Updates: Viktor Sanikidze

[timvp]

So, tomorrow will be the day that we will know for sure Vik's new team. Hope it will be AEK and if that is what is going to happen, then I promise to keep you updated every week for his performance, streangths, weaknesses and overall game!

Awesome, thanks

I'm guessing Sanikidze would make a lot more money in Greek than in Estonia. Not sure which league would be better for him but I'm just hoping he gets to play a lot this year and actually stays healthy for once.

PS: Anyone who has any kind of questions about any European player (especially from the major leagues) can ask for infos.

DO you think Javtokas is NBA caliber?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Awesome, thanks

I'm guessing Sanikidze would make a lot more money in Greek than in Estonia. Not sure which league would be better for him but I'm just hoping he gets to play a lot this year and actually stays healthy for once.

Is this joke? Greek League is elite league in Europe. only one comparable is Spanish League. If he did well in Greece Spurs would sign him. Remember Spurs fans like Washington as backup point guard and he was not able to handle be starter for mid level Greek team.

AEK is very big sports club one of biggest in Europe. But basketball side has horrible managers. And they have many issues with paying players and selecting players. i do not know if this is right team for him because AEK is in very bad era now even though they are one of key clubs in Greece. Papanikolaou and Hatzis are stars of AEK but they are getting old and Papanikolaou has have injury issues. So it would make sense to get Sanikidze for AEK but i think he can do better with other Greek team.

He should try Panionios. They have cheap owner and small budget but owner is very rich he can easy pay good contract many time more than $70,000. They need SF and they are Euroleague team. If they add player like Sani at backup SF they should be able repeat trip to Euroleague again after this year also. I think would be much better for him go to club like Panionios and spend next couple years in Euroleague.

[timvp]

Is this joke? Greek League is elite league in Europe.

AEK is very big sports club one of biggest in Europe. But basketball side has horrible managers. And they have many issues with paying players and selecting players. i do not know if this is right team for him because AEK is in very bad era now even though they are one of key clubs in Greece.

You just figured it out on your own. Congrats.

[Crus]

If I am about to give a simple yes or no, then it will probably be a yes.
He came 2 years ago to play for panathinaikos in Greece from a quite respectfull in Europe team, Lietuvos. Though he didn't show much in his year in Greece and left the year after to join the Russian Dynamo. He got improved there, but I think his performance in the Olympic Game with Lithuania was moderate.
Although has the body and streangth for the NBA, he is quite slow. His short and middle range shot is at least adequate, as most Lithuanians.. He has some variety of moves and especially his hook and back play game is very good. Though, NBA game has more speed and requires offensive defense, things that Jav doesn't have and probably will never aquire. To compare him with someone there you probably know, Tsakalidis (former AEK and then Suns player) he is for sure a much better center, but more or less a 5-10 min's guy that will come from the bench to make some fouls, get some rebounds and score 2-3 shots. He is (as of quallity and talent measures) not a Gasol, Nowitzki or a Kirilenko.

Hope that helps.

[timvp]

Hope that helps.

Good info. Thanks.

[Crus]

Is this joke? Greek League is elite league in Europe. only one comparable is Spanish League. If he did well in Greece Spurs would sign him. Remember Spurs fans like Washington as backup point guard and he was not able to handle be starter for mid level Greek team.

AEK is very big sports club one of biggest in Europe. But basketball side has horrible managers. And they have many issues with paying players and selecting players. i do not know if this is right team for him because AEK is in very bad era now even though they are one of key clubs in Greece. Papanikolaou and Hatzis are stars of AEK but they are getting old and Papanikolaou has have injury issues. So it would make sense to get Sanikidze for AEK but i think he can do better with other Greek team.

He should try Panionios. They have cheap owner and small budget but owner is very rich he can easy pay good contract many time more than $70,000. They need SF and they are Euroleague team. If they add player like Sani at backup SF they should be able repeat trip to Euroleague again after this year also. I think would be much better for him go to club like Panionios and spend next couple years in Euroleague.

I agree with both comments about the Greek League and AEK former status. This year, is a transition period for AEK. Small budget, but as the management changed it is fully covered from season beggining, so Sani will surely get paid. Also I totally disagree with Sani going to Panionios for 2 reasons.
First, because if what you say here proves to be correct, then it will majorly help my team to improve.
Secondly and as for Sani improvement, he will get far more time in AEK (you said yourself the injury prb's Papanikolaou has) rather in Panionios. After all considering Panionios current roster, he wont have much time to play in the Euroleague (on which Panionios most probably will play just a few games).

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

If I am about to give a simple yes or no, then it will probably be a yes.
He came 2 years ago to play for panathinaikos in Greece from a quite respectfull in Europe team, Lietuvos. Though he didn't show much in his year in Greece and left the year after to join the Russian Dynamo. He got improved there, but I think his performance in the Olympic Game with Lithuania was moderate.
Although has the body and streangth for the NBA, he is quite slow. His short and middle range shot is at least adequate, as most Lithuanians.. He has some variety of moves and especially his hook and back play game is very good. Though, NBA game has more speed and requires offensive defense, things that Jav doesn't have and probably will never aquire. To compare him with someone there you probably know, Tsakalidis (former AEK and then Suns player) he is for sure a much better center, but more or less a 5-10 min's guy that will come from the bench to make some fouls, get some rebounds and score 2-3 shots. He is (as of quallity and talent measures) not a Gasol, Nowitzki or a Kirilenko.

Hope that helps.

Panathinaikos was not good club for him. Obradovic does not really like such players as Javtokas.

[Crus]

Panathinaikos was not good club for him. Obradovic does not really like such players as Javtokas.

Indeed, but why he chose him then? As I said before, I don't think that his Greek performance reflects his talent though.. You must also consider the defence aspect. Obradovic (the coach of panathinaikos) loves his team to play offensive defence, something that Jav doesn't have and probably one of the main reasons he spent most of the time in the bench.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

I agree with both comments about the Greek League and AEK present status. Though, I totally disagree with Sani going to Panionios for 2 reasons. First, because if what you say here proves to be correct, then it will majorly help my team to improve.
Secondly and as for Sani improvement, he will get far more time in AEK (you said yourself the injury prb's Papanikolaou has) rather in Panionios. After all considering Panionios current roster, he wont have much time to play in the Euroleague (on which Panionios most probably will play just a few games).

In AEK i think he can become starter at SF. In Panionios he would probably be backup for Cvetković. Panionios had Newley and was happy to send him off when they can get Cvetković. But I think would be ok for him in Panionios because backup Sf there is Georgallis. I think Georgallis should me more third string SF in team that is try make top 16 of Euroleague.

I believe Sani would be make #2 SF in Panionios. Only weakness Panionios seem have to me is backup SF and with player like Sani there they should be able make top 16 of Euroleague no problem with some of other players they have.

If Sani goes to AEK I hope he do well and help AEK. Is sad how AEK and PAOK have been and is hurt Greek basketball a lot. PAOK have much better team this year and so now AEK needs to get better. So if he do come to AEK it should help keep them from relegation.

[mountainballer]

So, tomorrow will be the day that we will know for sure Vik's new team. Hope it will be AEK and if that is what is going to happen, then I promise to keep you updated every week for his performance, streangths, weaknesses and overall game!

PS: Anyone who has any kind of questions about any European player (especially from the major leagues) can ask for infos.

welcome! great insight and great posts.
please keep it coming! this forum does quite need some reasonable infos from Greece to "balance" the flow of informations from there.

[Crus]

In AEK i think he can become starter at SF. In Panionios he would probably be backup for Cvetković. Panionios had Newley and was happy to send him off when they can get Cvetković. But I think would be ok for him in Panionios because backup Sf there is Georgallis. I think Georgallis should me more third string SF in team that is try make top 16 of Euroleague.

I believe Sani would be make #2 SF in Panionios. Only weakness Panionios seem have to me is backup SF and with player like Sani there they should be able make top 16 of Euroleague no problem with some of other players they have.

If Sani goes to AEK I hope he do well and help AEK. Is sad how AEK and PAOK have been and is hurt Greek basketball a lot. PAOK have much better team this year and so now AEK needs to get better. So if he do come to AEK it should help keep them from relegation.

Relegation is not an option and wont happen. I don't just say that, I believe it. There are far more weaker teams than AEK (AEL, Trikala, Aigaleo, Kavala etc) and we will not loose many games at home. Anyway we moved the discussion in another topic, so sticking back to our subject, AEK has only 2 weaknesses right now. The SF main or backup and C backup position. If Sani comes and again proves the things many of you wrote in here, then he will be for sure the SF main cover for AEK. Though, there are 2 things that I consider for Sani. First he is from Georgia... I haven't seen many talented Georgian players... Secondly his injury (mainly knees) proness and the lack of competive pro season games he had until now.

PS: thanks for the welcome guys!

[max1981]

Tartu Rock vs AEK Athens contract:

All news here has been that Sanikidze has agreed Rock terms but not signed contract yet - so it wasn't 100% sure thing.

But there hasn't been any other news here also ...so can't comment about AEK Athens deal. Didn't find any info about that also.

Crus can you give any web link what confirms that deal?

One of my friend knows Rock manager ...maybe I'll get some new info later.

[spursest]

Everybody here say that he will sign for us, although news from Finland suggest that he will be a Tartu player for the season. I'm sure that the Greek League is far more a better choice than the Finnish one and probably the best in Europe (along with the Spanish). Unfortunately if he finally signs .

Finland? Tartu Rock is an Estonian team and doesn't play in Finnish league.
You are seriously overrating Greek league - ACB, Russian Superliga and even maybe Lega A are all stronger than Greek league. Greeks only got Panathinaikos, Olympiakos, Aris and maybe we even could include Panionios to that list.
And for your information Rock beat PAOK (which by the way competes in your superior Greek league) twice last year (69:58 & 90:80).
Quite an arrogant behaviour from you I'd say.

Sorry for the off-topic guys!
Latest news in Estonia say that theres a verbal agreement between Sanikidze and Rock. Rock already signed the contract and now they are waiting for Sanikidze. Probably one factor why he has decided to sign for Rock is that his fellow countryman Giorgi Tsintsadže also plays there.
Sanikidze, at the moment, is in Georgia waiting for Estonian visa.
It should only be a matter of time when he gets to Estonia.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Tartu Rock vs AEK Athens contract:

All news here has been that Sanikidze has agreed Rock terms but not signed contract yet - so it wasn't 100% sure thing.

But there hasn't been any other news here also ...so can't comment about AEK Athens deal. Didn't find any info about that also.

Crus can you give any web link what confirms that deal?

One of my friend knows Rock manager ...maybe I'll get some new info later.

I not know about this issue. But if Tartu contract offer is $70,000 AEK will offer much more. $70,000 US contract is something like very young players coming from junior team would get in Greece A1. NBA draft pick will get much more then this in club like AEK. But club like AEK size will want him pass physicals I think. Club like Tartu probably not care and just want chance to sign him.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Finland? Tartu Rock is an Estonian team and doesn't play in Finnish league.
You are seriously overrating Greek league - ACB, Russian Superliga and even maybe Lega A are all stronger than Greek league. Greeks only got Panathinaikos, Olympiakos, Aris and maybe we even could include Panionios to that list.
And for your information Rock beat PAOK (which by the way competes in your superior Greek league) twice last year (69:58 & 90:80).
Quite an arrogant behaviour from you I'd say.

Sorry for the off-topic guys!
Latest news in Estonia say that theres a verbal agreement between Sanikidze and Rock. Rock already signed the contract and now they are waiting for Sanikidze. Probably one factor why he has decided to sign for Rock is that his fellow countryman Giorgi Tsintsadže also plays there.
Sanikidze, at the moment, is in Georgia waiting for Estonian visa.
It's should only be a matter of time when he gets to Estonia.

We always here how poor Greece league in American forums. is all craps and lies. If you think Italy league? This is hilarious thing. You must be make serious joke. Russia league is very strong but not as much as Greece.

Spain is stronger because is much deeper but in last recent years Spain league has dropped a little bit. Greece league is for sure #2 in Europe. You are fool if you think otherwise.

[Crus]

Tartu Rock vs AEK Athens contract:

All news here has been that Sanikidze has agreed Rock terms but not signed contract yet - so it wasn't 100% sure thing.

But there hasn't been any other news here also ...so can't comment about AEK Athens deal. Didn't find any info about that also.

Crus can you give any web link what confirms that deal?

One of my friend knows Rock manager ...maybe I'll get some new info later.

Everything started when Sani played with Georgia against Sweeden in the Europe Qual's. Our coach (Flevarakis) is also the head coach for the Swedish national team. Info's say that was quite impressive with arround 20 points and 10 rebs, so Flevarakis decided to approach him in order to cover the SF position (main or backup we'll see). He was very near with Tartu, but he hasn't signed any contract with them yet. The info about Tartu and Sani came from Eurobasket.com, a site that often makes maaaaany mistakes in rosters and new signings (I have many examples to give...). The Greek athletic press says that Sani will send his contract with AEK signed, today or tomorrow. So, it is just a matter of hours to be sure. I can provide links, but there are all in Greek... My personal opinion is that he will be an AEK player, considering the vast difference between Esthonian (sorry guys for the mess) and Greek League compe ion.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Tartu is not bad club. is strongest club of Estonia for sure and also he can play in baltic league which is good league and the Eurocup which is very good league. So Tartu would also be ok team for him to play with. But he need to be in Euroleague team. That why I suggest Panionios.

Anyway Tartu is decent club for Europe but please stop with hilarious nonsense like Lega A is better then Greek A1. is make me just laugh too much. Russia Super league is imporve a lot and have very strong teams but still Greece league is a little better I think. But Italy league better? This is nonsense and funny.

[Crus]

Finland? Tartu Rock is an Estonian team and doesn't play in Finnish league.
You are seriously overrating Greek league - ACB, Russian Superliga and even maybe Lega A are all stronger than Greek league. Greeks only got Panathinaikos, Olympiakos, Aris and maybe we even could include Panionios to that list.
And for your information Rock beat PAOK (which by the way competes in your superior Greek league) twice last year (69:58 & 90:80).
Quite an arrogant behaviour from you I'd say.

Sorry for the off-topic guys!
Latest news in Estonia say that theres a verbal agreement between Sanikidze and Rock. Rock already signed the contract and now they are waiting for Sanikidze. Probably one factor why he has decided to sign for Rock is that his fellow countryman Giorgi Tsintsadže also plays there.
Sanikidze, at the moment, is in Georgia waiting for Estonian visa.
It should only be a matter of time when he gets to Estonia.

Mate lets not get into this discussion, cause as you've said before is an offtopic one. But trying to prove that Esthonian League is atleast comparable with the Greek one is quite funny... You've provided the example of paok against tartu, but you don't mention that paok last year avoided relegation in the last game and was probably the worst team in the league, when tartu was -I think- champions there.
Also, I agree with your comments about the power of the Russian and Spanish league, but the Greek one is if not comparable with the Spanish one, at least very close to it and surely better than the Russian. Just consider the Greek teams that won European Championship trophies (in Euroleague, Fiba Euroleague, Euroleague cup and Eurocup) the last 20 years and you will understand that the things you say are at least incorrect. Greek league is not only olympiakos, panathinaikos and aris. Is also AEK (b4 2-3 years atleast), paok (historic team too), panionios and even marousi (fiba euroleague champions in 2001 and 2nd place in 2004).

[spursest]

We always here how poor Greece league in American forums. is all craps and lies. If you think Italy league? This is hilarious thing. You must be make serious joke. Russia league is very strong but not as much as Greece.

Spain is stronger because is much deeper but in last recent years Spain league has dropped a little bit. Greece league is for sure #2 in Europe. You are fool if you think otherwise.

Maybe my first post was littlebit emotional. I'm not from USA though so you can't blame American forums.
I agree that the top level of Greek league (Panathinaikos, Olympiakos, Aris, Panionios) is stronger than Lega A's top level (Montepaschi, Lottomatica, Armani) but in my opinion the overall level (rest of the teams) is stronger in Lega A.
That's just my opinion.

Mate lets not get to this discussion too much cause as you've said is an offtopic one. But trying to prove that Esthonian League is atleast comparable with the Greek one is quite funny...

No, you got me wrong there. I didn't want to say that Estonian league can be compared to Greek league. Estonian league isn't anywhere near to Greek league.
Rock will play in KML (Estonia league, which I said before is very-very weak), Baltic League (best teams from the Baltic countries play there. Including Žalgiris, Rytas, ASK) and EuroCup (Few European powerhouses, who actually would deserve Euroleague place, play there).
There's plenty of chances for Sanikidze to get noticed and move on to the better clubs. In Greece he would only play in one league.

[Crus]

No, you got me wrong there. I didn't want to say that Estonian league can be compared to Greek league. Estonian league isn't anywhere near to Greek league.
Rock will play in KML (Estonia league, which I said before is very weak), Baltic League (best teams from the Baltic countries play there. Including Žalgiris, Rytas, ASK) and EuroCup (Few European powerhouses, who actually would deserve Euroleague place, play there).
There's plenty of chances for Sanikidze to get noticed and move on to the better clubs. In Greece he would only play in one league.

I disagree with you, cause compe ion in the Esthonian and Baltic League is far more behind than the Greek one. Also, I said b4 that AEK had the chance to play for the Eurocup but decided not to, as the game there becomes compe ive only after quarterfinals or so (on which tartu probably won't even reach). Before that, most of the teams are far away from Greece and travel means loosing 2 days of practise every week in order to play a...practise game actually. Euroleague is all the money and can help a player to learn and improve, Eurocup is not. Also, playing in more than one league (which are not very compe ive) isn't something better rather than playing in one which can surely help you more in develop as a player.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Mate lets not get to this discussion too much cause as you've said is an offtopic one. But trying to prove that Esthonian League is atleast comparable with the Greek one is quite funny... You've provided the example of paok against tartu, but you don't mention that paok last year avoided relegation in the last game and was probably the worst team in the league, when tartu was -I think- champions there.
Also, I agree with your comments about the power of the Russian and Spanish league, but the Greek one is if not comparable, at least very close to these too. Only consider the Greek teams that won European Championship trophies the last 20 years and you will understand that the things you say is at least incorrect. Greek league is not only olympiakos, p[anathinaikos and aris. Is also AEK (b4 2-3 years atleast), paok, panionios and even marousi (fiba euroleague champions in 2001 and 2nd place in 2004).

Yes. I hear this same craps so many times here in forum.

PAO
Olympiacos
Aris
Maroussi
Panionios
PAOK
AEK

When all of these teams is strong Greece league is best in all Europe and ACB cannot even touch it. of course we see this. 1980s Italy was best league then in 1990s was Greece and this decade was Spain. It is in eras. But right now Italy league is weak. Is funny to even put it with Greek league in this time.

PAOK and AEK have been in down years. Last year PAOK was worst in history I never remember PAOK team ever as bad as one from last year. This year PAOK is much superior by far to team of last year.

Anyway AEK is one that look worst ever to me now.

Is true that clubs like PAOK and AEK have been in bad era but now PAOK looks better. But in current era there is still PAO, Olympiacos, Aris, Panionios, Maroussi. is like fans in US and other places of Europe believe other clubs not even exist if not Oly or PAO.

Even with just the era of these 5 clubs Greece league is one of best in Europe and Panellinios is becoming a strong team now also. Is true that because this era PAOK and AEK have been bad Spain league is better and much deeper.

But even now this season I look at 7 good teams for this year in Greece.

PAO
Olympiacos
Panionios
Panellinios
Maroussi
PAOK
Aris

Aris I am little unsure about but even this might be weakest of these 7 teams Aris would win Estonia League.

I am not sure Russian league is better than Greece now it does not look like it as good as Greece still to me. I think right now top teams of each league is like this:

1. CSKA - PAO = PAO

2. Khimki - Olympiacos = Olympiacos

3. Dynamo - Panionios = Dynamo

4. Tryumph - PAOK = PAOK

Tryumph have players like Marcus Goree, Jr Bremer, Nenad Krstic, Alan Anderson, Tunceri but I think PAOK team this year probably better than them overall maybe even team like Maroussi is also.

5. UNICS - Maroussi = Maroussi

6. Panellinios - Ural Great = Panellinios

7. Aris - let just say Aris much superior to all other Russian clubs.

Also PAO and Olympiacos I think this year is both better than any Russia club even CSKA. Bottom level Greek and Russia clubs in past Russian ones would be better I admit but this year bottom Greek teams are also comparable.

Greece league is still #2 best in Europe even with all players Russia league add.

[mountainballer]

Also PAO and Olympiacos I think this year is both better than any Russia club even CSKA.

this are exactly the same words you used one year ago, when you claimed that Panathinaikos and Olympiacos are better than any club in Europe. you even called Panathinaikos the best Euroleague team ever.
well, Panathinaikos was the biggest disappointment of the last season and calling Olympiacos a disaster is still friendly.
CSKA is still the champ and the team to beat. they lost Papaloukas, but it's not that Planinic, Lorbek and Morris aren't quality players for Euroleague standards. and they still have the best player in Europe in Siskauskas. you might know him, don't you.

[pad300]

That's a good sign. I still bet he'd be amenable to a buyout and a vet min contract...

Work some sort of complicated buyout agreement with a bunch of backdoors.
EG.

Spurs pay Rock Taru $100K for Sanikidze's to attend Spurs TC. (this does NOT buyout Sanikidze's Rock Taru contract)
If he makes the Spurs team from training camp, SA pays a further $400K to complete Sanikidze's buyout; if not, Sanikidze returns to Rock Taru.
Assuming Sanikidze makes the Spurs, he gets a Vet Min Contract for 3 years, with the 1st year fully guaranteed, and the 2nd and 3ed years partially guaranteed.

Works all around
Rock Taru either gets 100K + Sani or 500K for handing Sani some paper to sign
SA gets a someone who might actually improve the roster in training camp. We need a real 3... Bowen is an SG by size, Udoka is even smaller, and let's hope Finley is kidnapped by aliens...
Sanikidze either gets the contract he already signed, or he gets what I suspect is a considerable upgrade. I'm dead sure that the Estonian league doesn't pay that much, particularly to people who aren't already established stars.

here are translation about that link what you asked:
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Viktor Sanikidze got intrest about Tartu Rock from
another georgian Giorgi Tsintsadze, who will start his
3rd season in Tartu.

Sanikidze tried to find new club and last season FIBA EuroCup semi-finalist team Tartu Rock seemed to be good team to land (cause of BalticLeague and EuroCup)

Sanikidze had made his offer to club and Rock manager Meelis Pastak said
that after he gets permission from board to hire him, he will continue negotation.

The main question is "does Rock has enough money to hire him".
Rock this year budget is 1.7M $.
Coming season most paid player in Tartu Rock will be Tanoka Beard (usa)

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PS! Sanikidze get 70.000 $ in Rock.

70 K for a season? We are giving more than that to Stoudamire to come to training camp. (not to mention Tolliver, Watkins, Farmer and Green...)

Surely we can work out something like what I outlined above...We need a real SF in camp

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

this are exactly the same words you used one year ago, when you claimed that Panathinaikos and Olympiacos are better than any club in Europe. you even called Panathinaikos the best Euroleague team ever.
well, Panathinaikos was the biggest disappointment of the last season and calling Olympiacos a disaster is still friendly.
CSKA is still the champ and the team to beat. they lost Papaloukas, but it's not that Planinic, Lorbek and Morris aren't quality players for Euroleague standards. and they still have the best player in Europe in Siskauskas. you might know him, don't you.

CSKA is not level of PAO or Olympiacos this year. Not even close to PAO this year.

have you even look at PAO roster? And Siska is not close to best player in Euroleague. he is not even best player in his team.

[mountainballer]

CSKA is not level of PAO or Olympiacos this year. Not even close to PAO this year.

have you even look at PAO roster? And Siska is not close to best player in Euroleague. he is not even best player in his team.

win first, brag later.
you obviously didn't learn your lessen from last year. PANA DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE PLAY OFFS, despite the "best Euroleague roster ever", as you tried to make us believe. a bunch of overpayed big names doesn't automatically make a champion.
I should look at the Pana roster?
oh, some weeks ago you explained to us that it was all Jasikevicious fault and how he destroyed the team last season.
guess what, he's still there. so, if he had the power to destroy Pana last year, what's the difference this year??????
and oh yes, they added Drew Nicholas. great, a trigger happy combo guard was exactly what Pana was lacking. good luck with trying to teach him that he no longer is the #1 option on his team, but #4 or #5. and you think you now have a great front court with Pekovic and Fotsis? well maybe, but they won't see the ball anyhow.
and about Siskauskas. we know that in your book it's a law of nature that only a Greek player can be the best player in Europe and that if there is a Greek player on any team in the world, he is automatically the teams best player. O WEAK UP! Papaloukas has left CSKA!
oh I forgot.
they also have Zsisis. now I see what you mean. this season of course Zsisis is the best player of CSKA.