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    Heres the basic comparison if you or I were applying for a job:
    Obama:
    Occidental College - Two years.
    Columbia University - B.A. political science with a specialization in international relations.
    Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Laude

    & Biden:
    University of Delaware - B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
    Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

    vs.

    McCain:
    United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 out of 899 (meaning that, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his class)

    Palin:
    Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
    North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
    University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
    Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
    University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in journalism

    Now, which team are you going to hire to lead the most influential nation in the world?
    We have a vote for "received law degree".

    1) Won nomination
    2) Isn't Bush
    3) Has Law degree

    I think my point has been made. Obama's REAL accomplishments include his two memoirs and three speeches.


    Lets start the McCain list now....I'll start:

    1) Led the effort to normalize Relations with Vietnam

    2) Pushed through the successful Iraq "Surge"

    3) McCain-Feingold (Some people think it sucks....but its still a major accomplishment for him). Is there another Bill (McCain-Kennedy...McCain-Lieberman) that might be considered bigger?

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    That's still better than John "I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated" McCain.

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110007600

    So this guy is supposed to be President because the Vietcong hit him a few times? Obama may not have held political office all his life, which isn't exactly a minus in my book, but at least when he speaks, he demonstrates he knows what he's talking about.
    Only fools think they know everything and don't need to learn anymore...

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    Only fools think they know everything and don't need to learn anymore...
    If John McCain wants to open up an economics textbook, fine by me. We just can't wait on his on the job training.

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    Agreed, but this is not the time to start any "New Deal II" policies. If anything, the way the recession was handled after the crash of '29 shows that there should be LESS government involvement and not more. Hoover and FDR pushed what would have been a recession into the Great Depression.
    Don't disagree with you there. Just pointing out there are several red flags waving saying something is wrong.

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    "He is currently the Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Armed Services. He also serves on the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, and the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs." http://mccain.senate.gov/public/inde...Cain.Biography

    served on senate for 22 years (thats alot of reelections)

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    Lets start the McCain list now....I'll start:

    1) Led the effort to normalize Relations with Vietnam

    2) Pushed through the successful Iraq "Surge"

    3) McCain-Feingold (Some people think it sucks....but its still a major accomplishment for him). Is there another Bill (McCain-Kennedy...McCain-Lieberman) that might be considered bigger?
    22 succesful bombing missions...

    Foresaw the problems that relaxed regulations on sub prime loans would have on the economy...

    Correctly chose the right running mate...

    Has a hot wife and generally kicks ass

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    "He is currently the Ranking Member of the Senate Committee on Armed Services. He also serves on the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, and the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs." http://mccain.senate.gov/public/inde...Cain.Biography

    served on senate for 22 years (thats alot of reelections)
    Not really. Means he's been elected 4 times to the Senate (so re-elected thrice). Still impressive, but it's not like he's been reelected 11 times like he would have if he were a 22 year Representative.

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    Only fools think they know everything and don't need to learn anymore...
    Don't even bother with that guy. I got him and his whole "KFC" crew on ignore.

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    If John McCain wants to open up an economics textbook, fine by me. We just can't wait on his on the job training.
    He's going to learn exactly how Obama will...by listening to his economic advisors.

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    Don't even bother with that guy. I got him and his whole "KFC" crew on ignore.
    Makes the day go by faster...

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    22 succesful bombing missions...

    Foresaw the problems that relaxed regulations on sub prime loans would have on the economy...

    Correctly chose the right running mate...

    Has a hot wife and generally kicks ass
    Maybe this should be on the list...but I think if we are talking about his "Signature" military achievement, it would be refusing to leave a POW camp early.

    Or maybe commanding the largest squadron in the Navy.

    How bout both?


    Obama:

    1) Won nomination
    2) Isn't Bush
    3) Has Law degree



    McCain
    1) Won nomination

    2) Led the effort to normalize Relations with Vietnam

    3) Pushed through the successful Iraq "Surge"

    4) McCain-Feingold (Some people think it sucks....but its still a major accomplishment for him). Is there another Bill (McCain-Kennedy...McCain-Lieberman) that might be considered bigger?

    5) Refused to leave a POW camp ealier than his peers when given the offer because of who his father was.

    6) Commanded the largest squadron in the navy

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    Obama has sponsored 136 bills since Jan 4, 2005, 2 have become law.[2] This figure does not include bills to which Obama contributed very substantially as cosponsor, such as the Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 or the Lugar-Nunn Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006. They also exclude amendments to other bills, although these in the Senate are not required to be germane to the parent bill and can therefore effectively be bills in their own right.[3] Obama has co-sponsored 619 bills during the same time period. According to Factcheck.org however "cosponsorship does not require a commitment of time, energy or resources – let alone the political or policy ingenuity that might generate a bill idea in the first place."

    An accurate comparison would have included only the bills Obama has sponsored that have been signed into law. Obama has had just two in his three years:[1]

    S. 3757, A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 950 Missouri Avenue in East St. Louis, Illinois, as the "Katherine Dunham Post Office Building.
    S. 2125, A bill to promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

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    I don't want a list of every bill he ever co-sponsored.

    Is it writing two memoires and making three speeches (04 DNC, his anti-Iraq speech and his Germany speech)?

    Thats all that comes to mind. What am I missing?
    why are you asking?

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    S. 3757, A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 950 Missouri Avenue in East St. Louis, Illinois, as the "Katherine Dunham Post Office Building.
    That definitely has to go on his accomplishments list.

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    Obama has sponsored 136 bills since Jan 4, 2005, 2 have become law.[2] This figure does not include bills to which Obama contributed very substantially as cosponsor, such as the Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 or the Lugar-Nunn Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006. They also exclude amendments to other bills, although these in the Senate are not required to be germane to the parent bill and can therefore effectively be bills in their own right.[3] Obama has co-sponsored 619 bills during the same time period. According to Factcheck.org however "cosponsorship does not require a commitment of time, energy or resources – let alone the political or policy ingenuity that might generate a bill idea in the first place."

    An accurate comparison would have included only the bills Obama has sponsored that have been signed into law. Obama has had just two in his three years:[1]

    S. 3757, A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 950 Missouri Avenue in East St. Louis, Illinois, as the "Katherine Dunham Post Office Building.
    S. 2125, A bill to promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.

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    That definitely has to go on his accomplishments list.
    He didn't support an unecessary war. Is that one?

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    Mesiah

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    Suggestions for mesiah:
    1. messiah 2. messy
    3. Maceio 4. mazy

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    Editor of the Harvard Law Review Elected president of the Law Review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the Law Review's staff of 80 editors. Obama directed Illinois's Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers and which achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African-Americans in the state, and led to Crain's Chicago Business naming Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be.

    Beginning in 1992, Obama taught cons utional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, being first classified as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and then as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004. Also served the communities in Chicago in many organizations........More?

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    Does anyone want to confirm that mccain by his own admission feels that his time in Vietnam taught him a lesson . Any one know how many planes he crashed ? I believe it was 5. before Vietnam

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    He successfully voted "PRESENT" 130 times while serving as an IL State senator.
    HERE

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    Does anyone want to confirm that mccain by his own admission feels that his time in Vietnam taught him a lesson . Any one know how many planes he crashed ? I believe it was 5. before Vietnam
    He was a notoriously poor pilot.

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    Well If you liked the last 8 years ,then vote for McBush....euh McCain....he voted with the president 94% of the time .

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    We have a vote for "received law degree".

    1) Won nomination
    2) Isn't Bush
    3) Has Law degree

    I think my point has been made. Obama's REAL accomplishments include his two memoirs and three speeches.
    This is ridiculous. How can you belittle these kinds of accomplishments? Being raised poor and going to Harvard is a HUUUUUUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE accomplishment. I'd be satisfied if that was my only accomplishment. I bet Obama accomplished more than your ass ever done. Are you running for president?

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    Obama has sponsored 136 bills since Jan 4, 2005, 2 have become law.[2] This figure does not include bills to which Obama contributed very substantially as cosponsor, such as the Coburn-Obama Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006 or the Lugar-Nunn Cooperative Proliferation Detection, Interdiction Assistance, and Conventional Threat Reduction Act of 2006. They also exclude amendments to other bills, although these in the Senate are not required to be germane to the parent bill and can therefore effectively be bills in their own right.[3] Obama has co-sponsored 619 bills during the same time period. According to Factcheck.org however "cosponsorship does not require a commitment of time, energy or resources – let alone the political or policy ingenuity that might generate a bill idea in the first place."

    An accurate comparison would have included only the bills Obama has sponsored that have been signed into law. Obama has had just two in his three years:[1]

    S. 3757, A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 950 Missouri Avenue in East St. Louis, Illinois, as the "Katherine Dunham Post Office Building.
    S. 2125, A bill to promote relief, security, and democracy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
    Good stuff.


    Obama:

    1) Won nomination
    2) Isn't Bush
    3) Has Law degree
    4) Signature bills include renaming an office building and a bill to promote helping the republic of Congo (but not actually helping the Congo).



    McCain
    1) Won nomination

    2) Led the effort to normalize Relations with Vietnam

    3) Pushed through the successful Iraq "Surge"

    4) McCain-Feingold (Some people think it sucks....but its still a major accomplishment for him). Is there another Bill (McCain-Kennedy...McCain-Lieberman) that might be considered bigger?

    5) Refused to leave a POW camp ealier than his peers when given the offer because of who his father was.

    6) Commanded the largest squadron in the navy

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    That's beyond the point. The top 1% now make 23% of the income, IIRC.
    Where do you get your facts?

    In 1929 the top 1% held 44% of the nation's wealth; we are a far, far cry from that point.

    How about this: in 1998, it was 38%

    Look Here for more detailed analysis.

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