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He should know how to fly a fighter jet though...
Yes
No
Doesn't matter.
Take yer pick.
He should know how to fly a fighter jet though...
For sure and know better than to copy your spouse.
Of course not? Why would we want a president who's competent in carrying out basic tasks? ing educated elitists, what with their e-mail and all.
not really, but knowing how to spell should be
No. Just pick up some community organizer off the streets and let him do the work.
"Shoule the next president know how to send an email? "
I guess. Don't confuse tpyos with an inability to spell "should", or for that matter, the ability to capitalize the first word in a sentence and end it with a period.
This is what it's come to for Camp Obama? Can't talk economy, international affairs, social security, etc. because he doesn't have a plan, so they have to resort to stupid attacks about whether or not McCain checks his email?
Change? Obama's just another political from the left.
He's really reaching with this one.
In case you're curious as to how STUPID this is.
Bill Clinton sent 2 emails while president.
George Bush many many more.
Now, does this topic REALLY need to be discussed, considering a President's staff has more than enough people to print out any email he actually needs to read, and he'd be dictating everything outgoing anyway. As long as he recycles the shredding for the printouts, I don't see a problem.
Random Guy is secretly Barack Obama?
Yeah and McCain sure has been issue focused lately- god knows lipstick and lies about Obama trying to protect kids from sex predators are just the issues that matter to America most right now.
Before secretly and illegally destroying them so as to cover up the slew of conspiratorial and illegal information they contained.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/...ail/index.html
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Millions of White House e-mails may be missing, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino acknowledged Friday.
"I wouldn't rule out that there were a potential 5 million e-mails lost," Perino told reporters.
The administration was already facing sharp questions about whether top presidential advisers including Karl Rove improperly used Republican National Committee e-mail that the White House said later disappeared.
The latest comments were a response to a new report from a liberal watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), alleging that over a two-year period official White House e-mail traffic for hundreds of days has vanished -- in possible violation of the federal Presidential Records Act. (Watch CREW's comments on the missing messages Video)
"This story is really now a two-part issue," CREW's Melanie Sloan told CNN. "First there's the use of the RNC e-mail server that's inappropriate by White House officials and secondly we've also learned that there were between March of 2003 and October of 2005 apparently over 5 million e-mail that were not preserved and these are e-mail on the regular White House server."
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• NEW: White House spokeswoman says 5 million official e-mails may be missing
• White House admits it should have kept e-mails on private GOP system
• Chairman of Senate Judiciary Committee doubts e-mails are deleted
• Committee investigating whether U.S. attorneys' firings were politically motivated
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Millions of White House e-mails may be missing, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino acknowledged Friday.
"I wouldn't rule out that there were a potential 5 million e-mails lost," Perino told reporters.
The administration was already facing sharp questions about whether top presidential advisers including Karl Rove improperly used Republican National Committee e-mail that the White House said later disappeared.
The latest comments were a response to a new report from a liberal watchdog group, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), alleging that over a two-year period official White House e-mail traffic for hundreds of days has vanished -- in possible violation of the federal Presidential Records Act. (Watch CREW's comments on the missing messages Video)
"This story is really now a two-part issue," CREW's Melanie Sloan told CNN. "First there's the use of the RNC e-mail server that's inappropriate by White House officials and secondly we've also learned that there were between March of 2003 and October of 2005 apparently over 5 million e-mail that were not preserved and these are e-mail on the regular White House server."
Perino stressed there's no indication the e-mails were intentionally lost, but she was careful not to dispute the outside group's allegations. "I'm not taking issue with their conclusions at this point," Perino said. "We're checking into them. There are 1,700 people in the Executive Office of the President."
White House: 'We screwed up'
Perino's disclosure about the White House e-mail comes a day after she admitted that the White House "screwed up" by not requiring e-mails from Republican Party and campaign accounts to be saved and was also trying to recover those e-mails.
Perino said 22 aides in the political arm of the president's office use party or campaign e-mail accounts, which were issued to separate official business from political work. Some of those accounts were used to discuss the December firings of eight federal prosecutors, a shake-up that has triggered a spreading controversy on Capitol Hill.
Congressional investigators have questioned whether White House aides used e-mail accounts from the Republican Party and President Bush's re-election campaign for official government business to avoid scrutiny of those dealings.
Sen. Patrick Leahy, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, accused the White House of trying to hide messages on the Republican Party system related to the firing of the U.S. attorneys, which has stirred up a hornet's nest on Capitol Hill.
"You can't erase e-mails, not today," said Leahy, D-Vermont. "They've gone through too many servers. They can't say they've been lost. That's like saying, 'The dog ate my homework.' " (Watch Leahy compare e-mails to Nixon tapes Video)
Leahy said the e-mails would have remained on party or campaign computer servers, and he compared the situation to the famous 18½-minute gap in one of the Watergate tapes.
"They're there," he said. "They know they're there, and we'll subpoena them, if necessary, and we'll have them."
Perino told reporters that the e-mails from those accounts should have been saved, but said policy has not kept pace with technology. She said computer experts were trying to retrieve any records that have been deleted.
"We screwed up, and we're trying to fix it," she told reporters.
E-mails sought by special prosecutor also missing
Patrick Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor in the CIA leak case, disclosed last year that some White House e-mails in 2003 were not saved as standard procedure dictated.
In a January 23, 2006, letter to the defense team of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Fitzgerald wrote: "We advise you that we have learned that not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system."
Robert Luskin, personal attorney for Rove, told CNN Friday that he "has no reason to doubt" Fitzgerald's assertion that some White House e-mail was missing.
"You're quite right," Luskin said in a telephone interview. "There was a gap there."
Democrats charge this raises questions about whether the public has gotten the full story on everything from the CIA leak case to the fired U.S. attorneys controversy.
"The biggest problem here is really that here is a White House that is deliberately violating an existing statute that requires them to preserve all records," said Sloan. "And we have significant evidence now both from the RNC e-mail and the White House e-mail that are missing that the White House was using every means possible to avoid complying with the law."
Wow, if Bush himself deleted those emails, he's really computer savvy...
Not that that had anything to do with my point.
your point. What was it anyway- that Bill Clinton didn't send many e-mails during his term when the internet and e-mail were in their very infancy?
I think you made Fyatuk's point...email's and presidential worthiness don't necessarily have a direct relationship.
This may seriously be the most hypocritical thing I have seen you post.
Honesty check:
This little jab thread was too irresistable not to post.
I make no real claim that is matters more than a fart in the wind. Personally on a scale of 1 to 100, with 100 being the most important, I give its importance around a 5 or so.
But since you brought it up as an example of Democrats avoiding issues at the expense of silly attacks...
Let's thumb through your thread les, to see if we can find some political threads that address issues over attacks.
"Obama's panicking"
--nope
"Ouch (Obama tries to attack Palin, she turns it around on him) "
--no issues discussed there...
"Biden should withdraw "
--still no real issues of national import, gotta keep looking
"Stay Classy Dems :thumbsup"
--hmm, no policy issued discussed here either
"Palin: One more visit to injured troops over seas than Obama"
--ooh there's a good one, debunked hackery, but still no policy issues
"Democrats: Party of Free Speech"
--no issues here either, move along..
"Howard Dean plays the race card"
--issues, issues, whos got the issues... not this thread
"So, uh, about that windfall profits tax idea..."
--DING DING DING DING. We have a winner.
One thread out of the first 25 was actually about a policy issue and presented some source material to back up an assertion that wasn't a pure political attack.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sear...earchid=913494
Not that being a shameless hack means everything you say is wrong. That would be illogical.
BUT
When you start trying to call anyone out for attacks over issues, it is logical to conclude, based on your own words, that you are a bag.
pwnd.
Politics is 99% hypocrisy.
Goddamn man. That was harsh.
Yeah, uhh... You're talking about the dot com boom era. I got my first email address halfway through Clinton's first term, and by the time he left, it was extremely common. Now, granted myspace may not have been around, but most of the people I know had webpages, emails, etc up way before Clinton left office. That infancy crap is just BS.
I wasn't digging Clinton. I was commenting on the fact that Bill Clinton, one of the most loved and respected Democratic presidents, and widely considered one of the best Presidents of the modern era, didn't use email, while Bush, widely considered the anti-christ or some-such, was very proficient with computers and technology.
The point. since you seemed to have missed it, is that Clinton is considered to have done an excellent job without email, while Bush is considered to have done a poor job with extensive email use. And Obama wants us to believe there is a correlation between being able to lead this country and email use. He fails quite miserably on that.
Again, RandomGuy is secretly Barack Obama? Wow.
You are aware this discussion exists because of a new Obama attack add making a big deal out of McCain not being very computer proficient, right?
If not, you shouldn't even be in this discussion. Instead, you should be reading any of the various news sites discussing it.
You ing , Clinton's VP invented emails remember? Of course the white house was using it at the time.
I don't think that's the message. I think it's to reinforce the message that McCain is stuck in another era. There was some of that framing going around while the Georgia-Russia crisis was in the news. Some commentators (on the left) were arguing that McCain was still fighting the Cold War. This ad seems to try and build on that theme.
In all fairness, you're right. I was annoyed at the poll and then at 'juana so I exaggerated that significantly.
I still think it's a faulty correlation, and a faulty ad.
Especially with the comparison to Bush at the end of the list of things McCain is supposed to be out of touch about, using computer proficiency just doesn't work, on a base level. Also, McCain has stated that while he personally doesn't use a computer, he has people that do those things for him. That shows a knowledge of the importance of computers in our society which contradicts the point.
Also, considering that older people and poor people, typical democrat bases, are the most likely to be computer illiterate, associating computer illiteracy with being out of touch with society is probably not the best way to make the point. I know my grandma would be highly offended to be told she could be out of touch with society because she can barely use a computer (she can do word processing and look at pictures in the my pictures folder and that's about it).
I've been computer literate since I was 7. I've been programming computers since I was 8. I've been on the internet so long I miss the days of lynx and pine. I've built my own computers, and a decade or go I could read the circuit board of one. And I'm still regularly called out of touch with society.
There's just no real correlation.
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