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    Palin Links Iraq to 9/11, A View Discarded by Bush
    By Anne E. Kornblut
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, September 12, 2008; Page A01


    FORT WAINWRIGHT, Alaska, Sept. 11 -- Gov. Sarah Palin linked the war in Iraq with the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, telling an Iraq-bound brigade of soldiers that included her son that they would "defend the innocent from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the death of thousands of Americans."

    The idea that Iraq shared responsibility with al-Qaeda for the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, once promoted by Bush administration officials, has since been rejected even by the president himself. On any other day, Palin's statement would almost certainly have drawn a sharp rebuke from Democrats, but both parties had declared a halt to partisan activities to mark Thursday's anniversary.

    "America can never go back to that false sense of security that came before September 11, 2001," she said at the deployment ceremony, which drew hundreds of military families who walked from their homes on the sprawling post to the airstrip where the service was held.


    Palin's return to Alaska coincided with her first extensive interview since she became the Republican vice presidential nominee. In the interview, with ABC News correspondent Charlie Gibson, Palin struggled when asked to define the "Bush doctrine" on foreign policy, leading to repeated follow-up questions from Gibson about whether she believed in the right to "anticipatory self-defense" and crossing other nations' borders to take action against threats.

    "I believe that America has to exercise all options in order to stop the terrorists who are bent on destroying America and our allies," she said after several questions on the topic. "We have got to have all options out there on the table."
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    It's like I've been saying for days, after the Palin luster wears thin, the McCain camp better start running on real issues or they are gonna get beat into the dirt...

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    Palin Links Iraq to 9/11, A View Discarded by Bush
    By Anne E. Kornblut
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, September 12, 2008; Page A01




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    It's like I've been saying for days, after the Palin luster wears thin, the McCain camp better start running on real issues or they are gonna get beat into the dirt...
    OMG.

    She didn't struggle during the interview. She asked for claity in the question and answered very well. Also, show me how her words say that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. They don't.

    Just another political hack piece Propaganda Dan!

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    Actually its a pretty ing big deal, because like i said, everyone knows the ramifications for an attack on a NATO member, cheney knows it, you know it, i know it, but where has a politician actually connected the dots and said what she said. Find me some quotes. It's an obvious, but pretty bold statement. AHF, you not understanding that, is stupid.
    Her response was skating the edge of the rhetoric spectrum. Pretty bold, requires balls. You not undestanding that, AHF, is pretty stupid.
    No, you not understanding that she cited a clause in the NATO treaty and acknowledged it instead of embarking in some political grab ass non-answer bull is stupid.

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    Palin Links Iraq to 9/11, A View Discarded by Bush
    By Anne E. Kornblut
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, September 12, 2008; Page A01




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    It's like I've been saying for days, after the Palin luster wears thin, the McCain camp better start running on real issues or they are gonna get beat into the dirt...
    Well, it's worked for Obama so far...

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    No, you not understanding that she cited a clause in the NATO treaty and acknowledged it instead of embarking in some political grab ass non-answer bull is stupid.
    And in doing so, she proved she already knows more about international politics and law than Obama... Who doesn't relize Russia can veto the UN sactions they might vote for!

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    OMG.

    She didn't struggle during the interview. She asked for claity in the question and answered very well. Also, show me how her words say that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. They don't.

    Just another political hack piece Propaganda Dan!


    So you honestly think she knew what he was talking about? You could tell by her body language she didn't know. She tried to offset the question by making up.

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    OMG.

    She didn't struggle during the interview. She asked for claity in the question and answered very well. Also, show me how her words say that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. They don't.

    Just another political hack piece Propaganda Dan!
    I thought she struggled mightily with that question.

    It sounded like she had no idea what it was and her answer sounded like she didn't support the BD, rather, preemptive war instead.

    That's what I got from it.

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    Palin Links Iraq to 9/11, A View Discarded by Bush
    By Anne E. Kornblut
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, September 12, 2008; Page A01




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    It's like I've been saying for days, after the Palin luster wears thin, the McCain camp better start running on real issues or they are gonna get beat into the dirt...
    Just to clarify, I meant McCain or Obama. Ya know, the guys at the top of the ticket!

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    No, you not understanding that she cited a clause in the NATO treaty and acknowledged it instead of embarking in some political grab ass non-answer bull is stupid.
    ROFL
    her entire interview was rife with political grab ass non answer bull , you really didn't even bring yourself to watching it did you?

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    So you honestly think she knew what he was talking about? You could tell by her body language she didn't know. She tried to offset the question by making up.
    Are we talking about the same video?

    When he asked if she approved of the Bush Doctrine, she asked which part. We are talking about a complex subject here that clealy cannot be a simple yes/no answer. I though she handlered herself quite well, although it took her some effort to get him to give her a valid question!

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    Are we talking about the same video?

    When he asked if she approved of the Bush Doctrine, she asked which part. We are talking about a complex subject here that clealy cannot be a simple yes/no answer. I though she handlered herself quite well, although it took her some effort to get him to give her a valid question!


    I think she knew Gibby was talking about "pre-emptive strike" but was just trying to be cautious and get him to come out and say it.

    It might have been a small mistake, but I doubt she ends up looking foolish with regard to it in the long run.

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    I think she knew Gibby was talking about "pre-emptive strike" but was just trying to be cautious and get him to come out and say it.

    It might have been a small mistake, but I doubt she ends up looking foolish with regard to it in the long run.
    It looked like she was trying to agree with the BD and preventive war but ended up giving the traditional stance on going to war.

    An unclear answer coupled with her asking for clarity/stalling made it look like she had no idea what she was talking about, IMO.

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    And in doing so, she proved she already knows more about international politics and law than Obama... Who doesn't relize Russia can veto the UN sactions they might vote for!
    Obama was asking for a resolution, not sanctions
    Obama pushes for U.N. resolution on Russia
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    HONOLULU, Aug. 11 (UPI) -- The international community must push Russia to pull its military forces out of Georgia, Democratic U.S. presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Monday.
    The United States, Europe and other concerned countries "must stand united," the U.S. senator from Illinois told reporters while vacationing in Hawaii.

    "It is a clear violation of (Georgia's) sovereignty and recognized borders," Obama said.

    He said he would continue to push for a United Nation resolution regarding a cease-fire in Georgia.
    D'OH
    McCain calls for U.N. resolution against Russia
    By Klaus Marre
    Posted: 08/11/08 11:02 AM [ET]
    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on Monday called on the United Nations Security Council to condemn Russia’s aggression against Georgia.

    “We should move ahead with the resolution despite Russian veto threats, and submit Russia to the court of world public opinion,” McCain said in Erie, Pa.

    Apart from a Security Council resolution calling for a cease-fire and condemning Russia’s aggression, NATO should begin “discussions on both the deployment of an international peacekeeping force to South Ossetia and the implications for NATO's future relationship with Russia, a Partnership for Peace nation,” the Arizona senator stated.

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    It looked like she was trying to agree with the BD and preventive war but ended up giving the traditional stance on going to war.

    An unclear answer coupled with her asking for clarity/stalling made it look like she had no idea what she was talking about, IMO.
    She was towing the typical Republican line....trying to justify the decision for war.

    I think she's got a much more reasonable approach to foreign relations, regardless of what some might say about the loaded hypothetical and some on here focusing on the "war with Russia" thing being taken out of context and not explained fully.

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    Dude, she even lied about being in the PTA...

    This appears to have been a somewhat inaccurate statement. Sarah Palin has referred to herself as a “PTA mom” for so long that I just assumed it was true. Having been active in PTA since 1996, I assumed that she was an officer before that. Even McCain, when announcing her as his running mate, referred to her executive experience in PTA. But the Alaska State PTA office says it has no record of Sarah Palin ever having been a PTA board member; they do record that she paid dues.”

    Geez, no way, even that’s a lie? I did read the timetable didn’t work out but didn't bother to debunk it, who would lie about being a PTA mom?? That’s like lying about volunteering at a VA hospital or something.
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    Another say anything politician that thinks records didn't exist before she came along..

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    I personally have seen enough from her to not respect her opinion on foreign affairs. Judging by this first interview I am more qualified on foreign affairs than she is. This should not be the case in our vice presidential nominees. I'm not that smart

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    Dude, she even lied about being in the PTA...



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    Another say anything politician that thinks records didn't exist before she came along..
    She never said she was an officer in the PTA or counted it as executive experience....she just used it in her bio.

    Just like she never said she sold the jet on eBay....she just said she "put it on eBay".

    If anything, that should be a criticism of McCain and his campaign for not getting the nuances of the story correct.

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    Are we talking about the same video?

    When he asked if she approved of the Bush Doctrine, she asked which part. We are talking about a complex subject here that clealy cannot be a simple yes/no answer. I though she handlered herself quite well, although it took her some effort to get him to give her a valid question!


    She didn't ask "which part?". She didn't understand what he meant by The Bush Doctrine and took it to mean that he was referring to Bush's world view.

    "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?"

    "In what respect, Charlie?"

    "The Bush -- well, what do you interpret it to be?"

    "His world view?"


    "No, the Bush Doctrine, enunciated in September 2002, before the Iraq war."

    "I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are -bent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership -- and that's the beauty of American elections, of course, and democracy, is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better."
    I like the talk about the beauty of American elections in response to the question about The Bush Doctrine.



    "But industry my friends...that was a revolution!"

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    More excerpts

    GIBSON: Let me talk a little bit about environmental policy, because this interfaces with energy policy and you have some significant differences with John McCain. Do you still believe that global warming is not man-made?

    PALIN: I believe that man's activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming, climate change. Here in Alaska, the only arctic state in our union, of course, we see the effects of climate change more so than any other area with ice pack melting. Regardless, though, of the reason for climate change, whether it's entirely, wholly caused by man's activities or is part of the cyclical nature of our planet -- the warming and the cooling trends -- regardless of that, John McCain and I agree that we gotta do something about it and we have to make sure that we're doing all we can to cut down on pollution.

    GIBSON: But it's a critical point as to whether or not this is man-made. He says it is. You have said in the past it's not.

    PALIN: The debate on that even, really has evolved into, OK, here's where we are now: scientists do show us that there are changes in climate. Things are getting warmer. Now what do we do about it. And John McCain and I are gonna be working on what we do about it.

    GIBSON: Yes, but isn't it critical as to whether or not it's man-made, because what you do about it depends on whether its man-made.

    PALIN: That is why I'm attributing some of man's activities to potentially causing some of the changes in the climate right now.

    GIBSON: But I, color me a cynic, but I hear a little bit of change in your policy there. When you say, yes, now you're beginning to say it is man-made. It sounds to me like you're adapting your position to Sen. McCain's.

    PALIN: I think you are a cynic because show me where I have ever said that there's absolute proof that nothing that man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any affect, or no affect, on climate change.
    My question is if global warming is not man-made, what policies is Palin thinking that her and McCain could put in place to keep the planet from getting warmer?

    Also, her comments don't make sense in light of an interview she just gave two weeks ago to NewsMax (conservative news organization).
    NewsMax: What is your take on global warming and how is it affecting our country?

    Palin: A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. I'm not one though who would attribute it to being man-made.

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    This woman ing confuses me. She is taking flip-flopping to a whole new level.

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    I guess people see what they want to see. Just remember, your messiah thinks the best way to deal with Russia invading Georgia is to get the UN Security Council to pass a resolution. Did he not know they have veto power? And he's on the top of the ticket.
    Last edited by SnakeBoy; 09-12-2008 at 01:31 AM.

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    I guess people see what they want to see. Just remember, your messiah thinks the best way to deal with Russia invading Georgia is to get the UN Security Council to pass a resolution. Did he not know they have veto power? And he's on the top of the ticket.

    I guess your one of those people huh? I'll re-post for Mr. Peabody. (Nice pwnt by the way Mr. Peabody)

    Originally Posted by UPI

    Obama pushes for U.N. resolution on Russia
    Published: Aug. 11, 2008 at 7:08 PM
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    HONOLULU, Aug. 11 (UPI) -- The international community must push Russia to pull its military forces out of Georgia, Democratic U.S. presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Monday.
    The United States, Europe and other concerned countries "must stand united," the U.S. senator from Illinois told reporters while vacationing in Hawaii.

    "It is a clear violation of (Georgia's) sovereignty and recognized borders," Obama said.

    He said he would continue to push for a United Nation resolution regarding a cease-fire in Georgia.
    McCain calls for U.N. resolution against Russia
    By Klaus Marre
    Posted: 08/11/08 11:02 AM [ET]
    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on Monday called on the United Nations Security Council to condemn Russia’s aggression against Georgia.

    “We should move ahead with the resolution despite Russian veto threats, and submit Russia to the court of world public opinion,” McCain said in Erie, Pa.

    Apart from a Security Council resolution calling for a cease-fire and condemning Russia’s aggression, NATO should begin “discussions on both the deployment of an international peacekeeping force to South Ossetia and the implications for NATO's future relationship with Russia, a Partnership for Peace nation,” the Arizona senator stated.

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    I've recognized your stupidy a long time ago. I'm sure you'll be the first to enlist to go to war against Russia.


    No way he is the pussie who sits at home typing pro war on his computer as others go off to war.

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    at "In what respect, Charlie?" Seriously, that's usually a pretty reliable stall tactic if you get caught blanking on a subject.

    101A and company really nailed that whole "keeping the powder dry" theory on unleashing the Palin brilliance upon the world.

    cram harder.
    Not knowing the label "Bush Doctrine" is unfortunate, but understandable. She has, in fact, been a mayor, and the governor of Alaska; NOT a veep or presidential candidate. Today, she knows what it is; and, if elected, she has another, what, 4 months to get up to speed.

    I thought she acquitted herself quite well, but you knew I would think that.

    The only other politician who has been grilled at anything LIKE the level Gibson is going at her was, amazingly enough, Obama with O'Reilly. Of course, those interviews, and Obama's weaknesses (although not prevalent, there were some), are not being trumpeted 24/7 on the major news networks.

    In an ENTIRE day of interviews, with a person that has been on the national scene for all of TWO weeks, I thought she showed incredible metal and mental. Her answers were direct, usually, when appropriate, and more evasive (Pakistan incursion), when they needed to be.

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    I personally have seen enough from her to not respect her opinion on foreign affairs. Judging by this first interview I am more qualified on foreign affairs than she is. This should not be the case in our vice presidential nominees. I'm not that smart

    Yeah, and you went into it with an open mind....

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