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I refuse to take seriously anyone who believes Sarah Palin is the greatest VP pick in history. You have zero credibility whottt.
"In what respect Charlie?"
Yeah idiot? And prior to 2004 American had never re-elected a President that lost the popular vote....much less given him a majority.
That Bush barely beat another yacht-riding, wine-sipping Dukakis despite being a wartime in bent says a lot.
No ...says the Democrats sucked at a historic level, they gave arguably the most unpopular President in history more votes than any President in history.
Well done...
PS: Your VP from 2004 is a bigger s bag than Cheney and your VP from 2000 is now supporting the Republicans.
Who's stupid?
Talk about having your together.
I refuse to take seriously anyone who believes Sarah Palin is the greatest VP pick in history. You have zero credibility whottt.
"In what respect Charlie?"
Well yeah and gas prices of course.
You do realize why they did that don't you?You do realize that this past week banks completely stopped lending money in an economy where if businesses don't get loans they have no capital on hand, right?
If they have no capital on hand they have to sell off assets in order to get that capital but if no one has capital how are they going to buy? If no one is able to get capital how are they going to pay their employees?
This is sooooooooooooooo ing deep right now.
BUT this is an entirely different thread.
I'll say this, I've been glued to political news for months now. I took some time over the past few days to read about what this whole mess actually is in order to get a better understanding of it. Well, for the first time in months I think political news may not matter.
I'm worried. Really really really worried. This is so much deeper than 99% of this country realizes right now.
When companies fall others will rise up to fill the void...honestly, this isn't going to be that bad for the consumer who has his together.
Banks aren't going to stop lending money...
Todays polls:
Code:PresidentSenateHouseGovernorJob Approval/Misc.Sunday, September 21 Race Poll Results Spread National Gallup Tracking Obama 49, McCain 45 Obama +4 National Rasmussen Tracking Obama 48, McCain 47 Obama +1 National Hotline/FD Tracking Obama 45, McCain 44 Obama +1 Florida Sun-Sentinel/R2000 McCain 46, Obama 45 McCain +1 Iowa Quad-City Times/R2000 Obama 53, McCain 39 Obama +14 Florida Miami Herald/SP Times McCain 47, Obama 45 McCain +2 Ohio Ohio Newspaper Poll McCain 48, Obama 42 McCain +6 Alabama Press Register McCain 52, Obama 25 McCain +27
BTW, I am officially taking Research 2000 off my list of valid polls. I can't believe those guys are allowed to have their polls posted with other legitimate pollsters.
They already have!!!!! Why do you think this is happening? They are unwilling to lend anyone money right now and when the interest rate is already ing ZERO there really isn't the fed can do which is why we're in this mess of needing them to buy these assets. Everyone's investing within the housing market and spreading these bad loans with other investments have absolutely crushed the credit rating of everyone around. No one is able to borrow money right now and they need to have a constant supply of short term loans in order to make their businesses function.
Its not "just the housing market" its the entire American financial system on the edge of a collapse.
Seriously, very few people have a full grasp of just what is going on. Its pretty scary .
~Manny
Great week of polling for Obama. All he needs is a solid debate performance to wrap this baby up.
McCain blew his wad way too soon and his negative campaigning fully backfired in his face. Whatever October surprise he has left will fall on deaf ears.
Eh...nothing a few corporate bonds won't remedy, if the details are right.
Look...there are primarily 3 segments that are going to take this up the ass...the lending ins utions that gave bad loans, the people that encouraged people to take those loans, and the people that took them.
You call it a tragedy...I call it justice.
What I don't understand is how you think Obama's plan to increase corporate taxes, payroll taxes, and capital gains taxes, is going to remedy this situation. And obviously even Obama doesn't think it's a good idea now...which is why he is saying he won't do it now...but it was just two weeks ago he was talking about doing it.
I mean if you are informed you would realize that is going to put the stock market out of business, force corporations out of the country, and jobs, not to mention increase the burden on all the already cash strapped ins utions.
And since the interest rates are non-existent the bond market isn't going to benefit from that pull out to the degree that it typically has...
No, that money is going to exit the country.
Along with those corporations.
Along with those jobs.
And on top of all this, Obama has an 800 billion dollar global poverty bill on the table that only W is preventing from going through at this time...if he gets elected with that lefty congress that baby is passed. Guaranteed.
How can you justify any of that making sense?
You're a smart guy Manny...it doesn't make sense.
It only makes sense if your goal is to bankrupt the country.
It's not going to make it any easier for anyone to pay their bills. Basically the segment of society that doesn't pay any income tax is going to get a couple thousand dollars, while there is going to be a mass exodus of wealth from this country...
Obama is simply going to buy votes on the cheap to pull this off.
Seriously, very few people have a full grasp of just what is going on. Its pretty scary .
~Manny
Well...I was ready to begin stockbroking last summer, the reason I didn't is because there was a mandatory 250 dollar a month transaction fee and I didn't think I could get the clients in the current environment to even attempt paying that fee. 2 years ago I was in the "hottest" real estate market in the country and after losing my ass for a year figured it would be wise to get the out of that situation.
Plus, my mom is the top stockbroker in the Southwestern United States for an Independent Brokerage Firm owned by AIG, she's also the former treasurer for a major public utlity in the state of Texas and has brokered multi billion dollar muni bond offerings...she's pretty informed. And she had a really exicting week as you might imagine.
She wouldn't vote for Obama if you put a gun to her head...
Obama is tied in NC according to the latest NC poll! If McCain has to seriously defend VA and NC it will severely limit his ability to go on the offensive and pick off some rust belt Kerry states.
@ a few corporate bonds. Who's going to buy bonds from a company on the verge of bankruptcy?
BTW you should find where I said Obama has a good economic plan, Whottt. I'm interested to see where that is.
Well Carl Icahn and Kirk Kerkorian are two that immediately come to mind.
But beyond that, who says it's going to be the banks on the verge of bankruptcy offering them?
I am talking about banks with sound financial structure looking to expand their market cap and fill the void left by those that went under.
And finally...it's all in the type of bond, if the banks offering them are sound and have sound lending practices, it might be one of the best investments in the world right now.
I haven't seen you say he's got a good economic plan. But damned if I can see any other reason for people to be so infatuated with the dude. He's going to tax the rich...that's what I figured leads to his fanatical appeal among some.
It damn sure can't be his war stance anymore...
He's already backed off an immediate pull out of Iraq and is saying he is going to work with the Iraqi PM(which is what the Republicans have been saying from day 1)...that's the only teason I was considering voting for him. There's no other reason to vote for him.
All these tax promises he's making are BS promises that he won't be able to keep...I promise you that....the fact that he's already backed off of rescinding the Bush tax cuts should indicate even he's not willing to tell that kind of lie.
Ultimately...you look at Obama and he's a lawyer...I ask you, how many times have you dealt with a lawyer and come out ahead?
I worked for one a Democrat(which incidentally is around the time I started leaning right).....all he did was the poor, in particular minorities. All the while claiming to be their champion. He preyed upon them.
Anyway...I'm not going to try and change your mind. I'll just encourage you to keep studying the causes of this like you are already doing...see what you end up thinking.
What it means is the race is still fluid, undecideds have not made up their minds yet and likely will not until the debates are over. Right now Obama has a lot of voters leaning his way, he needs to bring them home.
Strong debate performance = President Barack Hussein Obama in '09.
He doesn't need to soundly defeat McCain. He just needs to have a solid performance that reassures voters he will be a safe pick.
The more paths Obama has to 270 the better. It means he can spread out his resources now and force McCain to play defense in areas he may not have wanted to, which will also limit how much offense McCain can play considering his age and the fact that Palin has to campaign everywhere with him.
And what banks without sound structure would that be? Which investment banks have low exposure to the sub prime loans?
Do you realize how far reaching this goes? Do you realize that everyone of these banks that fails just starts another domino on another failure? If AIG had failed you would have had a chain reaction of insurance contracts that needed to be fullfiled or proved to be sound which would have flooded the market with assets which would devalue those assets in turn forcing other corportaions' credit ratings lowered because their assests were now worth less requring them to have more capital on hand which would require the selling of more assets and the futher devaluation of said assets etc etc etc etc
Do you see how the dependency on short term credit and the inability of firms to gain access to such credit starts a chain reaction?
I am well aware of that...which is why the government had no choice but to bail them out.
AIG is the largest insurance company in the entire world. They also own about 8 brokerage firms.
Not only that but probably a hundred thousand people in the US alone would have been out of work, and that's not including all the Independent Contractors that work for them.
Still...it would not have been the end of the US if they had gone under.
Do you see how the dependency on short term credit and the inability of firms to gain access to such credit starts a chain reaction?
It's about greed Manny...
Nonthless, with the US having just slightly fewer Jews than Israel...I can promise you money is going to be lent here.
Cool we can add "bigot" to you current list of les. I also count, "moron", "idiot", "gay", "dimwit"...and several others relating to your lack of intelligence.
PS: To Manny or Florige...if you guys want to make an appearance in the NY Indepence Party thread I have some information to share probably relevant to this thread. If you guys are interested...looking for the participation of some libs I don't have on ignore before I do that though.
I'm having a hard time believing whottt is real. Nobody can be this stupid.
I'm convinced it's satire because you're right. No one can be that stupid.
It has to be. Either that or Obama ed this kid's mom.
Have you ever read his stuff in the spurs forum?
OH...he's real....
What do "Jews" have to do with this?
Hmmm...I am not interested in going where you want to go with this. Sorry.
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