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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    I disagree with Obama on letting individual cities determine their own local gun control laws. The right to own a firearm is protected by the second amendment, and that should end all discussion right there. Having a gun drastically changes the balance of power when a criminal comes into your home or business, and he's dead wrong on this issue.

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    global warming, but I'm willing to compromise

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    The Death Penalty

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    I don't agree with McCain's stance on minimum wages.

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    I don't agree with Obama on his position re: marriage equality. Civil unions are "separate but equal" all over again, and that didn't work so well the first time. Unless, of course, we abolish all civil "marriages" and call any government-recognized union (hetero or ) a "civil union" - then I'd be OK with civil unions.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Barak's economic plan in general is .

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    Live by what you Speak. DarkReign's Avatar
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    I wish I could say I have a candidate. I despise both of them equally. No bull .

    I think both of their economic "plans" are as far away from plan as I would ever want to be involved in.

    Worst part of this problem is this is the only issue that matter to me.

    Iraq, gay marriage (thats an issue? wtf?), immigration, Al Queda, Afghhanistan, Iran, Israel....all bull to me.

    I have a problem with being told what the issues are, what the major talking points are going to be in an election. Here I thought that was for me to choose.

    1. Economy - Im no economist, but when I can discern your bull , youre not doing well.

    2. Government Transparency, Reduction and Relinquishing of Role in Public Life - taxes, regulations, permits, rules, moral laws....etc.

    Im wasting my breath, I know that. But if #2 would actually ever become one of the "issues" we're spoon-fed, it would skyrocket to #1.

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    I wish I could say I have a candidate. I despise both of them equally. No bull .

    I think both of their economic "plans" are as far away from plan as I would ever want to be involved in.

    Worst part of this problem is this is the only issue that matter to me.

    Iraq, gay marriage (thats an issue? wtf?), immigration, Al Queda, Afghhanistan, Iran, Israel....all bull to me.

    I have a problem with being told what the issues are, what the major talking points are going to be in an election. Here I thought that was for me to choose.

    1. Economy - Im no economist, but when I can discern your bull , youre not doing well.

    2. Government Transparency, Reduction and Relinquishing of Role in Public Life - taxes, regulations, permits, rules, moral laws....etc.

    Im wasting my breath, I know that. But if #2 would actually ever become one of the "issues" we're spoon-fed, it would skyrocket to #1.
    Yeah, you pretty much need to lead the revolution.

    I guess I resigned myself to believing that we're simply never going to see a politician who is truly going to attempt to tackle that - , they'll never make it far enough.

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    Both candidates are on the "Global Warming is going to kill us" ship that appears to have already left the dock (SS Greentanic).

    Both candidates are against drilling in Anwar.

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    I disagree with Obama's tax plan. He conceded on This Week that he might hold off on raising taxes on the wealthy because the economy is weak. Wouldn't that imply that such a tax increase is actually bad for the economy?

    ‘‘Even if we’re still in a recession, I’m going to go through with my tax cuts,’’ Obama said. ‘‘That’s my priority.’’

    What about increasing taxes on the wealthy?

    ‘‘I think we’ve got to take a look and see where the economy is. I mean, the economy is weak right now,’’ Obama said on ‘‘This Week’’ on ABC. ‘‘The news with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, I think, along with the unemployment numbers, indicates that we’re fragile.’’

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    Yeah, you pretty much need to lead the revolution.

    I guess I resigned myself to believing that we're simply never going to see a politician who is truly going to attempt to tackle that - , they'll never make it far enough.

    I have always hoped one of these politicians is a career liar who somehow cir vented the system and duped his party into thinking he is actually like them all the way to the Whitehouse.

    Only upon his first appearance before the House of Representatives when they do the big "Welcome, Mr President!" gig, he would go into some mild, very frank speech about how things are going to be different.

    Startiiiiiiing now...

    ...and the entire Congress is sequestered by the military and certain, far-reaching legislation is passed without break or vacation.

    Nothing partisan. Just the basics.

    • Re-write the the Bill of Rights to be more clear and up to date in interpretation.


    For example, instead of
    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    Make it say, with better eloquence of course.

    American Citizens shall have the right to bear arms. These firearms include handguns, shotguns and semi-automatic rifles. Handguns in no larger caliber than X, shotguns in no larger load than Y and rifles in no larger caliber than Z.

    • Use that interpretation across the board to include the explicit, stated position of the seperation of church and state.


    • Throw out the Electoral College in its entirety. Start over. Use the popular vote, a weighted popular vote, or some other system. But one that is clear, concise and less inclined to fear the....


    • Abolishment of a Two Party Sytem.


    bla bla bla

    I could go on. No income taxes anywhere...ever, One fund for the care and comfort for the disabled and elderly paid for by other means then more taxation, the size of government being a regulated figure which cannot exceed certain thresholds, whether based on personel or budget or both, the absolute priority of better education and the guarantee of higher learning, whether etc, etc.

    There would be caveats. Citizens will be required to vote. No discussion (unless a felon, mentally disabled or other situation that prevents cognition). The country will become more self-reliant in all facets...consumerism, manufacturing, agriculture, etc, etc.

    I could literally ramble off thousands of different aspects of government that need to be completely abolished, controlled or otherwise watched.

    Jesus, I just ruin threads lately...Ill stop now.
    Last edited by DarkReign; 09-18-2008 at 04:21 PM.

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    I support the decriminalization of all drugs on libertarian grounds. Obama is not running on a platform to reform our nation's drug laws.

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    I disagree with Obama's tax plan. He conceded on This Week that he might hold off on raising taxes on the wealthy because the economy is weak. Wouldn't that imply that such a tax increase is actually bad for the economy?
    Exactly...The problem with taxing the rich/corporations/capital gains is that it stifles the economy. I have looked but can't find any decent economic studies stating otherwise. The fact is that in today's economy cities/states/countries that compete for businesses by lowering tax rates generally do better. You can see this with Texas and Michigan. Michigan is one the harder places to do business in (high tax rates and pro union) so while Texas is one of the easier places. It's obvious to see which state has the better economy.


    Oh, and I don't agree with McCain on immigration.

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    McCain on his VP pick

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    While I would like to have universal health care as Obama wants to do, I fear it would become another boondoggle to transfer money to insurance companies and pharmas in the style of our new prescription Medicare. I wish we could pick the best parts of other countries' universal health care, but we will likely end up with own f----d-up plan providing more money to the corporations already fattening themselves on medical costs.

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    I don't agree with McCain on global warming and his resistence to drilling in ANWAR.

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    I disagree with Obama's caving in on the FISA bill. It's bad enough that the definitions of "national security concerns" and "executive privilege" have been stretched so broadly as to make any sitting President effectively immune from any accountability, but to extend that cloak over select, participating corporations is even worse.

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    Yep, the FISA bill, the U.S.-Mexico wall of shame that separates families and the war In iraq has had success are major Obama blunders...

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    Damn, it is hard to fault perfection. But I will think about Obama and Biden tonight and get back to you, okay?

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    Typical response I expected from a sheep like xray

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    Damn, it is hard to fault perfection. But I will think about Obama and Biden tonight and get back to you, okay?
    Ummm....do you usually think about Obama at night?

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    Well, the one I'm supporting is Sarah Palin. I don't like McCain too much. The thing I don't like about her is she is being too nice to the compe ion. That the worse thing I can think of at the moment.

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    Wow, Wild Cobra props his candidate up as an infallible messiah too. Who would have ever guessed?

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