every nation respects human rights, and we should advocate that and try to enforce it. But I will open every market in the world to Iowa's agricultural products. I'm the biggest free marketer and free trader that you will ever see." [GOP Debate, 12/12/07]

    McCain Praised NAFTA But Admitted That People Are "Gonna Lose Jobs."


    "I know NAFTA was a good idea. It's created millions of jobs and it has helped the economies of all three nations. All you have to do is go to Detroit and see the thousands of trucks lined up every day or go to our southern border. There have been winners and losers and that's the problem but free trade is something I think is vital to the future of America. As a free trader, I will open up every market in the world to Iowa agricultural products. Have people lost jobs? Yes, they have. And they're gonna lose jobs although the overall gain in jobs is gonna be pretty impressive." [Des Moines Register, 11/27/07]

    McCain: I Don't Care How Many Jobs You Outsource. Responding to a question about the economy during an appearance on Hardball, McCain said, "If we start seeing what a lot of us expect, and that is a strong economy cannot go forever without picking up jobs. I don't care how many of them you outsource, then I think the president is going to be helped by that." [MSNBC, "Hardball," 2/25/04]

    McCain Acknowledges Trade Agreements Have Cost America Jobs, Still Believes Agreements Have "Been Very Successful."


    "McCain has said the trade pacts have been a net positive. 'Overall, the free-trade agreements have been very successful, and I can prove that with economic data on job creation,' McCain said in an interview Monday with the Journal Sentinel. But he added, 'It has left people behind, and we must give those people and others opportunities.'" [Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, 4/16/08]

    Taxes


    McCain's False Attacks: "I will keep taxes low and cut them where I can. My opponent will raise them.”


    The Facts: Obama Will Cut Taxes, McCain Will Raise Them -- David Leonhardt of The New York Times Wrote That, "For Most People, Obama Is The Tax Cutter In This Campaign."


    Leonhardt wrote that, " The Tax Policy Center, a research group run by the Brookings Ins ution and the Urban Ins ute, has done the most detailed analysis of the Obama and McCain tax plans, and it has published a series of fascinating tables. For the bottom 80 percent of the population -- those households making $118,000 or less -- McCain's various tax cuts would mean a net savings of about $200 a year on average. Obama's proposals would bring $900 a year in savings. So for most people, Obama is the tax cutter in this campaign." [The New York Times, 8/24/08]

    Analysts Say That Obama's Tax Cut Plan "Offers Three Times The Break For Middle Class Families Than Proposals" Of McCain.


    "The tax cut plan of Democratic nominee to be Barack Obama offers three times the break for middle class families than proposals of likely Republican nominee John McCain, according to analysts working for a left-leaning think tank. Families making between $37,595 and $66,354 of annual income with Obama would get an average tax cut of $1,042 per family while McCain's tax cut for this group would be $319, the report states." [Nashua Telegraph, 6/12/08]

    Under Obama's Plan The Middle Of The Middle Class Would See Taxes Cut By $1,042 A Year; McCain's Tax Plan Would Give Them Only A $319 Tax Cut.


    According to the non partisan Tax Policy Center's computations, "under Mr. Obama's plan, the middle of the middle class, or those earning $37,595 to $66,354, would see taxes cut by $1,042 a year. Under Mr. McCain's plan, taxes for people in that category would also fall, but by $319; the largest chunk of the benefits would go to those making $2.8 million a year or more." [New York Times, 6/13/08]

    Washington Post: McCain's Approach To Taxes Is Far More Costly Than Obama's.


    "There is a serious debate to be had in this presidential campaign about the fundamentally different tax policies of Barack Obama and John McCain. Then there is the phony, misleading and at times outright dishonest debate that the McCain campaign has been waging -- most recently with a television ad. The two candidates have very different positions on taxes. Mr. Obama wants to raise taxes on the wealthiest Americans and cut them substantially for low- and middle-income taxpayers. He would cut taxes for more households, and by a larger amount, than Mr. McCain, who would give the greatest benefits to wealthy households and corporations. The McCain campaign insists on completely misrepresenting Mr. Obama's plan. The country can't afford the tax cuts either man is promising, although Mr. McCain's approach is by far the more costly. We don't expect either side to admit that. But neither side should get to outright lie about its opponent's positions, either." [Editorial, Washington Post, 8/31/08]

    ABC Headline: McCain Health Credit Could Morph Into Tax Hike.


    McCain's "health-care plan would replace the existing tax exclusion for employer-sponsored coverage with a refundable tax credit for all Americans. The tax change is intended to create a more equitable system that provides everyone -- including those who do not receive their health coverage from their employer -- with the same tax advantage. And since it is refundable, it would provide a cash benefit to those who earn too little to pay federal income taxes. But if the cost of health care continues to outpace inflation in the economy at large, McCain's health credit would morph into a tax hike for those who currently receive a tax exclusion for employer-sponsored coverage, according to a study released Wednesday by the liberal Center for American Progress." [ABC News, 7/2/08]

    McCain's Health Care Plan Would Raises Taxes On Families By $1,169 In 2013.


    According to a report by the Center for American Progress, the tax credit in McCain's health care plan would fall behind rising health premiums and would raise taxes for the average family by $1,169 in 2013. ["John McCain's Radical Prescription for Health Care," Center for American Progress Action Fund, 7/2//08]

    McCain's Campaign "Acknowledged" That His Health Care Plan "Would Have The Effect Of Increasing Tax Payments For Some Workers."


    "Though Senator John McCain has promised to not raise taxes, his campaign acknowledged Wednesday that the health plan he outlined this week would have the effect of increasing tax payments for some workers, primarily those with high incomes and expensive health plans. The campaign cannot yet project how many taxpayers might see their taxes go up, said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, Mr. McCain's top domestic policy adviser. But Mr. Holtz-Eakin said in an interview that for some, Mr. McCain's health care tax credits would not be large enough to compensate for his proposal to eliminate the tax breaks afforded to workers with employer-provided health benefits. To end the disadvantage to those who do not buy insurance through employers, Mr. McCain proposes to eliminate the exclusion of health benefits from taxable income. In exchange, he would provide refundable tax credits of $2,500 to single people and of $5,000 to families, with the goal of stoking compe ion in the individual insurance market. The elimination of the exclusion would generate $3.6 trillion over 10 years, according to the McCain campaign, and that money would pay for the tax credits." [New York Times, 5/1/08] ###

    Worker Training


    False McCain Attack: "For workers in industries that have been hard hit, we'll help make up part of the difference in wages between their old job and a temporary, lower paid one while they receive retraining that will help them find secure new employment at a decent wage."


    The Facts: McCain Has Repeatedly Opposed Vital Training for Workers in Hard-Hit Industries


    McCain Opposed $1 Million In Job Training Programs For Young People.


    In 2003, McCain sponsored an amendment to delete several provisions from the war supplemental spending bill, including $1 million for the Jobs for America's Graduates school-to-work program for at-risk young people for Training Employment Services. [2003 Senate Vote #118, 4/3/2003, McCain: Y]

    McCain Voted Against a Pilot Program to Provide Low-Interest Loans to Workers in Job Training or Assistance Programs.


    In 2002, McCain voted to kill an amendment requiring the Labor Department to establish a pilot program providing low-interest loans to workers in job training or job assistance programs to enable workers to continue making their mortgage payments. (CQ) McCain: Y [2002 Senate Vote #119, 5/21/2002]

    McCain Voted Against Providing Additional $4.1 Million For Job Training And Other Domestic Programs.


    In 1992, McCain voted against transferring $4.1 billion from defense to domestic programs, including Head Start, child immunization programs and the Job Corps program. (CQ) McCain: N [1992 Senate Vote #208, 9/16/1992, McCain: N]

    McCain Voted Against Providing $1 Billion In Economic Assistance, Including Job Training.


    In 1992, McCain voted against providing $1 billion for various programs designed to help those struggling economically, including job training funding. [1992 Senate Vote #146, 7/2/1992, McCain: Y]
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