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I'll gladly wave my flag, I love my country, and I always will.
Go on and move there since its so ing fantastic.
I ask again, why my money that I work very hard for, should go to pay for someone else?
Why is it my responsibility?
I'll gladly wave my flag, I love my country, and I always will.
Go on and move there since its so ing fantastic.
Then so ing be it. That's what we get.
But what you don't do IMO is start propping up capitalism with federal money we don't even have. In case people forgot, not only are we handing out billions of dollars to subsidize greedy and risky lending practices, but we're doing it at a time when Bush has racked up a half trillion dollar budget deficit. So it, bring on the third world in America, or does the "free-hand" only apply when money is being made?
It shouldn't necessarily, but if it's going to be redistributed (and it is) it's a lot more honorable to do it in the name of healthcare as opposed to keeping greedy and stupid capitalist markets/corporations afloat.
Have you seen what the medical care in Cuba is like? You might want to research it before making ignorant statements.
Edit: And a big part of the reason that Cuba's healthcare is so terrible is because of the US trade embargo that purposefully denies Cuba's access to pharmaceuticals.
well I lived in Venezuela for 8 years and I can tell you, you don't know what you're talking about. First of all, I've lived in enough South American nations to know that that wiki bull you just posted about Venezuela's health care infracstructure being the strongest in South America is just that, bull .
Once you've seen the state of public hospitals in Caracas or Maracaibo (the 2 most populated cities in Venezuela) then you can weight in. Otherwise, stick to what you've experienced. You don't have a ing clue how good you have it in the US.
Word of advice, wiki is a seriously unreliable source of information bro.
Look man. I said I'd bet that their healthcare is piss-poor. I said that.
I'm just saying, there are 45 million people in America who don't even have piss-poor healthcare. If you're one of them, you get cancer and go to the hospital- they'll say too bad, come up with the money (hundreds and hundreds of thousands) or get the out and die someplace. Of course from a quality standpoint, private healthcare in America is better than public healthcare in Venezuela, I'm not even trying to argue otherwise. Just realize that for 45 million people the tiness of the Venezuelan healthcare system is a luxury that the American system doesn't even begin to afford them.
Don't get me wrong ballijuana, I agree with you on a number of things, but picking Venezuela as an example of how a country should be run is absolutely ludicrous.
Cool and no hard feelings whatsoever, but I'm not even trying to say Venezuela is a good example of how a country should be run. Originally I was just juxtaposing what their income redistribution goes to as opposed to what America's income redistribution goes to.
Then again, I'm sure Chavez and his homies aren't doing too bad... So I don't really know what I'm trying to say (don't quote that out of context anybody), but right now I'm more ashamed of America than I've ever been before. I'm just pissed off and frankly, scared. Not a good feeling.
I won't go into what I think of Chavez 'cause that's a 20 page thread on its own
I get what you're saying though. I understand how you might be a little disillusioned with what's going on in the US. I still think you have it good, but I can see what you're saying.
You do not talk about Project Mayhem. The rule is still in effect.
It's basically reverse robin hood. Taking from the taxpayers and giving to the huge corporations. If the taxpayers now own 80% of AIG, where's my check?
Cuba still gets plenty from the rest of the world. (Edit: Cuba still has access to plenty from the rest of the world. Access that is denied from within. See next line.)
A big part of the reason that Cuba's healthcare is so terrible is because there are still Castros alive and kicking.
But they do have those kickass rice cookers...
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And the majority of them don't have healthcare because (1) they're here illegally, or (2) they have access but choose not to purchase any.
Try doing a little REAL research before shooting off that extra asshole you call a mouth. And wikipedia is NOT real research.
2007 numbers
Non-citizens without health coverage: 9,737,000
Earning $50,000-$74,999 w/o coverage: 8,488,000
Earning $75,000 or more w/o coverage: 9,115,000
I was told by kori this type of reply was not acceptable in the club that is what i was told.
And with all the free health care and education the cubans still prefer to risk their lives trying to get to a country where they won`t get any of that.
They just want freedom.
And the worst part is- those individuals who owned stock in AIG are up the creek. None of this actually helps those whse stocks plummeted 90% to regain any of the money they lost.
Part of me wants to feel bad for people who are losing homes, but I just can not muster up enough sympathy for people who bought things they can not afford. I did not do that. I did not go out and purchase a home that I never should have. We are not talking about a life necessity such as food or healthcare- we are talking about the choice to purchase a home. I still believe in personal responsibility and people who did this are facing the consequences of their own poor judgement. The ins utions that loaned them the money are facing the consequences of their own bad judgement. It worries me that so much of what I encounter in the world today is about saving people from the consequences of their own actions and choices when I truly believe what people need to learn is that there are consequences to your bad choices. It is what I try to teach my child. You made your bed- now, lie in it.
I've got a great power point presentation that explains just how this mess happened...is there any way to post it so it can be hot linked?
you need to have it on a server somewhere...
Travis...I will e-mail it to you...you're gonna love it.
Choosing not to purchase it.
Lets say you make 50k a year. Thats about 3,300 a month take home. For say an average family of 3 not 4 but 3 for the sake of the arguement.
Lets say you have a normal house payment at a conservative 760 a month.
Lets say you have one vehicle paid for and another you're paying on at a modest 265 a month. I'll break down the rest as followed
House 760
car 265
insurance for both the vehicles and your home 240
power 175 (unbelievably conservative)
water 30
phone/cable/internet 125
food at 125 weekly for three people 500 monthly not counting 5 week months. Food is getting expensive I find that figure also to be real low.
Gas for 2 vehicles at a very conservative 45 weekly for each comes to 360 monthly.
Lets say you spend a very conservative 1500 annually on clothing, shoes, hair cuts and modest accesories so you don't look homeless and maintain your 50k salary. Thats 125 monthly.
Vehicle and home maintenance at a modest 1000 annually for oil changes, minor repairs and any home repair project or upkeep. 83 a month.
Lets say your not a and you eat out once a month 60 bucks.
Lets say you very modestly spend 75 bucks a month on frivolous things like gifts for a family members birthday or anniversary.
Now you're real smart and decide to save a conservative 100 a month for your retirement because you won't have SS when you get older.
You're now sitting at 2,900 a month. Thats very little disposible income considering most people have addition payments like loans, student loans, possibly a second vehicle, credit cards and so forth. I spend 50 bucks alone if I have a BBQ and thats without beer.
I'm sure managable insurance would runs as low as say 400 a month. Most good quality insurance companies cost 600 a month and more. Thats a lot of ing money. Then you have to co-pays and pill pays and they never cover the full amounts of major surgerys or cancer treatments.
NO ING WAY IT BOILS DOWN TO PEOPLE SIMPLY NOT WANTING TO PAY FOR IT.
Its just not affordablye or reasonable unless you want to take your hard earned heavily taxed income and live in sville driving a vehicle. Not to mention the maintenance expense associated with a cheaper car or house would likely elcipse higher monthly payments for quality.
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