Religion has no place in science classes. Belief is not part of the scientific method, so there is no room for religious debate there.
I want to agree with you, but technically science is all theory. You can't actually prove anything.
That being said, I don't want my children believing that evolution is hocus pocus, because I believe in the evidence. But I do believe in God, and think there is some room for divine inspiration in the creation argument. That could be another theory that kids could be taught.
The only caveat is that if you teach it from the Christian perspective, then would you be obliged to then include other religious teachings of creation as to not be discriminatory?
Thats for the lawyers to answer.... I'd rather just not open up the bag of worms and keep science in the classroom and religious instruction in church and in the home.
Technically, science is theory. Religion is hypothesis.
"technically science is all theory"
It's the nature of scientific method. But a theory that explains/fits the evidence and makes predictions that are born out is a pretty strong theory.
The creationist fairy tale has no evidence to explain.
Good points.
http://dwb.adn.com/news/government/l...-8419318c.html
That is a misleading statement...
http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/.../palin-rumors/
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-obamacain8-2008jun08,0,543931.story
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/118609.php
http://www.obama-mccain.info/compare...stem-cells.php
You want more?
So like I was saying:
You explained nothing...you just linked the same bull as every other idiot on the forum.
http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/.../palin-rumors/
Be suree to read that so you can see that posters like boutons and ploto are either liars...or just incredibly stupid people who don't bother to check information not gained on liberal blogs.
Funny thing is...her daughter recieved sex education in school
the boyfriend must have missed the day that they put condoms on bananas though.
Taught by religious ins utions.
Why are some people so intent on teaching these religious principles in public schools. Aren't they teaching them to their own children in their own homes and churches?
That is why I choose to send my child to a religious and academic school. He learned all about creationism in theology but also about the principles of evolution in biology. I, as well as his school, have no problem merging the two. If I sent him to public school I would have no right to expect them to teach him about creationism. That is the job of parents and religious ins utions.
Just like prayer. My child is led in prayer in school all the time. It is part of the expected routine in a religious school. But I would have no right to expect a public school to impose a prayer time on all the students. If my child wanted to pray to himself quietly before he started a test, no one should stop him- that is freedom of religion. But it is not the role of the public school to impose specific religious practices on anyone. That is my job as a parent and my chosen church, synagogue, or mosque.
The article I posted came from CNN.
Well, I agree. But my point was that some creationists argue that if science is a theory that can't be proved, why are we teaching that and not religion in the classroom as well?
Baseline bum correctly pointed out that there is a distinction between theory and faith, something that I was overlooking. You can't really do an experiment to test a faith based assertion or belief, the way you can with science.
Great.
Then I think you and Palin are in agreement.
I pretty much think that anyone that refuses to believe in a higher power is of lesser intelligence and intellectual capacity.
The reason I think this is that man is the only creature on this entire planet that conceives of such things. It's what sets us apart from animals...
And we've concieved of such things for as long as we've been men.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/1753326.stm
http://www.apollon.uio.no/vis/art/20...python_english
In fact it's possible we concieved of such things before we were men:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3047383.stm
It doesn't take intellectual capacity to not believe something you can't see exists...every animal does it...and infant does it. Every single celled organism does it.
It's a very childlike and primitive view.
More importantly with regards to America...
The first anti-slavery movement in the United States were Fundamentalist Christians...and the ideals in our Cons ution of all men being equal came out of their beliefs as well...
Don't tell me it was liberals that came up with those things....because I am sitting here watching a bunch of liberals base someone's intelligence on their religious beliefs...you guys would have never come up with something like all people being equal...you're too bigoted to do that. In fact you guys can't even tell when someone is being smeared...because it aligns with your bigoted view of reality.
No ...that's why I said this:
Evolution as "theory" is a misnomer as lay people understand the word - evolution exists, it is fact. It must be taught it school. That God created the universe, is something many believers take on faith; some, like myself, do not read Genesis as a literal description of events - others, however, do all of us believers a disservice by reading it as "errrrr. gospel", and using that to promote the wack ideas mentioned in this thread about 10,000 year old earth, children playing with dinosaurs, etc....
However, Governor Palin HAS NOT indicated she is the latter - her actual statements put her more in the camp of the former. Also, after the debate she had, where it came up, she sent out a clarification statement SPECIFICALLY calling for creationism to NOT be required educational material, but that children SHOULD be allowed to discuss their beliefs.
I believe the chances of their existing an "intelligent designer" are at least as great as the chance that from nothing sprang what ulitmately became Michael Phelps, the yo-yo and Gummi Bears.
Which makes more sense? God created us in his image or we created him in ours?
Einstein: "Matter can neither be created nor destroyed".
Fact.
Me: "Where did all of this stuff come from?"
Look, I'm a whole hearted believer in evolution. But you can't prove it, sorry. Theories change (not that I think this one will deviate too radically) over time which is the nature of scientific progress.
If what you say is true, then I'm glad Gov. Palin allows discussion in the classroom and not imposition of creationism.
And I'm glad she's a woman of faith. But what bothers me about her is the discussion of "God's will". I pray that God's will be done, but I don't pretend to know what it is. And some of the comments she makes implies her belief that the Iraq war is in some way part of God's will. That the Alaskan pipeline is God's will.
I would be much more comfortable if she said, "Let God's will be done." Instead of naming specific agenda items as fulfillment of God's plan.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/....qa/index.htmlPalin talked about U.S. troops in Iraq, and she put it this way: "Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that's from God." Even some Pentecostals say that could mean that the U.S. is in a holy war with the Muslim world.
It came from white man in the sky?
ggoose...there is ample evidence of evolution.
I don't get why people think they are opposing ideologies...
By the way, spiritualism is the parent of science, and art,....not the sibling.
There's a bacteria called MRSA that would choose to disagree with you.
evolves; deal with it. Survival of the fittest; strongest survives and reproduces - passing on its genes to the next generation. THIS IS NOT THEORY; THIS IS FACT!!!!!! It is proven over and over again
Did Humans evolve from another creature? THAT is theory, and is not proven. Evolution itself? NOT THEORY - it happens.
Good answer.
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