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    That's a pretty good argument to stop throwing our tax dollars away on useless abstinence, sex education and condoms.
    Deal.

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    Thanks for putting words into my mouth. Can you blame kids for not using rubbers when abstinence sex-ed fills their heads with all kinds of bull about how they don't work?

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    Obama is coming off as weak and indecisive in just about every interview gives right now...and to not see it is pure partisanship.

    Just wait till people start seeing through the zealot smear.
    That is because he thinks on his own and isn't coached in what to say like Palin. Just wait till people see through her BS.

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    Unedited Interview Video

    http://www.jibjab.com/view/252470

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    Her mother clearly did not do a good enough job of teaching her daughter about abstinence and safe sex, which is why she is pregnant at such a young age. It was poor parenting.
    I disagree. The girl is, what? 17? She's old enough to be responsible for her choices.

    I guess we'll have to disagree on this.

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    I disagree. The girl is, what? 17? She's old enough to be responsible for her choices.

    I guess we'll have to disagree on this.
    i doubt she got pregnant on the first shot.

    from this to a shootgun wedding.

    conservatives are progressive.

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    i doubt she got pregnant on the first shot.
    What's your point?

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    Clearly the mother was not doing a great job supervising her child if she was running around having unprotected sex. Which raises the question why is she running for VP? If she couldn't hack parenting as governor what makes her think she can as VP?

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    Clearly the mother was not doing a great job supervising her child if she was running around having unprotected sex. Which raises the question why is she running for VP? If she couldn't hack parenting as governor what makes her think she can as VP?
    How do you know she was having unprotected sex?

    Oh..and "running around?" Yes, she was having sex, but "running around" implies she had multiple partners. You don't know that either.

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    Damn I wish Tim Russert were still alive so he could hammer away at Palin on Meet the Press.

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    How do you know she was having unprotected sex?

    Oh..and "running around?" Yes, she was having sex, but "running around" implies she had multiple partners. You don't know that either.
    There is a 86%-98% chance that it was unprotected.
    http://www.umaine.edu/peered/contraceptives.htm
    Male Condom- serves as a barrier to keep sperm from reaching an egg or any other part of the body. They are worn on the penis by men. Only latex and polyurethane condoms are proven to protect against STD/Is, including HIV. They are 86 percent to 98 percent effective at preventing pregnancy if used correctly every time.

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    Damn I wish Tim Russert were still alive so he could hammer away at Palin on Meet the Press.
    Frankly I'd love to have Russert to interview all the candidates. I don't think there is another journalist out there (O'Reilly notwithstanding - most won't take that interview seriously) who will take the gloves off against Obama. His son is a joke on NBC.

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    There is a 86%-98% chance that it was unprotected.

    "If used correctly"

    There's the rub.....er, so to speak.

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    Frankly I'd love to have Russert to interview all the candidates. I don't think there is another journalist out there (O'Reilly notwithstanding - most won't take that interview seriously) who will take the gloves off against Obama. His son is a joke on NBC.
    His son's on NBC?

    Did that happen before or after Russert passed away?

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    "If used correctly"

    There's the rub.....er, so to speak.
    Bah-Dum-Bump...

    We'll be selling CD's after the show.

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    Frankly I'd love to have Russert to interview all the candidates. I don't think there is another journalist out there (O'Reilly notwithstanding - most won't take that interview seriously) who will take the gloves off against Obama. His son is a joke on NBC.
    Obama was on Meet the Press back in May.

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    His son's on NBC?

    Did that happen before or after Russert passed away?
    after. From what I've read, he's terrible.

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    Obama was on Meet the Press back in May.
    Yeah, I saw it; that's what I'd like going forward - afraid we won't get it.

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    I don't know. You think he'd ask her tougher questions than the ones Gibson already tore her a new asshole with?
    Dude....she didn't have a clue what the Bush doctrine is...
    Get real. There is no formal "Bush Doctrine" and the media has defined it different ways. That's what she asked for clarification.

    I would think that most of the regular posters on this forum know what the Bush Doctrine is. However, we post on a political forum, so we're not exactly a representative demographic for the rest of the US.
    Please it explain it to us for those of us who don't like to ASSume.

    But even if only a few of us knew what the Bush Doctrine is, shouldn't she know it? If you've followed national politics for the last six years, you probably know what the Bush Doctrine is. And if she hasn't been following national politics that closely("I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq"), does she even know if she is really qualified?
    Again, there is no formal Bush Doctrine. It has been defined several different ways depending on who and when you hear the term.

    Don't you guy see. She handled that question real well.

    we've all talked about preemptive strikes and wars, but I never knew it was formally labeled the Bush Doctrine.
    No .

    I want the lib s to tell us what they think the Bush Doctrine is.

    Can I have a link please.

    Look, I knew what the Bush Doctrine was and it's mostly because (and this is the point I was making to Viva) I have an interest in politics; frequently surf political sites; watch Meet the Press, This Week, etc., and admittedly, listen to conservative talk radio (mostly Ingraham, Rush, and Joe Pags - I can't listen to Hannity). Again, I would assume the same thing applies to many people that post here.
    So you admit to being stupid.

    THERE IS NO DEFINED BUSH DOCTRINE!

    LINK PLEASE!

    She's all about values. Letting her teenage daughter run wild and have unprotected sex leading to pregnancy.
    Her mother clearly did not do a good enough job of teaching her daughter about abstinence and safe sex, which is why she is pregnant at such a young age. It was poor parenting.
    You are obviously a typical lib . You think birth control prevents pregnancy, therefore she must not have used it.

    I'll bet there are good factual statistics out there that show that unwanted pregnancies or more common with birth control than without!

    Birth control gives a false sense of security.

    There is a 86%-98% chance that it was unprotected.
    That would be ASSuming she only has sex once, and the sperm was 100% effective at finding an egg every time.

    Ever take statistics? Consider how those numbers drop in effectiveness if she had sex 10 times. What about 25 times. What about 100 times.

    Now if I remembered my statistics right, having sex 10 times at 86% drops the effectiveness to 22.13%. At 98% effective down to 81.71% effective. At 25 times, down to 2.3% and 60.35%.

    Is my math wrong...

    Anyone?

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    Wild Cobra, it's pure comedy watching you try to spin this. "No clear definition!"

    The summation of the Bush Doctrine is basically pre-emptive war. If you asked people who knows about the doctrine, the majority will respond with something on the lines of pre-emptive war. Its an accepted summation of the Bush Doctrine.

    You say that media has different takes on the Bush Doctrine, let me see those other views they have on it. Not trying to pick a fight, I'd just like to see other sides of it.

    Oh by the way, what would be your summary of the Bush Doctrine?

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    Wild Cobra, it's pure comedy watching you try to spin this. "No clear definition!"

    The summation of the Bush Doctrine is basically pre-emptive war. If you asked people who knows about the doctrine, the majority will respond with something on the lines of pre-emptive war. Its an accepted summation of the Bush Doctrine.

    You say that media has different takes on the Bush Doctrine, let me see those other views they have on it. Not trying to pick a fight, I'd just like to see other sides of it.

    Oh by the way, what would be your summary of the Bush Doctrine?
    There is no clear definition. Yes, it is primarily about preempting war and attacks on our soverngty. However, since it is a term rather than formal policy, and the fact there are several elements to it. You can agree with parts of it and disagree with others. Worse yet, different people interpret it quite differently since it isn't a written policy.

    Her question to get more specific was the intelligent, right thing to do.

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    WASHINGTON, Sept. 12 (UPI) -- There were no surprises, no knockout zingers, but also no bloopers Thursday night in Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's first TV interview since becoming the Republican vice presidential nominee.

    Charles Gibson of ABC News was out for blood and inherently applied a double-standard compared with the kid gloves George Stephanopoulos used on Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois on Sunday night.

    Gibson was out to embarrass Palin and expose her presumed ignorance from the word go. By contrast, when Obama referred to his "Muslim faith" on Sunday and did not correct himself, Stephanopoulos rushed in at once to help him and emphasize that the senator had really meant to say his Christian faith.

    By contrast, Gibson tried to embarrass Palin by referring to her Christian faith in asking people to pray for U.S. soldiers in Iraq. Palin countered by pointing out she was following the precedent set by Abraham Lincoln.

    Palin also expressed her support for Georgia and Ukraine joining the U.S.-led NATO alliance. That statement was predictable and consistent with the current policy of the Bush administration. The policy has dangerously raised tensions with Russia, but Palin is hardly alone in the conservative/Republican consensus in expressing her support for it.

    Palin's assessment of foreign policy was competent and not embarrassing. Although she initially exhibited ignorance of the Bush Doctrine on pre-emptive strikes that has been a central pillar of U.S. foreign policy after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, she recovered quickly and then made the case clearly. Tactically, she made the mistake of trying to be friendly and informal with Gibson, who assumed a superior, professorial and critical stance toward her. She would have been far better going on the attack to rattle him.

    The double-standard Gibson applied to Palin, compared with the uncritical media platforms repeatedly offered to Obama, who has had zero executive experience running anything, was especially striking. ABC and Gibson focused on Palin as if she were running right now for the presidency rather than the vice presidency. He and other media pundits, by contrast, have never asked the Democratic vice presidential nominee, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, if he has ever had to make a decision on anything.

    Gibson's aggressive approach appeared to take Palin by surprise: He was clearly attempting to put her on point by presenting her as having extreme religious views. This again, however, appears to be a double-standard, as Palin grew up in the Assemblies of God, one of the largest Christian denominations in America with 16 million members, and is now a member of the Wasilla Bible Church. Even now, Obama has yet to receive any comparable grilling on his 20-year attendance in the congregation of the notoriously racist Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

    The focus on Palin's faith and family, as well as the controversy over Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment in Virginia earlier this week, confirmed the swift demise of civility in the 2008 presidential campaign. This is especially ironic, as both Obama and his Republican opponent, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, owed their victories over Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York in the Democratic primary race and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani in the GOP one to their perceived inclusive tolerance, uplift and vision compared with their main opponents.

    In the long sweep of U.S. political history, the worst dirt that has been thrown at either of the presidential candidates pales compared with the claims that Thomas Jefferson had fathered a child by a black slave in the 1800 campaign -- the newspaper editor who published the accusations eventually was found dead floating in a canal -- or the false claims by Republicans in the 1944 campaign that President Franklin D. Roosevelt was senile. FDR by that point was indeed a dying man, though he did not know it, but he was mentally as sharp as ever.

    The context of the increasingly desperate -- and ugly -- attacks on Palin and her alleged lack of experience is that the Obama bandwagon, which swept all before it from the Iowa caucuses through the end of June, is now stalling badly and, even more worrying for the Democrats, the malaise may be spreading to the congressional races.

    The latest USA Today/Gallup poll has the Democrats only 3 points up on the Republicans on the question of which party people would vote for today in their congressional district.

    Indeed, the Obama campaign is now saying it is ready to take the gloves off against McCain. They rolled out a new ad Friday mocking McCain as out of touch and old-fashioned, even though it was McCain who picked a young woman as a running mate while Obama opted for an old white guy who's been sitting in the Senate for 36 years. With more than 50 days still to go until the actual election, it appears dangerously early in the campaign for the Obama camp to go negative, especially as so much of his appeal has been based on rising above the old negatives to begin with. Isn't it early in the campaign to resort to that? Is it a sign of panic?

    Whatever her inexperience and other shortcomings, Palin did not fall into that trap in her ABC interview. At no point did she appear fearful or threatening. Gibson's aggressive questioning on her religion and her son's coming military service in Iraq, by contrast, runs the risks for the Democrats of strengthening support for Palin among working-class, married women, especially those with husbands or sons serving in the military.

    The pattern of previous presidential election interviews and debates has always been that individuals who come across as intellectually superior, arrogant and condescending forfeit support that goes to their perceived victims. This dynamic played a crucial role in propelling George W. Bush into the White House eight years ago. It remains to be seen if Gibson's perceived arrogance and condescension will give Palin another boost. It certainly didn't help the Democrats that ABC's chief political correspondent, Stephanopoulos, who had rushed to Obama's aid only four days before, was wheeled on to discuss her interview with Gibson as soon as it was concluded.

    Liberal Democrats predictably will cite the interview as evidence that Palin is not prepared for the vice presidency. Republicans will equally predictably cite it as evidence that she is. How centrist voters will react to it remains to be seen. One thing is clear: This isn't a transformational election on either side. Whoever wins, the ugly old cultural and political divisions in America remain -- and they are deeper than ever.


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    Get real. There is no formal "Bush Doctrine" and the media has defined it different ways. That's what she asked for clarification.


    Please it explain it to us for those of us who don't like to ASSume.


    Again, there is no formal Bush Doctrine. It has been defined several different ways depending on who and when you hear the term.

    Don't you guy see. She handled that question real well.


    Can I have a link please.

    THERE IS NO DEFINED BUSH DOCTRINE!

    LINK PLEASE!

    Total ing meltdown.


    Enjoy it.


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    Total ing meltdown.


    Enjoy it.




    Remember the Repub's are now saying it was a trick question....

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    Total ing meltdown.


    Enjoy it.

    You're the one melting down. That video depicts exactly what I said. There is no clear "Bush Doctrine."

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