Are the halls of science as intolerant as the Houses of the Holy?

[The Reckoning]

i think its a really good point. but i couldnt help it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrTrzsIxcXs

[baseline bum]

For those who study multiple religions, they will all agree that most have the many of the same stories, including, the creation. They vary a little, but there is historical writings on the subject that cannot be denied. The Sumerians have the creation of mankind story that can be directly translated to mankind being genetically altered from the life forms found here to suit their needs as more intelligent slaves.

There's also lots of historical writings about Zeus living on Mount Olympus, Moses being a 900 year-old man, the Loch Ness monster, and so on, but stories not supported by physical evidence can easily be cons and cannot be trusted.

As for observation and reasoning... We now understand genetic engineering. We see marvels on the earth that are unexplainable except for sciences lost to us, or help by a higher power. I am not going to take the time to make a comprehensive list This forum gets to be too much these days for me to read all the threads as it is now.

You probably should make a list if you're going to go out on a limb and say only the existence of some set of gods can explain complexity in nature.

Why is complexity in nature proof of God? Is it the second law argument? The argument that it's mathematically unlikely for molecules to randomly order themselves in complex structures that support life?

With the billions of stars out there, few people today believe we are alone in the universe. There are still many things unexplained, but the Gods of the Earth may simply be visitors from elsewhere, or an advanced race before us that died. They could have mastered genetic engineering far beyond our understanding, and modified the earth. Evolution has missing links. Without finding cause for the several missing links in nature, evolution is not a credible theory alone. Those of us who have taken the time to understand religion a bit deeper, and the sciences, see that these two theories actually work hand-in-hand as they are both incomplete by themselves.

This is laughable that conjectures with no supporting evidence that are completely inconsistent with a testable and consistent theory should be allowed equal standing in a class that is supposed to teach skepticism.

Notice that I try to leave 'the creation' out of this. Religious writings are too vague on the subject to a higher power manipulating the matter of the solar system. This could be terra-forming, or simply a story. I think we all agree the real debate is Intelligent Design and Evolution. The Creation should be classed as a hypothesis in my view.

This kills me when people want to officially leave their god out of intelligent design. Intelligent design is painted with such a broad brush that it could be anything. Maybe our god is gravity. Maybe natural selection is the unknown power. Basically, an unknown explanation gets labeled the intelligent designer. Hooray, we've given a name and a face to the idea of I don't know.

[The Reckoning]

its called agnosticism

[Mr. Peabody]

This kills me when people want to officially leave their god out of intelligent design. Intelligent design is painted with such a broad brush that it could be anything. Maybe our god is gravity. Maybe natural selection is the unknown power. Basically, an unknown explanation gets labeled the intelligent designer. Hooray, we've given a name and a face to the idea of I don't know.

[BradLohaus]

I think it's funny that people on either side get so worked up over high school biology in public schools - it's almost like they actually think it matters.

I took 2 years of high school biology. I learned about this stuff from the JV volleyball coach and the OC for the football team... like millions of other high school students.

I'll say this: it's been about a decade, and I'm still pretty good at paper football.

[Mr. Peabody]

I think it's funny that people on either side get so worked up over high school biology in public schools - it's almost like they actually think it matters.

I took 2 years of high school biology. I learned about this stuff from the JV volleyball coach and the OC for the football team... like millions of other high school students.

I'll say this: it's been about a decade, and I'm still pretty good at paper football.

Yeah, we had the JV football coach. He taught straight from the book and it seemed as if he was learning it as we were learning it. He also wasn't very good at handling questions if the answer wasn't in a chapter we'd covered.

[baseline bum]

I think it's funny that people on either side get so worked up over high school biology in public schools - it's almost like they actually think it matters.

I took 2 years of high school biology. I learned about this stuff from the JV volleyball coach and the OC for the football team... like millions of other high school students.

I'll say this: it's been about a decade, and I'm still pretty good at paper football.

The reason to get worked up over it is that we need to be producing good engineers to fix Detroit, to ensure a strong national defense against the looming threat of China, to develop alternative energy sources so we're not making our enemies rich, and so on. Trying to dumb scientific education down with instruction that runs contrary to the skepticism one should be learning in his biology class is unforgivable. Anti-intellectualism is not something we should be teaching impressionable high school freshmen when we have such a need for qualified minds to get this back into being a producer instead of such a service economy. Praying sure isn't going to get us back to being compe ive in automobiles, electronics, energy, etc.