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He's kind of slow to play at the SF position.
And if you look at the other East rivals, Prince, Levron and Pierce are quicker
Raptors To Play Bargnani At Small Forward?
Sep 10, 2008 11:39 AM EST
During a broadcast on the FAN 590 on Tuesday, Raptors president and general manager Bryan Colangelo mentioned that Andrea Bargnani might see some time at small forward this season in a gigantic starting lineup with Chris Bosh and Jermaine O'Neal.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...small_forward/
He's kind of slow to play at the SF position.
And if you look at the other East rivals, Prince, Levron and Pierce are quicker
He's not going to play defense against anyone you put him on so what does it matter?
That might actually work in short stretches.
I still think Bargs is going to be a nice player
Bargnani isn't a low post player. He's like most FIBA players who shun contact, don't play defense and like to launch 3 pointers. But he could be at least as effective as AK47 and add size to that Raptors frontline.
I would take him on the Spurs in a heartbeat.
The sooner the Raptors realize Bustnani is a bust and move on, the better. His upside is a softer version of Austin Croshere.
Might as well, since starting him at center was pretty much a failure.
Agreed. I couldn't believe they didn't take Aldridge or Roy. For all the success Colangelo had drafting in Phoenix, taking Bargnani has proven quite the opposite.
Can you imagine that team with Roy? He was undervalued the way Pierce and Caron Butler were, and a ton of people knew it. Obviously those people weren't the ones making the selections, though...
Way too early to call him a bust. He is only 23, played in the league for only 2 years and he has averaged double digit scoring in both years, including a nice first playoff appearance. Given, he followed that up with a piss poor playoffs, and sub-par year. He has a ton to work on, but he is not a bust.
Here is just a little bit on him. He is not wowing anyone, but he is not a bust:
(From Wiki)
As the mid-season approached, Bargnani was selected as NBA's Eastern Conference Rookie of the Month (January 2007), joining fellow teammate Jorge Garbajosa (winner of the award in December 2006) as the sixth Raptors player to win the monthly honor. Together with Garbajosa, Bargnani was also selected to play in the T-Mobile Rookie Challenge game. After the All-Star break, Bargnani continued to work on his defense and shooting (averaging 14.3 points per game (ppg) and 3.9 rebounds per game (rpg) in 12 games for the month of February 2007), and he was selected as the Eastern Conference Rookie of the Month for the second straight time on 1 March 2007. Bargnani became the third Raptor ever to win the award twice, joining Vince Carter and Damon Stoudamire.
On 21 March 2007, Bargnani underwent emergency appendectomy surgery after being taken to hospital following illness experienced after practice the night before. He recovered after about a month, and ended the season, averaging 11.6 points and 3.9 rebounds per game. His performances were credited as helping the Raptors win their first ever Division le, as well as their first NBA Playoffs berth in five years; Bargnani came in second for NBA Rookie of the Year. In the 2007 NBA Playoffs, Bargnani averaged 11.0 ppg and 4.0 rpg as the Raptors were defeated by the New Jersey Nets 4–2 in the first round. On 8 May 2007, Bargnani and Garbajosa were named to the NBA All-Rookie team.
As a number one overall draft pick, Bustnani is certainly a bust. I've seen him play a whole lot and there is literally not a softer player in the league. Combine that with his poor at ude and that negates whatever talent he has.
He'll be a serviceable player because he's tall and can shoot but he'll never live up to the number one overall billing. And thus, he's a bust.
bargnani is the reason i dislike the raptors he is so hyped over here and has proven nothing...BUST
hes still got time, im not ready to label him a bust, actually i dont really give a .
Trying him out at SF is at least a good idea. Instead of trying to do what doesn't come naturally to him-- muscling shots up inside over guys that are 6'10" or 7'-- he'll be taking jumpers over 6'6"-6'9" guys on the perimeter. It does give the Raptors a huge front line. He has shown he's not a banger, so why not let him try to thrive as a tall swing player?
A bust according to who, you? I watch the Raptors play all the time as well. His rookie year he was runner up for rookie of the year, how much do you want from the first round pick? I mean if you draft a guy number one, you want him to be in the running for ROY, right? He was and he finished second. He averaged double digits and had a very strong playoff showing.
I will go through the list of #1 draft picks (exlcuding this years because the season has not been played) and look at who won rookie of the year and show their stats:
#1 Picks
2007 - Greg Oden
2006 - Andrea Bargnani
2005 - Andrew Bogut
2004 - Dwight Howard
2003 - Lebron James
2002 - Yao Ming
2001 - Kwame Brown
2000 - Kenyon Martin
1999 - Elton Brand
1998 - Michael Olowokandi
1997 - Tim Duncan
Rookies of the year/ runner up
2007 - Kevin Durant/Al Horford
2006 - Brandon Roy/ Andrea Bargnani
2005 - Chris Paul/ Charlie Villanueva
2004 - Emeka Okafor/ Ben Gordon
2003 - Lebron/ Melo
2002 - Amare Stoudemire/ Yao
2001 - Gasol/ Richard Jefferson
2000 - Mike Miller/ Kenyon Martin
1999 - Elton Brand/ Steve Francis
1998 - Vince Carter/ Jason Willams
1997 - Tim Duncan/ Keith Van Horn
Greg Oden you can omit because he was injured, but as you can see a lot of number one picks did not even finish in the top two in ROY voting. The ones that won are the leagues elite. Andrea is not a bust, even by number one standards. Judging by the last ten years of first rounders, he is not all that bad.
Here are the number one draft picks numbers their first two years (because that is all that Bargnani has played):
2007 - Greg Oden DNP
2006 - Andrea Bargnani 24 mpg, 10.8 pts, 3.8 reb, 1 ast 40% FG
2005 - Andrew Bogut 31 mpg, 10.8 pts, 8 reb, 2.6 ast, 54% FG
2004 - Dwight Howard 34 mpg, 13.5 pts, 11 reb, 1 ast, 52% FG
2003 - Lebron James 40 mpg, 24 pts, 6.5 reb, 6.5 ast, 44% FG
2002 - Yao Ming 30 mpg, 15 pts, 8.5 reb, 1.5 ast, 51% FG
2001 - Kwame Brown 18 mpg, 6 pts, 4 reb, .8 ast, 41% FG
2000 - Kenyon Martin 33 mpg, 13 pts, 6 reb, 2 ast, 45% FG
1999 - Elton Brand 38 mpg, 20 pts, 10 reb, 2 ast, 48% FG
1998 - Michael Olowokandi 30 m, 9.5 pts, 8 reb, .5 ast, 43% FG
1997 - Tim Duncan 39 mpg, 21 pts, 11.5 reb, 2.5 ast, 51% FG
So as you can see, after the first two years, he compares ok with most of the first picks. You might be able to nit pick some details, but he fairs well. He has scored double digits in both of his years and he has averaged less minutes in his first two years than all but 1 of the players on the list. This is all with a worse second year than first, which is odd.
Is he an elite first pick? No. Is it way to early to call him a bust, especially when examining this list? Yes. Just because you are a #1 pick does not mean you are supposed to be a hall of famer. It means you should be at the top of your draft class. With the exception of Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, Rudy Gay and Rondo, he is. That is not bad. Being arguably the 5th best player in your draft and being young is a pretty good haul.
You are en led to your opinion I guess, but there is not really any substance behind your claims. I watch a ton of games for every team, and I think he has noticeable talent. Lets wait a few years to pass judgment.
Last edited by DPG21920; 09-11-2008 at 12:24 AM.
If Raptors are smart they trade him until he looses all the value he has left.
it's funny how half of these guys sucked afterwards.
Aint that the truth
Which half, cause they all look like they had pretty good NBA careers to me.
I give it 10 games before o'neal is out for the season
Where are the raptor fans that claimed he'd be better than Dirk?
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