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No one said you were. So stop projecting your bedtime fantasy to all of us.
Again, I hate to break it to you cretin Laker fans, but I am not the real Reggie Miller. GASP!
No one said you were. So stop projecting your bedtime fantasy to all of us.
Short-term memory loss and projection: the hallmarks of an abused child.
Don't be afraid. The LAPD are your friends. They will never sodomize you like your step-father. They will take turns.
Jefferson >>>>>>>>>>>> Bynum
thats easily understood.
I rmbr scrolling down to the leaders in categories for asts/points/rbs etc..
I recall seeing Jeffersons name quite often and i think he had a couple of 40 + point games and got a good share of rebounds. The guy is already a monster.
i'm going to side with Reggie on this, he's right
Per minute stats are jokes. Using the same per36 minute metric, Manu Ginobili is almost at Kobe Bryant's level:
Bryant:
Points/36minutes = 26.2
Rebounds/36minutes = 5.8
Assists/36minutes = 5.00
Steals/36minutes = 1.67
Ginobili:
Points/36minutes = 22.0
Rebounds/36minutes = 5.6
Assists/36minutes = 5.22
Steals/36minutes = 1.74
Of course Kobe's significantly better than Manu though, because Bryant is a workhorse who can give you 39 minutes a night at a high level. Manu is great in the 31 minutes he can effectively give, but that's 8 minutes a night less of superstar production.
Same with Bynum when someone is comparing him to a monster like Howard or Jefferson. Bynum's a nice young player with lots of upside, but he hasn't earned the comparisons to Howard nor Jefferson yet.
Why t-mac is so low makes no sense to me...
What made me actually puke was the fact he had Melo on top of him?!?!?!? WTF?!?!? Did he watch Melo almost not make the playoffs and get swept?
Then Caron Butler and Bynum on top of him, this guy is complete moron
T-Mac isn't as good as he used to be, but he was playing 60% with no Yao and the one who filled every single role.
top 20ish sounds reasonable
Bynum at age 20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jefferson age 20
It's actually not that much of a joke. If Kobe's the #1 SG in the NBA, DWade is #2 and if Manu actually played 36 minutes he'd probably be #3 or #4.
It's not a 100% accurate comparison but it does give you a very good look at budding players. It doesn't work for bench players who have been in the league for years as once they've settled in, the usually don't have dramatic changes in minutes.
TMAC gets low scores because of all the injuries. If he was a healthy Superstar, he'd rank in the top 10.
Its funny that Bynum (who has done nothing) who is coming off an injury can almost crack the top 20, but T-Mac who constantly puts up 20 points a game and leads teams to the playoffs (whether or not they advance) is too injury prone to make it?
The only people on that list that might be traded are Iverson because they want to let him go because of his contract and age, Baron because of the same reasons and Rudy Gay. That is it.Im willing to bet that if the Lakers were to put Bynum on the line for the players that you just named, the trade would get done in record time!!!
Yes, Bynum gets a hall pass because he's 20 and it's his first major injury. T-MAC has chronic injuries whereas Bynum looks vastly more fit than he did last year.
You always trade for big men. Those guys are good players but at their position, there's a bunch of better players. But at the Center position, even with his aborted season, Bynum looks to be the #3 center in the NBA. Skilled Centers are extremely rare these days. Even the Lakers realize this, that's why they're even considering that 5 year/$80 million extension.The only people on that list that might be traded are Iverson because they want to let him go because of his contract and age, Baron because of the same reasons and Rudy Gay. That is it.
So you think the Spurs would trade Tony Parker for him? You must be kidding.
I don't know how many times people are going to have to post this.
Big men are rare. An above average big is worth more than an All-Star guard, because there are a few million more people in the world in the talent pool at the position for shooting guard vs. center.
The only issue with Bynum is health. He obviously has the talent and athleticism to be an above average big.
Tony Parker's about the only one on that list that would give their team pause before making the trade. Midway through this season, if Bynum is playing the way we all think he will, then yes, the Spurs would do it.
I do think it's a possibility; whereas 2 years ago it would have been NO WAY.
Spurs would consider it because as the Duncan years are ending, Bynum would be a good replacement. I think Bynum, Duncan, Ginobili at this stage is more effective than Duncan, Ginobili, Parker. Duncan/Bynum could pair up much like the DRob/Duncan days as the Admiral got older.
As Reggie Milelr says though, it's all about health. If Bynum's healthy, he'd command a pretty penny in trade.
Missing the point. The Spurs don't need Bynum in a cost/benefit analysis, because they have Duncan.
Counterpoint. The Pacers would trade any single player on their roster for Bynum in a heartbeat. If they could somehow unload Tinsley in the process, I would pony up $500 to help defray the travel expenses of his posse.
Not missing the point because this is the real world and you have to take teams needs into consideration. Tony Parker is a way better basketball player than Bynum. If your logic was correct and bigs are that important and Bynum was that good then CP3, Deron Williams and Tony Parker would all be traded for him.
The Pacers do not have anyone on their roster that is worth building around with the exception of Granger and even then I do not know.
There is just as many great point guards as bigs in this league. There is just as much mediocre bigs as small guys as well. An above average big, such as Tyson Chandler is not worth more than Dwayne Wade, Billups, Joe Johnson, Chris Paul or Steve Nash who were the all-star point guards this last year. With the exception of a few of them because of age now, they are all much much better than Bynum and no team would trade them for Bynum.
Exactly what Bynum doesn't have
What are you talking about. So you think Bynum will be as good as Duncan? There is no way taking Parker out of the equation makes the team better, who will play point guard? Duncan/Robinson both top 50 players ever, Bynum/Duncan is no where close.
Not saying Bynum could not get something valuable in a trade, but you guys are way over valuing him right now by comparing him to Duncan/Robinson or saying the Spurs would trade arguably the 3rd best point guard in the league who is only 26.
No, Bynum is not as good as Duncan. Will be? Probably not. But Bynum I think will be better than David Robinson. Of course he's not as good as The Admiral now but Duncan could bring him along quickly.
If you have Bynum, Duncan, Ginobili, you could have Smush Parker as a point guard and still be a championship team.
Right now, yes, the idea is laughable but give Bynum some minutes (and if he stays healthy) and he will probably exceed Tony's output this year.
Tony's a great player but at the end of the day, he puts up 18 points, 5 assists. Bynum looks to be a 20+pt/13rbd/3 block Center.
So he has had multiple surgeries, but it is ok that he is above T-Mac and he is good enough to be traded for the best point guards in the league even though all we have to go off of is half a seasons per 36 minute stats.
Also, who cares if Bynum at age 20 was better than Jefferson, is he better now?
You are seriously over valuing Bynum right now and grossly undervaluing what a great point guard does for a team. Smush Parker could not do crap with Bynum, Duncan and Ginobili. I would much rather have Duncan, Ginobili, Parker and Oberto than Duncan, Ginobili, Bynum and Smush
I agree with you 100%, excellent points.
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