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Evolution has nothing to do with the ORIGINS OF MAN, that's abiogenesis you ing dumb Christian re s. The Christian right is collectively the DUMBEST group of individuals in America.
No. Read the whole thread. Evolution HAPPENS. It is fact. The only theory that remains is exactly HOW it happens.
And I believe God created everything.
Evolution has nothing to do with the ORIGINS OF MAN, that's abiogenesis you ing dumb Christian re s. The Christian right is collectively the DUMBEST group of individuals in America.
What are you so upset about?
So then...explain abiogenesis.
Aren't you the person who called me a piece of filth?
Now you are lecturing me-- and even moreso JUDGING me and my relationship with God. That is the epitomy of self-righteousness for you to think that it is your job to judge me and whether or not I am a person of faith.You are the one using YOUR criteria to judge who belongs and who does not.
I posted what I did to respond to the person who called me ANTI-GOD and ANTI-RELIGIOUS to show that I am neither.
This is a political discussion and I have the duty to voice my opinions of the POLICY of a person running for office- POLICY with which I do not agree. I do not agree with claiming that it is God's will that people unite to build a pipeline in Alaska. I find that offensive as a person of faith and I have a right to speak out against it. You are just mad because you are Republican and it has nothing really to do with faith at all.
As for your analogy- it is just plain stupid. A person in an art gallery does not particpate, they only spectate. At church I am a participant in the faith life of my community.
Have you ever actually read the bible?
MUCH of it is historically accurate; not fiction.
Jesus was an actual person, who actually walked, talked and had followers. The New Testament is a record of his actions and life. It is, as much as anything else, a biography.
Good, because that is not what Palin said.
How come the bible leaves such holes in their Jesus account? Was he a stoner or a thug or something in his teenage years?
The Dead Sea Scrolls are said to contain some reference to this; the rest of the New Testament was written by his disciples (with some other contributors), and compiled later as a text to represent the substance and intent of his teachings and sacrifice. As his disciples were only such during the final three years of his life; THAT is where the bible has most of its focus.
At some point Democrat partisans in the media will figure out that they are repeatedly scoring on their own goal with this Palin frenzy. Hopefully that realization will come around mid-November.
Away, fact-checking the Palin religion reports:
1) Wasilla A/G is wrapped up in Third Wave: almost true. It is definitely associated with the Prophetic/Apostolic movement in Pentecostalism, which has has serious credibility issues.
2) Wasilla Bible Church is wrapped up in Third Wave: false.
3) Jews for Jesus preach that contemporary violence in Israel is specifically God's judgment for Jews rejecting Jesus: false.
4) Palin believes that the natural gas pipeline and the Iraq war are God's will: false. That was rather ordinary pe ionary prayer language about "God's will" being done in a particular situation.
Let none of this fact-checking dissuade Democrat partisans. Please keep up the attacks. And by all means, when trying to gauge the opinions of suburban American women on Palin, venture no further than Marin, Westchester, and Snohomish Counties for your polling, and when trying to learn about how churchgoers think of her, stick mostly to Episcopal gatherings. I want you to have an accurate picture.
Shhhhh. Don't tell them.
If she had said- "Let God's will be done with regards to this pipeline" I would have no problem with that at all, but that is not what she said. She was giving a lecture and said "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas pipeline built." That is not a prayer. That is a stand on an issue and equating it to God's will.
Why did you leave that part of the prayer out? Kind of makes ES's point, doesn't it?
Who said:
Because every prayer that I've seen people get up in arms about was about as divisive as that one.“Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right”
The New Testament is about as historically accurate as the Old Testament. Both are based LOOSELY on actual events in history, but both are widely known by historians to be more historically relevant in terms of what they tell us about the people who wrote them down, and how those people thought. The NT is mostly a collection of what Jesus' followers thought and believed and wanted people to think about Jesus. The OT is basically mythologies and interpretations about events that actually happened - there was, in fact, a great flood, there was, in fact an exodus of the Hebrew people, but the telling of the stories is fictionalized. Just like in the NT. There was, in fact, a Jesus, but the telling about him is fictionalized.
Absolutely not. It has been pretty clear do ented that Palin has tried to ban books, abuse her authority when in office, make questionable decisions regarding her own safety and family's rights to privacy (not the least of which includes using them to save her own political ass), and I am pretty frightened of what types of Supreme Court justices she'd appoint if McSame dropped dead and she got the chance.
If you believe in freedom of choice -- when it comes to sex, religion, or anything else -- DO NOT VOTE FOR MCSAME AND WACKJOB.
"New Testament"
But the NT is not where the Bible-thumpers make their money.
The $$ are in their fearing and smearing from the OT.
Why is this a fact?
Palin herself said that "we" need to make sure that what we are doing is God's will- that the task is from God- that it is God's will that we are sending people off to fight. We need to make sure it is in God's plan that we are doing this. AGREE. We want to follow God's will in this. We should pray that we are following God's will in this. RIGHT.
She supports the war. She would not support the war if she believed it was against God's will. That is the issue. Public policy decisions should not be made based upon whether or not someone believes something is God's will. I can find plenty of people who think it is not God's will. Terrorists think they are doing God's will, too. That just is not how public policy is made in this country. People have the right to be concerned if a person in power is going to make decisions in that manner.
It also points to an issue that bugs me in general. It is wonderful to pray to follow God's will, but He gave us brains, too. Some people pawn off all the responsibility by saying- I prayed for God's will- but use no sense or action of their own. God gave us free choice and minds to use. You can not just justify anything and everything by saying you prayed for God's will. I have seen people do reckless, careless things for which they did not hold themselves at all personally accountable by saying they prayed it was God's will-- and I guess He did not stop them! That is part of why it bugs me in a public policy discussion. Our government is not intended to be run by pawning all the tough choice off on God, so to speak.
I want to hear intellectual reasons for policy. Do not tell me to pray for God's will- tell me why or why not YOU are doing this- or taking this stand. Tell me why it benefits the country and its citizens to do what you are proposing. You are not a religious leader. You are a mayor, or governor, or senator. Discuss issues in the context of government, not religion.
Boy you have drunk the kool-aid, haven't you. You might want to freshen up your bookmarks; Daily Kos isn't known to be the most reputable source. All of what you mentioned has been discredited - by Newsweek of all publications. Catch up.
For the same reasons it is fact that there was a George Washington.
Did it ever occur to you that she (and many Christians), make decisions, and then pray to God that they are making the right decisions, and for him to help her (them) make those decisions? Just because you have a video of a prayer, and nothing else doesn't mean she didn't have any thoughts prior to that moment in time caught on video.
Damn, how freaking bigoted you lot are - and I KNOW you are a Christian Woman, you have mentioned it. As true as that may be, you must not attend a main-line, Protestant church regularly in this country, because prayers such as these that everybody keeps citing are COMMONPLACE and ones such as them are muttered every week, multiple tiimes, in thousands of churches around this country! Dare I say, they are also asked before meals and bedtimes, as well!!!
BTW. Link (regarding that, and the "fact" that the NT is "loosely based on historical events".
Really, "they" do that.
Like a great Christian man who walked out on his family and justified it because he prayed that he was doing the right thing. You mean- like that?
I guess.
I don't know what you are talking about, and a man prayed that, then I guess he was praying he did the right thing.
I'm sorry, did I ever claim every person who prayed was righteous? If I did, I didn't mean to.
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