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Duncan and Ginobili should be HOFer's.
i like to see Parker there too. but idk if he'll make it.
Manu's, very likely, but not based on his NBA career but more of what he's done internationally.
Dirk, most likely will get in, as an MVP in the NBA and still probably the best international player to date.
AI, yes because he's the best player of his size
Vince Carter and the rest, I don't think so although Robert Horry might get consideration for his Playoff game-winners.
Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, probably not.
Grant Hill would have been a lock if not for the injuries, one of the most wasted careers ever.
I just remembered, Pau Gasol is also very likely for the Hall of Fame becaue of his international play...but he needs to combine it with some NBA rings to get a lock.
Last edited by Allanon; 09-09-2008 at 10:08 PM.
Duncan and Ginobili should be HOFer's.
i like to see Parker there too. but idk if he'll make it.
Dirk = no doubt
Manu = no doubt
Pierce = no way
Vince = no way
uhm... no.6. Kevin Garnett – Coming into the 2007-2008 NBA season, the only knock against KG was that he couldn't be depended upon in crunch time, and thus had never won a championship. Well, if there was any doubt, the ring currently residing on his finger should settle that debate.
+1 Go to their website people, and look up Drazen Petrovic. Manu is a mortal lock at this point. The only thing Drazen had that Manu didn't was third team All-NBA (problem solved) and the WC gold medal, which Manu offset with his Oly gold.
I don't think A.I is a lock but I think he should be, for someone who is only about 5'11 to be able to score 20 + points over defenders that are way bigger than him for so many years he deserves to be rewarded with a hall of fame entry. Manu Ginobili also has to be a lock, he is just such a great player. And maybe in a few years Tony Parker can get in...
According to the HOF scoring system those top 7 Dirk and Webber will definately make it. Pierce, Tmac, and even Lebron are almost in . Parker and Manu are pretty far away and Parker is actually ahead of Manu right now I guess because of his finals MVP.
I would strongly disagree that Manu is far away - despite whatever scoring system is in place by the HOF. In truth, Manu would garner strong HOF consideration on either his international or NBA career resume alone. When factoring them together, he's more than a lock to get in as a first ballot.
Horse . If you believed that Shaq wouldn't be #2 on your list.Personally, I think the HOF should be reserved for the players that gave 110% every time they stepped on the floor, as opposed to those who tended to coast and skate by solely on their ability.
I can't really quarrel with anyone in that top 7 -- Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Iverson, Garnett, Kidd are all mortal locks and Nash's back-to-back MVPs won't be ignored. I think the first 6 are all sure-fire, first-ballot guys, Nash might need an extra year or so to get over the hump.
But I think fans don't understand the huge resumes that it takes to get into the Hall. The notion that Tony Parker is close, to me, is laughable. He's made a couple of All-Star teams and he's won a Finals MVP, but beyond that, Tony's never been All-NBA, he's never led the league in a major statistical category, and he's never been closer to an MVP than 9th (I'll admit, though, that it's still baffling to me that Parker could be 9th in the MVP voting and not make even Third Team All-NBA!). Until Tony has major accomplishments like that, he's not even going to sniff the Hall.
And I don't think you can just say that Tony and Manu are close to each other and that if one's in, so too must be the other. Manu and Tony are similar NBA players, but Manu's international resume (as noted throughout this thread and many others) is substantially better than that of any non-American I can think of. Manu's got Olympic Gold and Bronze (in the Dream Team era) and World Championships Silver. He's been on the All-Tournament team at each of the last 2 WC's and was the MVP of the 2004 Olympic tournament. In the Dream Team era, there's simply no non-American who has put up that sort of a resume in international play.
The scoring system says you basically need a score above 135 to make HOF. Parker currently has a score of 90 and Manu has a score of 85.
I would think manu would be in for sure with all his accomplishments. Just saying if this scoring system is what they use Parker and Manu have got some work to do.
I wouldn't call Horry, Zo or Webber active players.
I would say the following are locks, barring a major scandal:
Duncan
Shaq
AI
Manu
Kobe
KG
Nash
Not real sure about Kidd. If Pierce wins more rings he should be in but still has work to do. When Ray Allen retires, he may be considered the second best 3 point shooter of all time, that could speak volumes. TMac and Vince will not make it. Parker is a long ways away.
First of all, the scoring systems that people have devised are all retrofitted to meet the standards of those who have already been enshrined. I'm not sure about the reliability of the model going forward. In any event, though, the model says who is most like other Hall of Famers and not who should be in the Hall.
With that, if you're relying on the HOF monitor metric at databasebasketball.com, then you have to realize that it doesn't account for international accomplishments and that's the thing that makes Manu so very different. As I've said elsewhere, Tony and Manu are relatively similar NBA players; based on just NBA resumes, neither is likely to get into the Hall of Fame. If you add in their international accomplishments, Manu blows Parker away and that's why he's a no-brainer for the Hall while Parker remains unlikely, IMO, to ever be enshrined.
That makes sense. I hope they both make it.
As a few have already alluded, that would necessitate Bobby Hurley and Christian Laettner being locks for the Hall as well.
Yao Ming & T-mac.
he led the league in scoring 2 yrs in a row, if he makes it past the first round this year, if the whole team is healthy, he doesn't have excuses anyways, he will make it.
Used to like Pierce but its crazy that he makes the HOF now.
Not to set some spur fans off, but i think Parker will make the HOF before Manu, i think you guys underrate Tony, i've been astonished by his level of play since 05'
You know little about the way that voting for the Hall of Fame goes.
I had to pause for awhile upon reading Duncan's Nikes.
And Pierce over Manu is just laughable. It's the Basketball HoF, not NBA. It's amazing what one ring can do to people's perceptions.
Is David eligible this year?
is it a 5 year wait after retirement?
Yes and yes.
http://hoophall.com/ot/bhof-enshrinement.html
ELIGIBILITY
Candidates must meet the following requirements in order to be eligible for Enshrinement into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (hereafter BHOF):
Player: A player must be fully retired for five years before being eligible for Enshrinement. He/she may then be considered for Enshrinement in the sixth year of retirement. Should a player come out of retirement for a short period of time, as defined by the BHOF, his/her case and eligibility for Enshrinement shall be reviewed on an individual basis.
God, Nash being a "lock" for the HOF makes me sick. Who's idea was it to give him back to back MVP's?
DRob, Jordan, and Stockton all should go in this year.
Is David eligible this year?
is it a 5 year wait after retirement?
I still don't see Kidd as a lock. I see him with high chances, but locks to me are TD, Kobe, LBJ, etc.
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