What crimes do animals like pigs, chickens and cows commit? How about deers and buffalo? What crimes?
And don't come back with "They're animals, we're human."
FYI. I hate PETA. I eat bacon, meat and chicken.
you saying mccain talked about unemployement at the rally. i dont want to hear about unemployement, i would like to hear about jobs. real jobs. created HERE, not sent overseas. but we wont.
quickly? find a job? where might that be? at the local mcdonalds where the corporations wish to pay the young the kids? downsize? what if this bread winner has 5 kids. ALL PAID FOR through the "healthcare" provided at his job? material things were never a need. so this man or woman should go on "welfare", and have others pay for them? that cant be right either? can it?
listen, i have my own standards of who i would like to see run this country. and to be honest with you, at this point in the economy.....i dont care if its hillary, mccain, obama, mccains wife, hillarys daughter, or tim duncan. every time we have elections, they all, ALL promise us "this/that" and what happens, they all lie. they bull their way in our minds and hearts......and then step on them.
i just want to see a fair president run this place.
oh, my thoughts on the war. im done. its time. quit babysitting the world, when our own backyards are very, VERY dirty.
abstinence should be presented as an option. I happen to believe it's the best option, but i can't honestly say I abided by that before I was married.
there has to be give and take, and when both sides do not compromise, we all lose. When it comes to this topic I happen to believe both sides have good opinions.
Ideally I would like sex education to be promote Abstinence with rubbers.
That's how families should teach it too. Beauty of abstinence, but keep rubbers in your pocket or purse just in case.
you said you're unemployed, so I addressed your immediate issue. However, if you want to talk about some pipe dream like protectionism fine, but that's not going to take place anytime soon if ever. btw, who in the wants protectionism anyways. I don't want to spend $12 for a loaf of bread.
I thought we were talking about you, but it sounds like you have an imaginary person which we could never discuss because the imaginary mitigating cir stances are endless.quickly? find a job? where might that be? at the local mcdonalds where the corporations wish to pay the young the kids? downsize? what if this bread winner has 5 kids. ALL PAID FOR through the "healthcare" provided at his job? material things were never a need. so this man or woman should go on "welfare", and have others pay for them? that cant be right either? can it?
I agree with you 100%, so that's why we have to continue to try to get them out of our lives. I would take a Bill Clinton right now, but between these two canidates, McCain/Palin is this best choice.listen, i have my own standards of who i would like to see run this country. and to be honest with you, at this point in the economy.....i dont care if its hillary, mccain, obama, mccains wife, hillarys daughter, or tim duncan. every time we have elections, they all, ALL promise us "this/that" and what happens, they all lie. they bull their way in our minds and hearts......and then step on them.
I agree to an extent. We need to continue putting fear into our enemies and still get involved in humanitarian efforts such as darfur.i just want to see a fair president run this place.
oh, my thoughts on the war. im done. its time. quit babysitting the world, when our own backyards are very, VERY dirty.
my husband is, and as far as the 5 kids, that would be my brothers situation. how is wanting jobs a pipedream? proctect me and the people from sending jobs overseas.you said you're unemployed, so I addressed your immediate issue. However, if you want to talk about some pipe dream like protectionism fine, but that's not going to take place anytime soon if ever. btw, who in the wants protectionism anyways. I don't want to spend $12 for a loaf of bread.
these are not imaginary people. they are very real. in my own family. and people all across the usa. there is nothing imaginary about that scenario.I thought we were talking about you, but it sounds like you have an imaginary person which we could never discuss because the imaginary mitigating cir stances are endless.
i would take back bill clinton everyday of the week and twice on sunday. who cares if he was getting a blow job. he was running this country well. and not because he was republican or democrat. but because he was one of a president.I agree with you 100%, so that's why we have to continue to try to get them out of our lives. I would take a Bill Clinton right now, but between these two canidates, McCain/Palin is this best choice.
our enemies do not lie in iraq, however they may now. i for one do not feel any safer, with saddam gone. watch some arabic tv. see what the media there will not allow you to see here. besides, the "enemy" as died. why are we still there? we have lost so much, and gained only one thing. the evil hearts of many people around the world who see us as the "terrorist". no, i do not feel any safer. at all.I agree to an extent. We need to continue putting fear into our enemies and still get involved in humanitarian efforts such as darfur.
and to clear it up now. i am muslim. i am lebanese. i am however, american. born and raised.
What does your symbol at the bottom mean? Why did you lose your job?
We are still in Iraq because we trying to get them to the point to where they are able to sustain and govern themselves. We do not want Iraq to turn into a terrorist safe haven. I am not saying that invading Iraq was a good idea, but I feel that leaving before the job is complemented is a bad idea. My brother in law just got back from there and I have other friends that are there right now. They feel the same way.
What about Obama's plan and accomplishments makes you think he is the best candidate?
my symbol is in arabic, and it says "may allah make your ramadan period generous". meaning while we fast, make it worth the while, pray for those in need. im glad you asked, i do not want anyone on here to think it means something "terrorist". its like saying merry christmas, and meaning it from your heart, not the mall.
it was not me, who lost the job, it was my husband.
iraq, will never sustain and govern themselves. remember, its how they live, and have lived for many, MANY years. it was established before jesus walked the earth. they are used to living in that way. it wasnt a terrorist haven before. but now, it may be. you cant invade a place that has nothing to do with the other.....so, at this point, BECAUSE we are there, im sure there are some now. thats obvious, turn on the news. bombings everyday. i HATE to say this because yes, saddam was a bad man, but it was safer before he died for the people. and please, i beg, do not believe everything the news tells you, that its much better now. i have lost 3 cousins in that "war", and im tired of seeing the boys come home in caskets. it sickens me. its not only bad the soldiers, but for hte people who live there, and cant even send their kids to school out of fear for bombs. im not saying it was "perfect" in saddams days, but it wasnt this way.
i never said i wanted obama. quite frankly i havent made my choice of who i want. i acutally do not like any of them, if i may be honest. my biggest arugment with mccain is he is very strong in supporting the war. i am not. obama has gone back and forth about the war. that scares me.
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Please tell me why the Republican party deserves my vote.
They betrayed fiscal conservatives during Bush's presidency with a lot of rubber stamp votes.
They backed Bush to the hilt, despite the criminally negligent handling of Iraq for 4 years, directly killing our servicemembers and an untold number of Iraqis through their bungling.
I was an independent before Bush, and have a McCain 2000 t-shirt in my closet, but I will not be voting for a Republican for a long, long time.
Personally, I have seen very few competant Republicans that inspire my confidence. The party has given itself to the radical right, lock, stock, and barrel, and throughout the Bush presidency, has shown itself to place political litmus tests over competency.
The Republicans should be fired.
If the Dems take the ball and do the same stupid , then they should be fired too.
Sooner or later the apparatchiks will get the message.
All told, the best way I have found this election to see how someone would govern would be their handling of their campaign.
The talent and motivated people that Obama has attracted unseated a virtually unstoppable Hillary juggernaut and have proven themselves to be disciplined, savvy, and smart. Hollow "elitist" charges aside, I would rather have that brainpower in power than the hacks that seem to be attracted to the GOP.
Obama is not some great savior, and, just like McCain, has said some rather obviously pandering things, but nowhere near the degree that McCain has.
From what I have seen, neither Republican on the ticket has more than the most rudimentary understanding about geopolitics.
While the bumpkinism displayed by Palin seems to play well domestically, it takes intelligence and an ability to think in sophisticated terms with an open mind to really succeed as a president. God knows the current presidency has shown us that.
McCain may be fairly open-minded for a conservative, but the party hacks he will invariably have to employ should he become president, along with a woman who has admitted not knowing what her job would be do not inspire my confidence.
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If you and your husband don't have kids, and then work anywhere. If you can't find work there, move. As far as sending jobs overseas, if you're referring to the auto industry, if obama closes those doors to international compe ion, expect hyper inflation. $1 will go to 10 cents in a freakin hurry. Right now it's taking 20 years or so for a $1 to go to 50cents. Protectionism will force the $1 to 10 cents in 10 years or less.
Your best bet is working and retraining.
Retraining would be my advice. What is Obama promising, government dependence?these are not imaginary people. they are very real. in my own family. and people all across the usa. there is nothing imaginary about that scenario.
fiscally I agree with you 1000%.i would take back bill clinton everyday of the week and twice on sunday. who cares if he was getting a blow job. he was running this country well. and not because he was republican or democrat. but because he was one of a president.
you are safer whether you feel it or not.our enemies do not lie in iraq, however they may now. i for one do not feel any safer, with saddam gone. watch some arabic tv. see what the media there will not allow you to see here. besides, the "enemy" as died. why are we still there? we have lost so much, and gained only one thing. the evil hearts of many people around the world who see us as the "terrorist". no, i do not feel any safer. at all.
awesome.and to clear it up now. i am muslim. i am lebanese. i am however, american. born and raised.
I would argue that Bush has not been a true conservative during his presidency. Things like:
- Allowing illegals to get social security
- Not doing anything about the illegal alien problem
- Raising spending
are all not conservative values.
These are all things that Obama would make worse not better. I do not think Bush has been a good president by any means. Just because Bush has not been the greatest success, doesn't mean that the next Republican candidate will be a failure.
I don't think Mccain is a great candidate by any means, but he is lightyears ahead of Barack Obama.
we have one on the way. we are afraid to move, so this can happen in another town, or city. we are established here. im not just referring to the auto world. i work for one of the big 3. im the industrial buyer there.If you and your husband don't have kids, and then work anywhere. If you can't find work there, move. As far as sending jobs overseas, if you're referring to the auto industry, if obama closes those doors to international compe ion, expect hyper inflation. $1 will go to 10 cents in a freakin hurry. Right now it's taking 20 years or so for a $1 to go to 50cents. Protectionism will force the $1 to 10 cents in 10 years or less.
i can understand that, but do you see my point, when 20 something walks in for the interview, vs an older man........how do you retrain that? when not even given the chance.Your best bet is working and retraining.
again, try to find work, decent work when the lines are forever long.Retraining would be my advice. What is Obama promising, government dependence?
fiscally I agree with you 1000%.
and that is your opinion to say that. i am not safer. that is my opinion and feeling to say that.you are safer whether you feel it or not.
thank youawesome.
But Obama is gonna charge a top marginal rate nearly 63% over what you, yourself stated should be the highest rate in this country.
How, in good conscience, can you vote for him.
Regarding Palin and the "job" quote - have you seen the video. She was pretty clear in it; that she didn't want a "do nothing" job; and if that was what the VP job was, she didn't want it. Apparently, it is something more involved than that.
Also, "normal party hacks" - you mean like all of the guys McCain DIDN'T select for his running mate; or the ones that Palin chased out of Alaska - and he almost picked a Democrat? WTF makes you think his first phone call after the election is gonna be to James Baker? I'm betting it won't be.
You want a ticket that isn't normal - and you're gonna go with a product of the Chicago machine who picked Joe ing Biden as his running mate?
McCain criticized his OWN party in his speech; read the quotes from Woodward's new book; he was OPENLY critical of the way the administration managed the Iraq war. I can almost guarantee Joe Lieberman will be in the cabinet. This AIN'T gonna be George's dad's cabinet!
Also, don't compare Palin's speaking ability with GW's - that insults ALL of our intelligence; just because she doesn't speak with a patrician slur doesn't make her slow; you're better than that.
I couldn't have said it better.
Everyone who thinks McCain will turn back into a reformist once he's in the white house might be right. But what does that say about his character if he's willing to sell out his principles for the presidency. The ends do NOT always justify the means.
OK, so McCain is a Mavrick in conservative clothes. Even if he wins the election, he has to reward all the right-wingers that he probably does not identify with (but is now indebted to) high ranking positions. With his history of loyalty, you know he doesnt have the balls to turn his back on the Karl Rove proteges who might get him elected.
We will be stuck with the same neoconservative idiots who engineered the Iraq war. Sounds like 4 more years of the same, no matter how much of a rebel McCain claims to be.
The problem you are going to have making this argument is that, almost invariably,
1) most conservatives in the US are horribly ignorant about what is going on in the rest of the world, getting their news almost exclusively from conservative US sources
2) most conservatives in the US are patently unable to admit that our country might make a mistake or do anything wrong. for them patriotism is defined by how loudly they can shout "USA is great", and not by actually thinking objectively about what is best for the nation.
Combine the two above common charactoristics about a huge number of Americans, and you end up with an inability to understand or comprehend that there are people who don't see the US as some shining "city on the hill"
The war on "terror" is a war of ideas, and that is something they just can't wrap their minds around.
They want real, tangible enemies to defeat. They cling to some simplistic worldview that if you just kill the right people, we will "win".
A large part of their problem stems from #2 above.
Because they can't conceive or admit that the US ever does anything less than honorable, they can't understand the idea that we are really fighting, namely that the US is some evil monster bent on destroying muslims.
We aren't fighting Osama bin Laden. We are fighting an ideology. You can't kill an ideology with bullets. You can kill an ideology with moral authority, and discrediting that idea, by showing its weaknesses. This worked with communism in the Cold War, and will work with this ideology.
Try to find a conservative who will admit that though. Such a complex understanding of the issue is beyond them.
That is why the US will continue to fail at the "war" on terror until we get someone who is capable of understanding nuances and subtlity in charge.
well you should try to understand, because pretty soon the people who speak that language will be the majority anyway.
I would venture to say that the average conservative's IQ is higher than the average liberals.
Thats what scares mewell you should try to understand, because pretty soon the people who speak that language will be the majority anyway.
you are on the money. the worst of the decisions was medicare part D which by most accounts is a $20 trillion dollar program.
nothing criminal about fighting a war and supporting your country is to be expected when at war.They backed Bush to the hilt, despite the criminally negligent handling of Iraq for 4 years, directly killing our servicemembers through their bungling.
lots of reasons to think that way.I was an independent before Bush, and have a McCain 2000 t-shirt in my closet, but I will not be voting for a Republican for a long, long time.
there's truth to that.Personally, I have seen very few competant Republicans that inspire my confidence. The party has given itself to the radical right, lock, stock, and barrel, and throughout the Bush presidency, has shown itself to place political litmus tests over competency.
they are going lose the senate, so both branches of congress will be dem.The Republicans should be fired.
we should stick to making the best choices and not leave it to experiment.If the Dems take the ball and do the same stupid , then they should be fired too.
they got the feakin message alright with the McCain nomination. Plus, McCain keeps beating that message into their brains. Seems to be working.Sooner or later the apparatchiks will get the message.
that is a lame example of experience, but I understand that's all Obama has. Obama is running a popularity contest. Funny thing is, GW did the same thing in 2000. He was nowhere near as competent as the others in the republican primary.All told, the best way I have found this election to see how someone would govern would be their handling of their campaign.
Liberals smart, Republicans stupid, that's political game is tired and people are getting sick of it.The talent and motivated people that Obama has attracted unseated a virtually unstoppable Hillary juggernaut and have proven themselves to be disciplined, savvy, and smart. Hollow "elitist" charges aside, I would rather have that brainpower in power than the hacks that seem to be attracted to the GOP.
please be more specific, because the only pandering I'm seeing is from Obama with his attempt to buy votes and his inconsistent, sometimes stupid, remarks.Obama is not some great savior, and, just like McCain, has said some rather obviously pandering things, but nowhere near the degree that McCain has.
From what I have seen, neither Republican on the ticket has more than the most rudimentary understanding about geopolitics.Can't wait for the debates.
very sexist and prejudice, but we can't help that you look down on people.While the bumpkinism displayed by Palin seems to play well domestically,
you seem to be very open-minded calling people stupid, bumpkins, apparats.it takes intelligence and an ability to think in sophisticated terms with an open mind to really succeed as a president. God knows the current presidency has shown us that.
...for a conservativeMcCain may be fairly open-minded for a conservative, but the party hacks he will invariably have to employ should he become president, along with a woman who has admitted not knowing what her job would be do not inspire my confidence.
you're very open-minded.
so I guess you think people who don't have good healthcare or healthcare insurance brought it upon themselves? I am an American who goes to college full time and can only work part time 20 hrs a week, no health coverage for me. Universal healthcare sure looks good to me. Then when I graduate I can get a good job with health insurance.
Source? Such claims of huge swings tend to be a bit exaggerated, and I would like to see a neutral analysis before really going in on that.
Either way, the people who have benefitted most from our economy and whose % increases in income have only accelerated during the last 25 years while everybody else has either stagnated or arguably lost ground do not inspire my sympathy.
All the wealth that I ac ulate in this world will mean the instant I die, and it won't matter to me what % I got to keep, as long as I had enough to live fairly comfortably and provide for my kids.
Anything beyond that is icing on the cake. That is the principle that progressive tax rates are based on and I fully agree with the ethical principle behind it.
Your own idiotic posts are proof that you are wrong.
From what I am given to understand "liberals" tend to be better educated overall than "conservatives".
This would tend to indicate the opposite.
You might venture to say it, but without actual data, I would venture to say you are simply guilty of little more than confirmation bias.
As I'm sure all people who are different from you do.
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