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That took all of 5 seconds...
Palin On Abortion: I'd Oppose Even If My Own Daughter Was Raped
Will you quote that for me please...
Being pro-life doen't mean you impose that view on others!
That took all of 5 seconds...
Palin On Abortion: I'd Oppose Even If My Own Daughter Was Raped
So retired people shouldn't vote then?
LinkSmith said Palin is opposed to abortion, but believes an exception should be made if the health of the mother is in danger.
That's the only exception Palin would make, though, Smith said.
"She doesn't make exception for rape and incest, only for health of the mother," he said.
Joe, you better run for cover. Buddy Holly and NBADunce think you're full of about women deciding this election.
Good point. I haven't really thought all possibilities out. This is a general thought. Most or all should be able to even requiring that they are a tax payer. Remember, Social Security is designed as an insurance. Not a tax. These do become taxable incomes and are not considered a handout. There are probably other good thinghs to be an exception.
In general though, I am opposed to people voting on anything that uses tax dollars if they have no financial burden to it. I fear the day that 50% of the people will get more from the government than they pay for.
Dan, the first article is specifically about if her 14 year old daugher was pregnant. Not someone else. The second one is quotes from her spokesman, and not clearly in context. It looks like it's a replay of talking about her daughter.
I have heard she has spoken out on this as to her beliefs and that she has no intention to impose her views on others.
That's what I want to see from you. Where does she say she wishes to restrict or eliminate other people's choice on the matter?
Please stop acting like I maent something I didn't. I specifically said in the other post "Being pro-life doen't mean you impose that view on others!" Sorry I wasn't more specific, but by "others," I meant people who are not her dependants, of any age.
Posting a poll of men.
Nice support for your "seeing" a poll that showed fewer women supported McCain "after" Palin's speech.
Okay, here's an "actual" poll on the how the women responded after the Palin nomination;
White women flock to McCain over Palin choice, poll reveals
Irish Times ^ | 9/10/2008
Posted on Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:50:00 PM by markomalley
Republican presidential candidate John McCain has gained huge support among white women since naming Sarah Palin as his running mate and now leads Democrat Barack Obama among those voters, according to a survey published yesterday.
The Washington Post/ABC News poll found that much of Mr McCain's surge in the polls since the Republican National Convention is attributable to the shift in support among white women.
The race for the White House is now a virtual tie, with Mr Obama at 47 per cent support of registered voters and Mr McCain at 46 per cent, the poll found.
Before the Democratic National Convention in late August, Mr Obama held an eight point lead among white women voters, 50 per cent to 42 per cent, but after the Republican convention in early September, Mr McCain was ahead by 12 points among white women, 53 per cent to 41 per cent, the poll found <that's a 20 point swing>.
Asked about the findings during a briefing on Monday before the poll was published, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe told a Washington Post reporter, "Well, your poll is wrong.I don't think you'll find many others that back up a 20-point reversal."
He added: "We certainly are not seeing any movement like that. Polls, time to time, particularly on the demographic stuff, can have some pretty wild swings."
Mr McCain surprised the electorate ahead of the Republican convention by naming Ms Palin, the little-known Alaska governor, as his vice-presidential running mate. She received high marks among supporters for her convention address, which included a scathing attack ridiculing Mr Obama's experience and record.
Mr Obama, who would be the first black US president, defeated rival Hillary Clinton in the battle for the Democratic nomination, a long and bitter struggle that left many of the former first lady's supporters disaffected and angry.
Many of her backers were further angered when Mr Obama ignored her in picking a vice-presidential candidate, choosing instead senator Joe Biden.
A key question for the Obama campaign has been whether he would be able to maintain the support of Mrs Clinton's supporters.
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You are being an ignorant bigot.
There are some people under the age of 25 who are a)still in college and b)getting college paid for by mommy and daddy, but the vast majority of college students go to college on student loans which they then work their asses off to pay off, or they work their way through college. Then there's the whole other collection of millions of under 25 year olds who don't go to college.
I don't get Fundamentalists' abortion views:
Even if a woman is raped and pregnant...
Even if a woman is underaged, raped and pregnant...
Even if a woman's life is at risk due to a pregnancy...
According to your views, isn't the fetus still a full fledged human and deserving to be born? Why is it the fault of the fetus that the mother might die?
There's a logical disconnect here. According to your views, if there is a fetus, it should take precedence over any of the woman's desires or needs. In fact, why are we not taking control of what the woman eats or drinks, or her sleeping patterns?
Where do you stop?
It's not a complex view MB;
-life begins at conception (inarguable, there's a scientific concensus on this one)
-human life is sacred
Red Herring arguement, no one argues that the mothers life should be sacrificed for the sake of the baby (often that's the case).Even if a woman's life is at risk due to a pregnancy...
According to your views, isn't the fetus still a full fledged human and deserving to be born? Why is it the fault of the fetus that the mother might die?
Human life is more precious than the selfish ambitions/need of the mother, or the father of the baby that may be pressuring the woman to have the abortion.There's a logical disconnect here. According to your views, if there is a fetus, it should take precedence over any of the woman's desires or needs.
Take the baby to term and drop him or her off at a Safe Haven, or put them up for adoption.
To equate the sanc y of human life with food, sleep or a beverage is ridiculous. No one is trying to regulate these things for women or men.In fact, why are we not taking control of what the woman eats or drinks, or her sleeping patterns?
Where do you stop?
It's unconcionable to terminate a human being for the sake of someone being inconvienced, a human life shouldn't be discarded as if it were no more than a piece of trash.
I'm my own man and I DO believe women will decide this election. My friends, I'm a straight talk express.
There is no doubt at all that women have flocked to Palin and they are one powerful force to be reckoned with.
Oh yeah.
Many get more from the govt than we pay for. Military, roads, bridges, disaster relief, etc. Your thinking doesn't make sense to me. All citizens of voting age have the right to vote.
actually the young people will also decide this election....you know the ones that dont have lan lines...I being one of them.
You didn't answer the question.
If a woman's life is at stake if the baby is carried to term, why is this the fault of the fetus? Anti-choice people run around saying the fetus is alive, then why make this exception? To be logically consistent, you should believe the woman should die and the baby should be allowed to live.
And no, life technically doesn't begin at conception, according to 'scientific consensus'. That's nonsensical in that it doesn't help. In that case life begins in the daddy's scrotum.
That's fallacious, and here's why;
with abortions for convenience (99.999% of all abortions), rape, or incest, both mother and baby can survive, women choose to take the life of the baby.
In the cases where the life of the mother is at stake, only 1 can survive, and the only realistic choice is for the Dr. to save the life of the mother.
Pro-lifers, first and foremost believe in the sanc y of all human life and therfore it would be silly to insist that the Mother, Sister, Daugher, Grandmother, Niece, whatever le(s) the mother of the child may hold, be sacrificed over the baby.
That is not being inconsistent, that is a show of common sense.
And no, life technically doesn't begin at conception, according to 'scientific consensus'. That's nonsensical in that it doesn't help.
The facts are in: life begins at conception
When does human life begin?
The most distinguished scientific meeting of recent years that considered this question in depth was the First International Conference on Abortion, held in Washington D.C., in October 1967. It brought together authorities from around the world in the fields of medicine, law, ethics and social sciences. The first major question considered by the medical group was, "When does human life begin?" Their unanimous conclusion (19-1) <---That, Mr Body, is a concensus> was as follows: "The majority of our group could find no point in time between the union of the sperm and the egg, or at least the blastocyst stage, at which point we could say that this was not human life." They continued, "The changes occurring between implantation, a six-week embryo, a six-month fetus, a one-week child and a mature adult are merely stages of development and maturation." (This quotation is taken from Handbook on Abortion by Dr. J.C. Willke.)
Some More Quotations
"It is now of unquestionable certainty that a human being comes into existence precisely at the moment when the sperm combines with the egg. When the sperm and egg nuclei unite, all the characteristics, such as colour of eyes, hair, skin, that make a unique personality are laid down determinatively." Dr. H. Ratner, Report April 1966.
"From the moment a baby is conceived, it bears the indelible stamp of a separate distinct personality, an individual different from all other individuals." Ultrasound pioneer, Sir William Liley, M.D. 1967.
"The birth of a human life really occurs at the moment the mother's cell is fertilized by one of the father's sperm cells." Life magazine, "Drama of Life before Birth," April 1965.
"A baby who has just been born is not brand new; he already has a life story. Human life begins when the sperm of the father enters the ovum or egg of the mother." The Life Cycle Library for Young People.
"When the sperm and egg fuse, the newly-formed cell has conferred upon it the degree of Sapiens, with all the rights and privileges pertaining." (Note, "Rights and Privileges.") Peter Amenta, Ph.D. Professor of Embryology, Hahnemann Medical School.
"I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at conception. I submit that human life is present throughout this entire sequence, from conception to adulthood, and any interruption at any point throughout this time cons utes the termination of a human life." Dr. A.M. Bongioanni, professor of obstetrics, University of Pennsylvania.
"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into existence. This is no longer a matter of taste or opinion. Each individual has a very neat beginning, at conception." Dr. Jerome Lejeune, genetics professor at the University of Descartes, Paris. He discovered the Down syndrome chromosome.
"It is scientifically correct to say that an individual human life begins at conception." Professor M. Matthews-Roth, Harvard University Medical School.
"By all the criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception." Professor Hymie Gordon, Mayo Clinic.
"I oppose abortion. I do so, first because I accept what is biologically manifest - human life commences at the time of conception - and secondly, because I believe it is wrong to take an innocent human life under any cir stances." Dr. Landrum Shettles, pioneer in sperm biology.
http://www.theinterim.com/1999/oct/15frted.html
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