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Palin: Iraq War. Mission from God.
"her religion."
.... is not a problem, except that she's the choice of fringe "Christian" supremacists who want to create an American theocracy, superseding American legal system with their made-up about "God's will".
The Repugs' short-and-curlies are in the hands of these supremacists. McSame called them "agents of intolerance" until he caved in, like the chicken he is, embraced them, and selected an Islamic-like agent of intolerance as VP.
Palin: Iraq War. Mission from God.
That's not what she said, if any of you would read the entire quote. What she said was this:
"Pray for our military men and women who are striving do to what is right. Also for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for -- that there is a plan, and that plan is God's plan."
She didn't say this was a mission from God...she said that we should pray that it is.
Obama's worldview has been heavily influenced by Wright. His denial of Wright was mere window-dressing. Boutons, you probably lived a comfortable life and not seen the horrors of theocracy of man in China, Cambodia, Romainia or the former Soviet Union. Frankly Boutons, I would not want to live in the company of death that your view would bring.
We have come a long way downhill ever since Churchill made a statement during the Blitz that the Battle of Britain was a battle to save Christian Civilization.
Last edited by efrem1; 09-09-2008 at 09:03 PM.
Dammit, don't confuse them with the facts; they're on a roll!!!!!
Why cant you just admit that she's going to govern (if elected) based on her religious beliefs. Its already out there. abortion, creationism.
Ya know, all these questions could be answered in a simple interview. And I'm not talking with Charles Gibson. But I guess that's wishful thinking.
#1 According to an October 2006 profile in the Anchorage Daily News, Palin opposes stem cell research, physician-assisted suicide, and state health benefits for same-sex partners.
Source: Boston Globe, "A valentine to evangelical base", p. A12 Aug 30, 2008 http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Sara...n_Abortion.htm
#2http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/ele...-8274738c.htmlA significant part of Palin’s base of support lies among social and Christian conservatives. Her positions on social issues emerged slowly during the campaign: on abortion (should be banned for anything other than saving the life of the mother), stem cell research (opposed), physician-assisted suicide (opposed), creationism (should be discussed in schools), state health benefits for same-sex partners (opposed, and supports a cons utional amendment to bar them).
Closest I could find.
#3 http://obama.senate.gov/speech/06071...f_su/index.php
#4http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/...028d71df58.htmStem cell research offers tremendous hope for those suffering from a variety of deadly diseases - hope for both cures and life-extending treatments. However, the compassion to relieve suffering and to cure deadly disease cannot erode moral and ethical principles.
For this reason, John McCain opposes the intentional creation of human embryos for research purposes. To that end, Senator McCain voted to ban the practice of "fetal farming," making it a federal crime for researchers to use cells or fetal tissue from an embryo created for research purposes. Furthermore, he voted to ban attempts to use or obtain human cells gestated in animals. Finally, John McCain strongly opposes human cloning and voted to ban the practice, and any related experimentation, under federal law.
As president, John McCain will strongly support funding for promising research programs, including amniotic fluid and adult stem cell research and other types of scientific study that do not involve the use of human embryos.
Where federal funds are used for stem cell research, Senator McCain believes clear lines should be drawn that reflect a refusal to sacrifice moral values and ethical principles for the sake of scientific progress, and that any such research should be subject to strict federal guidelines.
Abortion is not a religious issue. Neither is creationism, for that matter.
Define "creationism".
I believe that God created the earth.
Doesn't that mean I believe in "crationism"?
I also KNOW that the Earth is 5 billion years old; dinosaurs showed up some 250 milliion years ago, and hung around for nearly 190 million years.
Do I believe in evolution and physics and the laws of nature? Yes. Do I believe it is all one big happy accident? No.
WHAT A RADICAL RELIGIOUS NUT-JOB!!!!!!As president, John McCain will strongly support funding for promising research programs, including amniotic fluid and adult stem cell research and other types of scientific study that do not involve the use of human embryos.
Where federal funds are used for stem cell research, Senator McCain believes clear lines should be drawn that reflect a refusal to sacrifice moral values and ethical principles for the sake of scientific progress, and that any such research should be subject to strict federal guidelines.
NewsWeek
The entire article is a rebuttal of much of the false information being spread about Palin; this section is relevant to this thread:
No Creationism in Schools
On Aug. 29, the Boston Globe reported that Palin was open to teaching creationism in public schools. That's true. She supports teaching creationism alongside evolution, though she has not actively pursued such a policy as governor.
In an Oct. 25, 2006, debate, when asked about teaching alternatives to evolution, Palin replied: Palin, Oct. 25, 2006: Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject – creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.
A couple of days later, Palin amended that statement in an interview with the Anchorage Daily News, saying:
Palin, Oct. 2006: I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum.
After her election, Palin let the matter drop. The Associated Press reported Sept 3: "Palin's children attend public schools and Palin has made no push to have creationism taught in them. ... It reflects a hands-off at ude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans." The article was headlined, "Palin has not pushed creation science as governor." It was written by Dan Joling, who reports from Anchorage and has covered Alaska for 30 years.
Anyone who believes in Creationism has no business being in our United States government. It's a ing fairy tale. And we wonder why foreigners think Americans are so stupid...
I find people's responses to this thread extremely hilarious because all the assumptions that have been made about my faith. I have been called part of the anti-God crowd. I happen to be a person of great and deep faith who is highly involved in religious and spiritual activities and who has sent my child to a religiously affiliated school his entire life. I am not a person who has an anti-religion position, at all. It is an extremely important part of my life.
My concern is not that she is a woman of faith but how she "uses" it. You do not make policy decisions and then claim it is God's will. Period. You do not know that it is God's will that Alaska build a pipeline and to call it that and imply that those who disagree with the policy are somehow oppposing God's will is ridiculous. As a woman of faith, I am sick and tired of politicians pros uting my faith to try to sway voters and to get what they want.
I am a firm believer that it is those within a group who are most called to speak against what those within that group do. For example, Mulsims had the greatest responsibility to speak out against 9-11 and Catholics the greatest responsibility to speak out against the clergy abuses. So, I as a person of faith who takes my faith very sacredly am in the most responsible position to call out the people who abuse the claim of faith for the wrong motives- political ones. But like clockwork, people accuse those who oppose the mingling of faith and political policy with being anti-God, but I am interested in the integrity of both of those systems.
Link where she did this, please.
Be specific.
Our father
who art in heaven
hallowed by thy name
thy kingdom come
thy will be done....
That is what she prayed for; and Jesus taught us that one, specifically.
Our father
who art in heaven
hallowed by thy name
thy kingdom come
thy will be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas pipeline built
Better to govern from GOD than from Marx motha as!
It's funny watching Obama try to be religious when you know he knows his base are new-age trendy wannabes who think religion is so not cool.
Last I checked, Palin isn't running for President. If elected, she'll be playing by McCain's rules, not hers.
Anyone who thinks creationism should be taught in schools' science classes is a nut. It's a myth, and has no business being taught as something that follows the scientific method. How many people have you ever heard demand that churches teach evolution as an alternative view in their sermons?
I don't agree with church being legislated. However, to deny the importance of the church to our country is equally nutty. There has to be a happy median.
Palin specifically DID NOT call for creationism to be taught in public schools. Ultimately, there's nothing to teach.
Palin said she was for debating/discussing creationism in public schools, which gives credence to a Christian-biased fairy tale in a taxpayer-funded public school.
If a law permitting or requiring that "Christian" creationism be taught in public schools, it's a legit assumption that Palin would support it.
It's also legit to assume she wouldn't support also teaching non-Christian religions' creation fairy tales.
Easy point for voters decide on.
Based on the article above. that assumption is not at all legitimate.
Are you calling for a law specifically FORBIDDING a debate? Are you saying Christian, Jewish and Muslim children cannot mention their beliefs in school, that they should be censored?
"that assumption is not at all legitimate."
of course it is. Do you think Bible-literalist, junk-"religion" Palin would vote against such a law?
"Are you calling for a law specifically FORBIDDING a debate?"
no, but nice baiting attempt.
Public schools should only teach science that is generally recognized as being man's best effort to understand the universe.
"Are you saying Christian, Jewish and Muslim children cannot mention their beliefs in school, that they should be censored"
In what context of a science course on evolution would students' religious fairy tales be the same as the school's official science teaching? The students can say and debate whatever they want but in a classroom, the teacher teaches the official curriculum. The public school and teacher giving non-scientific religious fairy tales an airing on equal footing as science would be to give those fairy tales credence.
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