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at you guys. Niceee...
Like I said, I hope I get a new one sent to me. repairing it..
Like I said, I hope I get a new one sent to me. repairing it..
Question: My gamer profile and achievements. Is that on my memory card or XBox?
am I going to lose it all??
Maybe Sony's starting to catch up for this upcoming Christmas season, but for the past two years the X360 port of a multiplatform game is almost always superior to the PS3 one.
It's on your memory card.
As long as consoles have existed, discussions, debates, arguments, fights, and all out WARS have taken place over who makes the best video game units. Growing up, I was always a Nintendo fan boy; I didn't want to hear anything about Sega Genesis... In my mind, Nintendo had Mario, Zelda, and other great first-party les. Sega had Sonic, and red blood.
Things are slightly more complicated these days however. Console makers are taking different approaches to designing their products; some go for hardcore processing power, others focus more on online gaming. We already have a heated debate going on in our forum about which console is better, PS3 or XBOX 360.
I thought it would be a good idea to ask my friend, who is a lead programmer for a large gaming company that produces games for both PS3 and XBOX 360. He has also worked on PS2, XBOX 1, and PC games in the past 6-or-so years. Obviously, considering his position working with both consoles and both Sony and Microsoft, he doesn't want to step on any toes, so wishes to remain anonymous at this time. Here are his thoughts on the subject:
Being a video game developer (I develop for both, Playstation 3 and XBOX 360) people ask me almost daily which platform I think is better. These are my personal feelings, in no way does this reflect my employer.
Short answer: XBOX 360.
Long answer: Price, performance, visual quality, game selection and online support. I think the XBOX 360 wins in every category.
Price: This is obvious; the XBOX 360 core is only $299. The PS3 is around $499 for the 20GB version. It comes with a hard drive, but you don’t need a hard drive to enjoy a lot of great games on the 360 so I think it’s fair to compare both core systems.
Performance: On paper, the PS3 is more powerful. In reality, it’s quite inferior to the 360. Without getting into too many details, the three general-purpose CPU’s the xbox360 has are currently FAR easier to take advantage of than the SPU’s on the PS3. I suspect a few years down the road some high budget, first party PS3 exclusive les will come out that really take advantage of the SPU’s and do things the XBOX 360 can’t, but I don’t think the console is worth buying based on this speculation (for some it will be though, we'll have to wait and see how these games turn out).
Graphics: The XBOX 360 is a clear winner. The GPU is more powerful. It has more powerful fillrate, and far more pixel and vertex processing horsepower. Part of the reason is their choice of memory, and architecture of pixel and vertex procesing. I can’t get into details but the same vertex shader will run much slower on the PS3 than the XBOX 360. The 360 also has a clever new way rendering high definition anti aliased back buffers. To accomplish the same effect on PS3 is prohibitively expensive. For this reason I think many games will have no choice but to run in non-HD resolutions on the PS3 version, use a lower quality anti aliasing technique, or do back buffer upscaling. The end result in all cases is going to be noticeably worse image quality.
Game Selection: The XBOX 360 has a huge head start here. 1 year is an eternity in gaming. Almost all multi-platform developers have made the XBOX 360 their primary platform due to timing of release-to-market, this means the games will look and perform better on the 360. The PS3 versions will be ports of the 360 versions. (The opposite was true for XBOX 1 vs. PS2). The XBOX 360 is also far faster to develop for due to better development tools (massively popular Visual Studio .NET vs. proprietary, buggy PS3 compiler and debugger), better do entation, and easier architecture (3 general purpose CPU’s vs. 8 specialized processors that require DMA). Timing has also caused all next-gen middleware developers to make XBOX 360 their primary platform, and they will ‘add ps3 support’ as needed. This support will probably be inferior to the XBOX 360’s due to manpower and more importantly, demand. It’s this catch-22 now that will continue to drive the 360 forward and hold PS3 back.
The other obvious point here is that right now the Xbox360 already has a very impressive line-up of les on store shelves; the ps3 just launched, and has virtually nothing of interest. Also, many 360 games are already discounted. PS3 games are all full price since it just launched.
Live: Microsoft’s online support with XBOX1 was phenomenal. They built in-house experience, user base, facilities, $$ commitment from executive level (since it proved successful), and most importantly, feedback from 100,000s of XBOX Live subscribers. Playstation 2’s online support sucked. They are now playing catch-up, trying to emulate Xbox’s model. But they had their hands tied just trying to make the PS3 work, it was incredibly ambitious (blu-ray etc.). I haven’t seen it yet, but I seriously doubt the quality will be anywhere to the level of XBOX 360.
http://www.hardcoreware.net/playstat...ne-year-later/One year later, I am going to don my flamesuit, and take a look at each console. Let’s see if the PS3 has made strides! It’s certainly selling better lately.
-Performance
Here’s a tough one. On paper, the Playstation 3’s Cell engine is more capable than XBOX 360’s triple-core Xenon CPU. However, as our developer alluded to last year, the XBOX 360 is much easier to develop for. In other words, a lot of the Cell’s power is going to waste. Although that is expected to change eventually, as always seems to happen with Sony’s consoles (compare early PS2 games to current games, and the same goes for PS1), one year later we’re still waiting for someone to fully exploit the system. Another indication that the PS3 is harder to develop for is the fact that almost all multiplatform games arrive weeks - if not months - after their 360 versions.
As we said last year, we fully expect the PS3 to win this category - eventually. To what extent, we’re not sure (very likely it’s only going to be the blockbuster first-party les that take full advantage of Cell), and when this will occur, we’re not sure either. Obviously, one full year wasn’t enough.
Graphics
This is a sticky subject for a lot of fanboys. A very common argument in most flame wars is that the Playstation 3 simply “has better graphics”. I’m not sure where that argument came from; Sony obviously did a good job of marketing the system. However, the argument is entirely false. The Xenos GPU on the XBOX 360 is superior the RSX on the PS3. This is one thing that didn’t change in the past year.
Xenos simply has more power - higher fillrate, higher pixel processing power, higher vertex processing power, and better memory architecture. If you look at multiplatform games and contrast the graphics on the two consoles, XBOX 360 almost always leads. Whether they use a higher resolution or higher quality antialiasing, games often look better and/or play smoother on the 360. We looked at a handful of multiplatform games a while back, and this was always the case.
Again, we have to consider that Cell has the potential to help with graphics on the Playstation 3. As developers become more familiar with the platform, they are going to come up with new tricks to help games run smoother, and allow them to look better. However, one year after its introduction we aren’t seeing huge leaps (or even baby steps) towards this, except on a couple exclusive les.
Game Selection
This category has two things to consider; exclusive les for each console, and which console is better to play multiplatform games on. I think we covered the latter issue with the graphics category; given the choice between playing a multiplatform game on either console, the XBOX 360 is almost always better. At the very least, games will look the same on both consoles. At the worst, games on the PS3 will run at half the framerate of the 360, and at lower resolutions with less filtering and antialiasing. Also, multiplatform games are often delayed by weeks or even months on the PS3 (a testament to the difficulty of working with the system). Case in point, The Orange Box. The 2nd best selling XBOX 360 game after Halo 3 in October, and it is nowhere to be seen on the Playstation 3. And by early accounts, it is quite choppy on the Playstation 3.
So what about exclusive les? After all, graphics and performance notwithstanding, this has to be the most important decision to make for most gamers choosing between the two consoles. It has been a full year, and.. well… things aren’t looking too good for the Playstation 3. As ScrewAttack noted in their Top 10 Exclusives for PS3, there aren’t even enough decent games to make a Top 10 list with!
Last edited by balli; 09-07-2008 at 01:00 AM.
It's on Xbox's server end, If you get a new Xbox you can import the account (games profile) over along with all achievements you have unlock. You only lose game saves.
Hopefully.
I don't play Live anymore. I'm on a router that gets internet from about 100 yards away at my uncles house. It's satellite too, and slowww.
So I'll lost my legendary on Halo3? .
What will be on my memory card exactly, does anyone know?
Your profile and all saved games will be stored on the memory card. Any kind of data such as XBox Live won/loss records, stats, etc. will be on XBoxLive servers I believe. Achievements will be on the memory card.
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My friend once sent his in for the ring of death and his girlfriend called him at work that he just got it back, so he invited a few friends over after work to play Madden. Gets home with his friends hook everything up and hit power, it starts and 2 mins. later another ring of death. He was beyond piss.
He called back and they gave him a free game to show they were sorry.
I highly recommend you buy the cooling fan attachment if you don't already have one. It helps prevent the leading cause behind the 'Red Ring of Death'... overheating.
Yep, 360s overheat worse than Paris Hilton on Spanish Fly. If you can't afford a nifty fan attachment, I know people who use everything from bottlecaps to cd-cases to prop it up a bit to allow for good ventilation underneath.
Generally speaking, stacking things on top of it or putting it into a tiny cabinet/enclosure is asking for trouble, too.
What a massive buzzkill
No offense, but I think the cooling fan suggestion is just terrible. From everything I've read those fans draw their power from the 360 itself, thereby forcing the GPU to operate with less power. RROD is already caused by the GPU having to work too hard and thus, overheating, so I don't think you want to be putting an extra burden on the power supply of your 360. If you can find one that draws power froma wall outlet, it might be a good idea, but I've read countless message board threads about RROD that always conclude using an aftermarket fan system is just the pits. Nyko, (the leading fan maker) boasts a 2-10 degree F drop in internal case temperatures, but interestingly they mention nothing about the temp of the GPU and CPU, just the temperature in the case. I'm not convinced.
I agree with the suggestion that you should prop it up to ensure ventilation on all sides. I keep mine on top of a milk crate. Another (extreme) idea is to mod or buy an aftermarket case that essentially quadruples the size of your 360 and allows for awesome ventilation.
I just wouldn't worry about it though. Prop it up and let er' rip, if it dies it dies.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/06/af..._design-2.html
But I've heard people getting their game screwed up by moving the XBox with the game already inside.No offense, but I think the cooling fan suggestion is just terrible. From everything I've read those fans draw their power from the 360 itself, thereby forcing the GPU to operate with less power. RROD is already caused by the GPU having to work too hard and thus, overheating, so I don't think you want to be putting an extra burden on the power supply of your 360. If you can find one that draws power froma wall outlet, it might be a good idea, but I've read countless message board threads about RROD that always conclude using an aftermarket fan system is just the pits. Nyko, (the leading fan maker) boasts a 2-10 degree F drop in internal case temperatures, but interestingly they mention nothing about the temp of the GPU and CPU, just the temperature in the case. I'm not convinced.
I agree with the suggestion that you should prop it up to ensure ventilation on all sides. I keep mine on top of a milk crate. Another (extreme) idea is to mod or buy an aftermarket case that essentially quadruples the size of your 360 and allows for awesome ventilation.
I just wouldn't worry about it though. Prop it up and let er' rip, if it dies it dies.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/06/af..._design-2.html
How come the have a fan on it? Or what looks like a ghost of a fan??
Not that I'm doubting what you've read or heard about the Nyko fans... but a measureable decrease in the case temperature does actually reflect the fact that the convection coefficient inside the XBox 360 is higher. That means that the radiant heat from the electronic components is being removed at a higher rate (but not necessarily more efficiently in terms of power consumption).No offense, but I think the cooling fan suggestion is just terrible. From everything I've read those fans draw their power from the 360 itself, thereby forcing the GPU to operate with less power. RROD is already caused by the GPU having to work too hard and thus, overheating, so I don't think you want to be putting an extra burden on the power supply of your 360. If you can find one that draws power froma wall outlet, it might be a good idea, but I've read countless message board threads about RROD that always conclude using an aftermarket fan system is just the pits. Nyko, (the leading fan maker) boasts a 2-10 degree F drop in internal case temperatures, but interestingly they mention nothing about the temp of the GPU and CPU, just the temperature in the case. I'm not convinced.
I agree with the suggestion that you should prop it up to ensure ventilation on all sides. I keep mine on top of a milk crate. Another (extreme) idea is to mod or buy an aftermarket case that essentially quadruples the size of your 360 and allows for awesome ventilation.
I just wouldn't worry about it though. Prop it up and let er' rip, if it dies it dies.
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/06/af..._design-2.html
I think it replaces the fan that comes with the original case, so I don't think it adds any extra power consumption to the motherboard. Just to be clear though, I would never get one of those cases. Just an extreme suggestion to show how far you could go to prevent RROD.
As far as the Nyko's go, yeah, I don't want to entirely discount their effectiveness, but I figure it's just a crapshoot anyway you go, so you might as well just ride the wave and hope nothing goes wrong.
I got the 3 red lights a while back, sent in my old console and instead of fixing that one, got a brand new one back in less than 2 weeks. I guess living in central Texas helped since the repair center is close by.
That's the only complaint I can come up with concerning my xbox. The games have been great, no framerate issues, and everything looks lovely on my 52 inch LCD screen with the HDMI connection. To this day I'm still amazed by how great the games look and play.
My launch 360 still going strong after thousands of hours and many-a-10 hour session
I hope for a new one too. Mine is first generation my friend said, and is pretty worn out.
I've only redringed once, then I tried to turn it back on, and it had the lights that meant it wasn't plugged in correctly. I re-plugged everything, then the redring showed up again. I then threw my Rock Band drumsticks and chipped them.
So don't move it while it's turned on, or especially while it's running a game.
I've heard similar stories from friends that tried to move it with a game running, and they said when they pulled the disc out it had scorch marks from the laser. Probably bull , but interesting nonetheless.
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