There is a big difference between Gist and Watkins. Gist, if signed, was likely going to make the team. Watkins is not going to make the team unless he beats someone out. Do you really see the Spurs keeping Thomas, Oberto, Bonner, Tolliver, Mahinmi and Watkins along with TD at the bigmen positions?
Three young bigs plus Gist in the pipeline seems excessive ... especially when Mahinmi, Watkins and Gist are all relatively similar players. For that reason, I think Mahinmi versus Watkins is the matchup we'll see for a roster spot. Mahinmi has a major advantage but I don't see another way for Watkins to make the team unless he outplays Mahinmi.
Is Mahinmi untouchable or not? Do you hold firm on your previous opinion that Mahinmi will not only make the Spurs but stay on the active roster all year?
Just want to get your quote on paper . . .
Yeah, I said that in this thread. He didn't look good in summer league. Then again, neither did Mahinmi and Mahinmi was being featured. Watkins was coming off the bench.
What is more important, Mahinmi's D-League play or his Summer League play? Even though Ian had a sub par SL, he was still 37th in scoring with 14 pts, 5th in rebounding with 9 a game. If 14 and 9 comes with playing uninspired then that is not all that bad.
You could argue that his play and determination he showed with the Toros was enough for the Spurs to say he deserves a chance. He might be bored and anxious, which would explain his "uninspired" SL performance. I highly doubt anyone, especially a rookie, will be competing with Ian for a roster spot. The only way I see Ian not being on the roster is if they trade for another veteran or get a solid piece by including him in a trade.
And I don't see how it makes your theory that Spurs not signing Gist and signing Watkins are both signs that Spurs thinks that Mahinmi suck.
I've understood that you think that Mahinmi is a scrub. I have no problem with that.
FACTS don't show that Spurs think like you (they also don't show that Spurs think than Mahinmi is a stud), just stop twisting them and making assumptions that whatever Spurs do, it's a sign that they are low on Mahinmi.
Spurs usually keep 6 bigs, 5 on the active roster and 1 on IL (in Austin).
The way I see the situation is :
- Duncan, Oberto, Bonner, Thomas and Mahinmi will be on the active roster.
- Tolliver and Watkins will fight for the 6th spot.
IMHO, it's the more logical way to see the situation. Your assumption that eh fight will be between Mahinmi and Watkins because they are similar players makes few sense :
- Mahinmi and Watkins aren't that similar aside of being young and athletic.
- Given Spurs' weaknesses (old and unathletic). Having 2 young athletic bigs isn't a luxury.
- Bonner and Tolliver are very similar. If Spurs cut one player because he is redundant with another, it will likely be Tolliver.
I think that Mahinmi will make the team and will only be on the inactive roster if he is injured.
Mahimni is clearly a bust i don't get why the likes of Bottomtooth, Bruno, Brutalis and all other "B" name posters don't get over it already... and btw... this is what i think... my wish is he turns out to be the new Amare Stoudamire without injuries...
A member of the CoM trashing a French player ?
What a surprise!
You are getting into a territory i didn;t bring to the table... it seems you didn;t have a fair answer to what i said that you had to attack me this way... i am part of the CoT as well.. so this is not about nationality mate... i can speak french and have lived in Paris... weird thing.. the only friends i made there were Croatian and German...
Link to where I said Mahinmi sucks? Don't turn exaggerating emo on me just because I said there is a very unlikely possibility the Spurs trade Mahinmi.
Saying that if Watkins outplays Mahinmi that could lead to Mahinmi being traded isn't saying Mahinmi sucks. Go read my posts again.
Link to where I've said he's a scrub? I'm actually on the Start Mahinmi bandwagon. If you've followed my posts, I've said I want Pop to start Mahinmi the first few months of the season to see if he can blossom. Why would I want the Spurs to start someone who I think is a scrub and sucks?
That said, you can't tell me you weren't disappointed with Mahinmi's summer league play.
Again, where did I say the Spurs were low on Mahinmi? You are exaggerating what I've said in this thread.
I disagree.
Outside of the Big Three, I don't think the Spurs would hesitate to move anyone else. If the Spurs invite another defensive specialist to camp and he thoroughly outplays Bowen, I'd expect the Spurs to shop Bowen. Same with any of the other players. The Spurs have proven over and over again that loyalty isn't their main concern ... winning is.
We are all rooting for Mahinmi to be a very good player but he is far from untouchable. I can imagine several scenarios where the Spurs decide to trade Mahinmi. Obviously I hope it doesn't come down to that but to pretend Mahinmi is David Robinson, Jr. is just as ludicrous as saying Mahinmi won't make the team.
I hope you are right. I think chances right now are 50/50 that you are right but we'll see.
The biggest strike against him is his summer league play. George Hill went from surefire backup point guard who can make an impact right away to maybe not even being signed after a so-so summer league. After Mahinmi's so-so summer league, it'd be naive to think the Spurs are going to hand him a rotation spot on a silver platter.
I know since I am the one that bring it on the table.
There is nothing to answer or to argue. You think that Mahinmi is a scrub, it's your right. Future will tell if he isn't or not that.
No you aren't.
I guess it explains why you hate French people.so this is not about nationality mate... i can speak french and have lived in Paris... weird thing.. the only friends i made there were Croatian and German...
Bruno turning into the typical international (or as sequ would say, foreigner) Spurs fan.
Rooting for the player simply because he is from you same nationality.
Shame . . .
Shame . . .
Shame . . .
Your comment makes little sense . . .
The fact that some Argies hate Parker does not mean that those same Argies would hate any French player.
So you think that Mahinmi is a good prospect ?
Time to choose your camp.
I was but you have to put things in perspective. Mahinmi wasn't a disaster and it was only SL.
You said that Spurs brought Watkins, a below average young player, to compete with Mahinmi. I don't know how you can say that you didn't say that Spurs are low on Mahinmi after that.
You're damn lame to misquote me.
And the only untouchable is Duncan. Parker and Ginobili can be traded for the right deal.
I don't think that Hill not signing is only because of the SL. It seems to be Spurs' way to sign rookies damn late in the off-season. Hairston also hasn't signed with Spurs.
Mahinmi will have the playing time he deserves. If he sucks, he won't play. Saying that, Spurs roster isn't overcrowded and if he isn't horrible, he will be at least Spurs' 5th bigman.
Last edited by Bruno; 09-11-2008 at 04:17 PM.
Wrong. I don't root for Mahinmi only because he is french.
It's true that if Mahinmi wasn't French, I wouldn't know him well and I wouldn't root for him. However, I don't root for all French players. I don't like some of them or find that they suck.
And US fans have also some affinity with players from their city or college.
I think Mahinmi is a prospect with potential who is largely unknown. I don't think anyone, including the Spurs, know whether he's going to be good or whether he's going to fail out of the NBA.
At this point, either scenario is possible. Although I think the Spurs at least give Mahinmi this year and next to prove he belongs. But if he quits basketball like Jackie Butler or shows bad at ude and work ethic like Beno Udrih, the Spurs will ship his azz out.
It's hard for me to agree with the "only SL" part. The Spurs value summer league as much or more than any team in the NBA. Looking at their history, one could argue the Spurs put more stock in summer league than preseason play when it comes to evaluation.
I said compete but I also said Mahinmi has a great chance to win that compe ion. Do you think Mahinmi is above having to compete for a job? I don't.
The Spurs bring in players to compete against other players all the time. I'm sure there will be point guards brought in to compete against Vaughn and Hill. I'm sure there will be swingmen brought in to compete against Udoka. That doesn't mean I think those players who brought in have much of a chance of knocking out the in bent.
You've misquoted me about a dozen times in this thread.
You're damn lame to misquoted me.
I don't remember a time the Spurs waited this long to sign a rookie unless 1) they wanted the rookie to take as little money as possible because they thought the rookie might suck 2) they thought the rookie sucked.
I'd put Hairston in that second category.
What if he sucks and the other bigs play well in training camp? Do you think the Spurs would consider trading him?
Personally, if the option is 5th big or another season in Austin, I hope the Spurs and Mahinmi pick another season in Austin. Get spot minutes in the NBA won't help much. Another year in Austin where he's the focal point would be very good for his development.
If he's on the active roster, I want him to have an active roll. Having him rot this season doesn't help anyone.
Ok... stating i am a CoM member only and use it as an excuse for the way i think about Mahmni shows what u r all about...
read my original post Bruno.. you'll find i have the best wishes for him
Check my signature.. the words stating that I DO love Tony have been there for about an year or more... you're just frustrated and are being rude with me for giving my opinion on Mahimni and your stubbornness with him
I don;t hate them... we just think differently.. and there's more to that... My first day in Paris i saw them making fun of american people asking for directions in english, or giving him the WRONG instructions!!! i ran and told the americans about it and they told me they have been struggling all week like that... the locals are always pretending they don;t understand... what made me think funny of them was that they have (at least in Paris) this know it all tude that sucks... the cool guys are all from Morocco or Senegal... people from other parts of France i have met are really cool though...I guess it explains why you hate French people.
I repeat; i LOVE TP and i wish the best for the NT as well
Get over what exactly?
the fact that he won;t ever make the team...
He made it last year.
That's why they let Gist signing overseas...
IMO, the value put in SL by Spurs depends on the player. Mahinmi has had a lot of success in D-League last year and Spurs turn down some trade offers for him. I doubt a so-so SL is enough to put him at the level of Watkins.
I don't think that Mahinmi has to compete for a roster spot with Watkins or Tolliver.
Disagree, players are brought to have enough bodies for training camp practices/games.
If my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle...
Spurs had to pick a team option for the 2009-2010 season before the end of the training camp. If Mahinmi sucks ass, they could decide not to pick the option and trade him. Everything is possible...
Now, if the deadline for the option was tomorrow, I truly think Spurs would pick the option.
Given Spurs bigs, I can imagine 5 bigs getting playing time.
IMO, 3 bigs (Ducan, Thomas and Oberto) will consistently be in the rotation. Bonner and Mahinmi will be the 4th big depending on matchups.
If Mahinmi is decent, he could easily average 20mpg over 40 games. It will be way better for him than the D-League.
That arrangement was made before the draft.
So did Marcus Williams, Keith Langford and DerMarr Johnson ... and the Spurs waived all three of those players.
Oh and Kris Lang put up impressive stats in D-League too and that guy can barely be regarded as a basketball player.
Link to the specific trades?
I doubt that as well. That's why I never said that.
So your answer is yes, you believe Mahinmi is above having to earn a roster spot. 'Tis all I was asking.
Tell that to Darius Washington and Beno Udrih. Or Jaren Jackson and Vinny Del Negro.
So the chances of Mahinmi sucking are as remote as the chances of your aunt having balls?
See ... it wasn't that hard to say.
So do I.
Only way Mahinmi averages 20 minutes per game is if he'd start. And if he was averaging 20 minutes a game, that wouldn't be what I was talking about in the first place.
Would you rather Mahinmi play as much as Bonner did last year in the NBA or play for the Toros?
Nice self ownage.
You've just destroy your theory that Gist hasn't signed with Spurs because Spurs didn't have a D-League spot for him because of hill and Mahinmi sucking in SL.
Having success in D-League when you are 21 years old, 6'11" and athletic is way more interesting for a NBA team than when you're old, unathletic and undersized.
Some scouts have said very good things on Mahinmi when he was in the D-League and Buford said that other teams have also noticed Mahinmi good season.
Almost. And it's Mahinmi sucking and Watkins playing well.
Bonner played 853 min last year, Mahinmi played 1360 min in D-League.
853min in NBA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1360 min in D-League
Last edited by Bruno; 09-11-2008 at 05:45 PM.
Interesting, TiMVP, do you actually have a source that it was pre-arranged when Gist was drafted that he would go to Europe. I'd be very interested if it was mentioned in an article somewhere that you could quote...
I can actually see Mahinmi starting if he shows nearly anything. Duncan isn't really the guy you want to be running, and every other big on the roster is slower than him (Oberto, KT for certain, and I think Bonner and Tolliver as well). Currently, the only options for mobile bigs are Mahinmi and Watkins... If I am the FO, I want to put a faster pairing of big out there than Duncan/KT...
BS, if Mahinmi can show half of what Bruno and Bottomtooth says, then we should be good.
Pisses me off that we could have had CDR, Chalmers, or Arthur with that first pick.
Mouse wheres that nuclear explosion pic?
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