Any Idiots on here still voting for Obama

**DetroitGurl** · 09-05-2008

We aren't fighting Osama bin Laden. We are fighting an ideology. You can't kill an ideology with bullets. You can kill an ideology with moral authority, and discrediting that idea, by showing its weaknesses. This worked with communism in the Cold War, and will work with this ideology.

TOTALLY 100% agree with that.

**RandomGuy** · 09-05-2008

Originally Posted by spursfan09

so I guess you think people who don't have good healthcare or healthcare insurance brought it upon themselves? I am an American who goes to college full time and can only work part time 20 hrs a week, no health coverage for me. Universal healthcare sure looks good to me. Then when I graduate I can get a good job with health insurance.

Except for the fact that more and more costs are shifting from the insurance companies to private citizens.

It is a nasty cycle. More people without health insurance go to the hospital or doctor, can't pay and force hospitals and doctors to charge more to the customers who can pay (read: insurance companies), who in turn charge more in premiums, forcing more people to go without health insurance.

The ONLY way to break this cycle is to allow people to die on the curbs of hospitals after you refuse to treat them for lack of insurance.

We have a de-facto nationalized health care system now, and it is breaking down as we speak.

But hey, there's a free market solution to everything, right?

Pfft.

**RandomGuy** · 09-05-2008

Anyways my time here is at an end.

Take care all, and please don't reward the Republicans for the last 8 years. They don't deserve it.

**spursfan09** · 09-05-2008

Originally Posted by RandomGuy

Except for the fact that more and more costs are shifting from the insurance companies to private citizens.

It is a nasty cycle. More people without health insurance go to the hospital or doctor, can't pay and force hospitals and doctors to charge more to the customers who can pay (read: insurance companies), who in turn charge more in premiums, forcing more people to go without health insurance.

The ONLY way to break this cycle is to allow people to die on the curbs of hospitals after you refuse to treat them for lack of insurance.

We have a de-facto nationalized health care system now, and it is breaking down as we speak.

But hey, there's a free market solution to everything, right?

Pfft.

I am not sure what you are saying. I don't go to the doctor at all because I do not have insurance. i am not putting any cost on anyone. All I can do is pray that I do not get sick or need medical attention until I graduate and get a good job with benefits. But I don't expect people who don't care about others to really care about my situation.

**DetroitGurl** · 09-05-2008

Originally Posted by spursfan09

I am not sure what you are saying. I don't go to the doctor at all because I do not have insurance. i am not putting any cost on anyone. All I can do is pray that I do not get sick or need medical attention until I graduate and get a good job with benefits. But I don't expect people who don't care about others to really care about my situation.

i do care about that, and you.....without even knowing you. i fear that same situation that you are in now. my insurance is "good" my husbands was better. we lost my husbands, and if something happens to mine......wow, i do not know what we will do. not many places pay insurance......its very scary. and we are a upper middle class family, in 37 he is 39. with our first child on the way.

**101A** · 09-05-2008

Originally Posted by RandomGuy

From what I am given to understand "liberals" tend to be better educated overall than "conservatives".

This would tend to indicate the opposite.

You might venture to say it, but without actual data, I would venture to say you are simply guilty of little more than confirmation bias.

My wifes a professor; we run in a VERY liberal, and VERY "educated" crowd.

Education does not equate to intelligence. The liberal posters on this board, yourself included, are better thinkers, and believe it or not, more open minded than the great majority of them. They sit around and talk amongst themselves over beer; it's really hilarious; solve all the worlds problems with nary a dissenting voice - if only we'd put their brilliant selves in charge. Yes, it is just as arrogant and elitist as you imagine it is.

Over a campfire earlier this year, they decided their ought to be a 100% tax on ALL income over 300K - and none of them could see ANY drawbacks to that.

**101A** · 09-05-2008

Originally Posted by RandomGuy

The problem you are going to have making this argument is that, almost invariably,

1) most conservatives in the US are horribly ignorant about what is going on in the rest of the world, getting their news almost exclusively from conservative US sources

2) most conservatives in the US are patently unable to admit that our country might make a mistake or do anything wrong. for them patriotism is defined by how loudly they can shout "USA is great", and not by actually thinking objectively about what is best for the nation.

Because you say so?

Source?

**VaSpursFan** · 09-05-2008

Originally Posted by spurster

All the promises from both parties to cut my taxes and your taxes doesn't make sense to me. We're already running huge deficits (while fighting two wars). The last time I checked, paying off a debt costs more than paying off the bill right away. To my mind then, these tax cuts are really tax increases in the long run. As for stimulating the economy, if the huge deficits we currently have (and have had for most of BushCo) aren't stimulating the economy that much, how does a bigger deficit change that?

+1. you make an incredibly salient point. for the life of me, I cannot comprehend how people scream for tax cuts without the understanding that if you do not reduce expenses proportionally, you will run a deficit. at this point, taxes have to be raised to generate enough incremental revenue, if expenses do not increase, to chip away at our enormous deficit. while i don't want it to happen, i understand that that it's a necessary evil.

**Ocotillo** · 09-05-2008

Originally Posted by VaSpursFan

+1. you make an incredibly salient point. for the life of me, I cannot comprehend how people scream for tax cuts without the understanding that if you do not reduce expenses proportionally, you will run a deficit. at this point, taxes have to be raised to generate enough incremental revenue, if expenses do not increase, to chip away at our enormous deficit. while i don't want it to happen, i understand that that it's a necessary evil.

I wonder if anyone has asked McCain if he plans to include the cost of the Iraq occupation in the budget? Bush has had it as an "off budget" item and it's a whopper. If McCain says he would include it in the budget, then specifically, what would he cut beyond "earmarks"?

Will he resort to saying if he cuts taxes, revenues will increase and wave it off with that?

**DetroitGurl** · 09-05-2008

well fine folks.....im out for the weekend......thank you for the great talk and debates today......i mean that.....

have a good one.

salwa~

**~~cool hand~~** · 09-05-2008

JOHN MCCAIN WANTS AMENSTY AND BIG OIL TAXES BREAKS.........Is that conservative?

**2centsworth** · 09-05-2008

Originally Posted by Ocotillo

I wonder if anyone has asked McCain if he plans to include the cost of the Iraq occupation in the budget? Bush has had it as an "off budget" item and it's a whopper. If McCain says he would include it in the budget, then specifically, what would he cut beyond "earmarks"?

Will he resort to saying if he cuts taxes, revenues will increase and wave it off with that?

Take a hard look at al the off balance sheet debts, iraq will be the least of your worries

**JoeChalupa** · 09-05-2008

My vote is a cold steel lock. Palin won't walk the talk.

**dg7md** · 09-05-2008

I am still an avid Obama supporter and so is everybody else I know, and the only way McCain is getting votes is stealing Obama's campaign (with the 'change').

**mavs>spurs2** · 09-05-2008

Bush will go down in history as the worst president ever. The idiots are the one's somehow defy all logic and vote for McCain after this 8 year fiasco.

**td4mvp21** · 09-05-2008

Originally Posted by mavs>spurs

Bush will go down in history as the worst president ever. The idiots are the one's somehow defy all logic and vote for McCain after this 8 year fiasco.

**Mr. Peabody** · 09-05-2008

Originally Posted by 101A

Over a campfire earlier this year, they decided their ought to be a 100% tax on ALL income over 300K - and none of them could see ANY drawbacks to that.

Nice.

Sounds like some of the guys I hung out with in college.