D-Rob
Dream
Um, no.
I admire the objectivity demonstrated by numerous Spurs fans. Similarly, I'm not surprised by the utter stupidity of the Mavs pansies.
Hakeem was perhaps more talented and Robinson was soft with his jesus-mentality but...I'm still picking Robinson for not being a primadonna like Hakeem was at times. Basketball is a team sport, after all.
All these Spur fans voting Robinson have no right to call out stupid Laker fans picking Kobe over Jordan.
Robinson's numbers compare with the Dream. Kobes, not even close to MJ.
Are there some other kind as well???
You obviously didn't witness them playing head to head and just repeat what every average idiot does all because of a single playoff series.
Actually yeah i got a house down in Merritt island FL so i watch allot of games there and i got the league pass and i got nba tv in Iceland and they are always showing some old games so yeah i know pretty much about the nba....
jordan = six finals mvps
kobe = N/A
regular season?
jordan = five regular season mvps
kobe = one
pah.
how can any compare them?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW4uXlRGAF0
there should be no argument about this, for robinson himself to say he didn't know how to say that he guarded hakeem well with a straight face spoke volumes.
homeristic pole tho :P
So how long have you been watching the NBA from Iceland?When was it available?Actually yeah i got a house down in Merritt island FL so i watch allot of games there and i got the league pass and i got nba tv in Iceland and they are always showing some old games so yeah i know pretty much about the nba....
exactly, they aren't comparable. Just like Hakeem and Robinson aren't comparable. Hakeem was clearly better.
I'm going with the DREAM.
Let's be real.
The difference in talent/skill/success between David and Hakeem isn't as significant as the gap between Kobe and Jordan.
+1
I would actually like people to state the reason they voted the way they did, and how many games they actually watched.
it has been sense 2005 but when that was not there then i watched it with my brother and btw i am 15 so...But yeah i watch every spurs game...
Say what?
I was 15 when I saw that '95 series between the Spurs/Rockets.it has been sense 2005 but when that was not there then i watched it with my brother and btw i am 15 so...But yeah i watch every spurs game...
fasting contest? Hakeem hands down
mathematics compe on? DRob can run circle around the best of them. I think MathTeam USA missed out by not inviting him.
the better stander at attention during nationonal anthem? I'm not sure there has been anyone else in the history of the NBA that stands straighter and more erect than DRob.
better TV ads? DRob's MR Robinson's neighborhood as well as the shaving ads with Timmy get the nod here.
better twin towers? DRob and Tim over Hakeem and Sampson. They actually won les together.
by my calculations, the Admiral is laying waste to Hakeem
Too bad for Spurs fans that wasn't the case during the series.by my calculations, the Admiral is laying waste to Hakeem
Im trying to remember Akeems 71 point games.... I remember once attending a game, I had great seats down by the basket and it was Akeems first game in SA. I clearly remember Artis Gilmore schooling (knocking the crap out him) under the hoop. Those were some big guys!
Well that proves it. Gilmore > Hakeem.
You guys talk about Kobe scoring 81 and Laker fans using it as their argument against MJ, but wanna use that for D-Rob
But why is this written in stone for Spurs fans?
-All four (Jordan, Hakeem, David Robinson, and Kobe) are Hall of Fame players. That's not in question. Right there you already know they're all near a similar level.
-Hakeem is probably a top 3 center of all time. David Robinson is probably somewhere in the bottom half of top 10 centers of all time.
-Michael Jordan is the greatest shooting guard of all time. Kobe is probably in the top 5 if not top 3 greatest shooting guards of all time.
-Hakeem was the Finals MVP twice and the main reason for Houston's two les. David Robinson has two les but couldn't have won either without Tim Duncan.
-Jordan has 6 NBA Finals MVPs and the main reason for 6 NBA les. Kobe has three les but couldn't have won any of them without Shaq.
-The statistical numbers between Hakeem and David Robinson are negligible.
-The statistical differences between Jordan and Kobe are more apparent but are a little bit skewed because of Kobe's first two seasons coming off the bench and playing shorter minutes. Kobe's stats per 36 minutes compare favorably with Jordan's stats per 36 minutes. The one obvious difference in field goal percentage. Otherwise, Kobe's numbers are actually pretty close to Jordan's and Kobe still has several more seasons to improve those numbers.
Now Hakeem and Robinson might be closer to equals than Jordan and Kobe. But, the analogy of the two is not really that far off base.
gonna have to go with dream here.
Gilmore:Well that proves it. Gilmore > Hakeem.
You guys talk about Kobe scoring 81 and Laker fans using it as their argument against MJ, but wanna use that for D-Rob
24,941 points
16,330 rebounds
3179 blocks
58.2% FG
Hakeem:
26,946 points
13,747 rebounds
3830 blocks
51.2% FG
Hakeem is generally ranked somewhere from 4 to 6, with Chamberlain, Jabbar and Russell cementing the top 3 spots. Robinson is somewhere from 5 to 7.
At best, Hakeem is 4, and Robinson is 7.
Besides, there has been much more dominant centers in the league than shooting guards. In fact, no teams were supposed to win consistently without a strong center in the middle before Jordan arrived.
I would say the difference between 2 and zero, and 6 and zero is quite large, 300% difference in fact.
Robinson won 1 MVP, Hakeem won an MVP.
Jordan won 5 MVPs, Kobe won 1 MVP.
And not to diminish Kobe’s MVP, but in the year he won the MVP, Paul finished #2, Garnett #3. Compared that to Jordan’s era when he was going up against Barkley, Magic, Bird, Malone, Thomas, Ewing ….. it’s quite a difference.
If you want to go on about stats …
In Kobe’s first 12 seasons, he had more than 30points / 36 mins once, Jordan did it 5 times, of which 3 of them are better than Kobe’s career high.
In the same period, Kobe has >5 assists 4 times, with a high of 5.3, Jordan did it 7 times, with a high of 7.2.
Kobe never got more than 2 steals / 36 mpg in his career, Jordan did it every 10 out of his first 12 years, with a high of 3.
Kobe never got more than 1 block / 36 mpg in his career, Jordan did it 4 times, with a high of 1.7.
Kobe got 6 rebounds / 36 mpg once, Jordan did it 6 times, with a high of 7.2.
Kobe is significantly better at the 3, but this is an era in which the 3 is used much more effectively than the past. However, even though the totals are higher, the averages are about the same.
Jordan shot significantly better from the field, as you mentioned.
Kobe led the league in scoring twice.
Jordan did it 10 times.
Now compare Hakeem and Robinson:
Robinson led the league in blocks, rebounds and scoring once each.
Hakeem led the league in blocks 3 times, rebounds twice. And note that Robinson played half his career after he had a career-altering injury.
In his 7 pre-injury years, Robinson scored more than 25points per 36 minutes 3 times, with a high of 26.5, Hakeem, despite having a much longer injury free period, did it once.
Hakeem rebounded much better, with 5 seasons > 12 rpg in 36 minutes, and Robinson only twice, but Hakeem had a high of 13.4, while Robinson had a high of 12.5. Blocks were pretty even, and so were steals. FG% was basically a draw, and so were FT%, with Robinson slightly better at both.
In the years going head to head, Robinson won All-NBA 1st team 4 times, Hakeem did it 3 times (his fourth time was when Robinson was seriously injured and played only 6 games). Now ask yourself honestly, if Jordan and Kobe were going head to head in their prime, and there is only one all-nba team spots for the SG (as opposed to having two guard spots), how many times would Kobe finish ahead of Jordan?
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