Salim Stoudamire Now A Spur?

[Kori Ellis]

Face it, Spurs front office are -ups. All of their good eyes for talent and reason have gone to other teams. Popovich is an atrocity. I can't stand him or RC Failford. It's a damn good thing they have Tim Duncan, or else they'd be royally ed.

New user name. Same song and dance.

[JMarkJohns]

Salim could be very dangerous at PG with Manu running the show on offense. His defense isn't crap, as some have said. On those Arizona teams he was as good a defender as shooter at times. He needs some consistent intensity at that end, but that could improve with a more defined role within the team and more consistent minutes.

And no, he hasn't shot lights out yet, but really, how many open shots is he getting in Atlanta? They don't really have a low-post presense, and he didn't get near the minutes to take advantage of any PT he got with JJ driving and kicking out.

He was as good a pure shooter as the Pac-10 ever had, and was clutch as well, hitting HUGE game-tying/game-winning shots in every year he was in school, including several his senior year.

Give him some time and shots and I think he has the ability to surprise.

If his career PPG is 8 ppg (according to the article in the initial post) and his career MPG average is only 17 per (ditto), then that's not a bad ratio. His career 3point percentage is near 37% and with an increased amount of open shots, it wouldn't surprise me if he can surprise the way Jason Kapono did upon his return.

He can't run an offense, so he'll have to play backup PG with Manu running the offense, or play some SG alongside Parker with Duncan defending the rim.

Still, you need shooting and he can bring it. You need the ability to hit big shots and he can bring it.

[JMarkJohns]

his game reminds me of a lefty eddie house I'm sure I'm off base on that

Not really. A little more overall quickness, hops and defensive ability, a little less ability to run an offense, not that House is good, either.

[SenorSpur]

If Parker, Vaughn, Mason, and Hill were all injured yesterday falling down stairs, I'd still have reservations about Stoudamire.

People got pissed when Michael Finley resigned for peanuts, and called Mason's signing a disappointment but are optimistic about Salim?

Every scouting report on Salim says the same thing: he doesn't defend, he doesn't have a true position, doesn't pass, can't play the point, doesn't rebound... has one skill: shooting. Except, that skill was displayed in college, and has not shown itself in 3 NBA seasons. Google "Salim Stoudamire moody" or "Salim Stoudamire at ude problems" and you'll have a nice long reading session ahead of you. Salim's FG% is worse than those of Finley, Udoka, Mason, Manu, and Tony. His 3pt% is worse than Udoka, Finley, Mason, and Manu.

Matt Bonner is a better basketball player than Salim Stoudamire. By far.

If all this is true about Salim, it is very disturbing to say the least. One would be inclined to ask "what is Pop doing?" Again, Beno had his faults, but he wasn't that bad.

[tp2021]

Again, Beno had his faults, but he wasn't that bad.

As in, he wasn't all bad, or he isn't as bad as Stoudamire?

[beachwood]

yeah. Go Slim!!!

[ChumpDumper]

Might as well take a chance.

Don't have to keep him if it doesn't work out.

[beachwood]

Having been an Arizona student during his tenure and watched every basketball game he played in college, I am completely and totally biased in my opinion. He is the greatest shooter of all time and will lead the NBA in scoring this year.

I completely agree with you. And as an Zona fan myself, I'm 100% biased as well. Slim is the greatest shooter of all time. Every shot he ever put up I expected to go in and was shocked if it didn't.

[SenorSpur]

As in, he wasn't all bad, or he isn't as bad as Stoudamire?

Don't get me wrong. Beno was bad. Probably not as bad as Stoudamire - assuming the detractor comments are true.

[Tully365]

I'm 100% biased

So how can your opinion be taken seriously? Maybe the Spurs should sign Khalid Reeves. too?

[Obstructed_View]

Three point shooter that can't play defense? Sounds like a decent Barry replacement. At least we know he won't pass up open threes like Barry did.

[JMarkJohns]

So how can your opinion be taken seriously? Maybe the Spurs should sign Khalid Reeves. too?

You hardly seem the ojectionable type, as you've stated he's never proven a capable NBA shooter, ignoring that he's shot League Average or better from range two of his first three years, despite limited minutes, touches and being on a completely ty team with an undefined role.

You ignore his points-per-minute production.

You've conveniently left out that he's even had a few game-winning shots with the Hawks, backing up his clutch ability in college.

You've overstated his inability to defend. If he's at SG, then of course he'll struggle, but if he's defending the PG position, he is about average. if he plays it with Manu running the offense, then there's zero reason he can't be a quality defender.

While true that he's not a PG, nor a good rebounder, the former was known by the Spurs execs and they determined him a prospect with potential for the roster anyways, and the latter is that he's a player who hangs around the perimeter, so who cares?

He's proven an ability to score from deep and hit big shots. Truth be told, that's something San Antonio needs amidst Barry and possibly Horry's departure.

You make him out to be trash. He has at ude issues, but he was an integral part of some very successful UA teams, so obviously he can work past them.

[xtremesteven33]

funny how most people like this idea of Salim with the Spurs but rejected the thought of a trade for JJ Red .

JJ Red > Salim Stoudamire

[HarlemHeat37]

I wasn't really around when Mason got signed..why did anybody dislike it? the guy is a solid player, a hard worker and a class act..he's instant offense..every Wizards fan told me the same thing about him..his numbers without Gilbert were as good as it gets for a role playing scorer, and that's without a Tim Duncan, a TP and a Ginobili playing with him..

this is typical hate though..our fanbase is too spoiled..we think everybody is supposed to be the next Parker or Ginobili, forgetting that these 2 guys have become stars..spoiled by Bowen and Horry, who are arguably the 2 best role players of this generation..not everybody can fill these roles to perfection..

I guarantee Mason isn't going to disappoint..

[HarlemHeat37]

as for Stoudamire..even if he's signed, he's going to be DEEP in the rotation..he's going to be used for specific situations, like when we're in DESPERATE need for scoring, or if we need some shooting on the floor..he wouldn't be a regular..

[ChumpDumper]

funny how most people like this idea of Salim with the Spurs but rejected the thought of a trade for JJ Red .

JJ Red > Salim Stoudamire

Neither is worth trading for.

[JMarkJohns]

JJ Red > Salim Stoudamire

Prove it!

[Tully365]

You hardly seem the ojectionable type, as you've stated he's never proven a capable NBA shooter, ignoring that he's shot League Average or better from range two of his first three years, despite limited minutes, touches and being on a completely ty team with an undefined role.

You ignore his points-per-minute production.

You've conveniently left out that he's even had a few game-winning shots with the Hawks, backing up his clutch ability in college.

You've overstated his inability to defend. If he's at SG, then of course he'll struggle, but if he's defending the PG position, he is about average. if he plays it with Manu running the offense, then there's zero reason he can't be a quality defender.

While true that he's not a PG, nor a good rebounder, the former was known by the Spurs execs and they determined him a prospect with potential for the roster anyways, and the latter is that he's a player who hangs around the perimeter, so who cares?

He's proven an ability to score from deep and hit big shots. Truth be told, that's something San Antonio needs amidst Barry and possibly Horry's departure.

You make him out to be trash. He has at ude issues, but he was an integral part of some very successful UA teams, so obviously he can work past them.

I'd say league average shooting percentage is fine for a multi-dimensional player, but for a guy who is relatively one dimensional, it's hard to accept just average shooting percentages. For me points per minutes is an interesting stat if the percentages are good, but otherwise I think it just means that he's taking too many shots in his limited court time.

It just surprises me that so many other players have been hammered in these forums and now a guy not known for defense, team play, or good at ude-- the so-called Spur attributes-- is getting what seems like a free pass. If the guy improves and makes the team, I'll congratulate him. But if Vegas has odds on it, I'd be willing to lay down some money that he won't.

I lived in Tucson when he played at UA, and he was in trouble with Lute Olson almost constantly, and was not in my opinion a very good teammate. The thing I remember most about him was his unbelievably bad body language on the court every time he missed a shot. Think Malik Rose x 10 and that's Salim-- and that's a trait that I just don't think Pop could tolerate.

[AA2120]

swweettt..
i was kinda bummed when we didnt draft him..but he's here now!

[JMarkJohns]

I'd say league average shooting percentage is fine for a multi-dimensional player, but for a guy who is relatively one dimensional, it's hard to accept just average shooting percentages. For me points per minutes is an interesting stat if the percentages are good, but otherwise I think it just means that he's taking too many shots in his limited court time.

It just surprises me that so many other players have been hammered in these forums and now a guy not known for defense, team play, or good at ude-- the so-called Spur attributes-- is getting what seems like a free pass. If the guy improves and makes the team, I'll congratulate him. But if Vegas has odds on it, I'd be willing to lay down some money that he won't.

I lived in Tucson when he played at UA, and he was in trouble with Lute Olson almost constantly, and was not in my opinion a very good teammate. The thing I remember most about him was his unbelievably bad body language on the court every time he missed a shot. Think Malik Rose x 10 and that's Salim-- and that's a trait that I just don't think Pop could tolerate.

I can accept that. Still, I'd take a 36% 3-point shooter who's reletively young, can score and has proven both clutch and able to shoot even better.

[I. Hustle]

I wanted him in the draft so this is actually cool.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

funny how most people like this idea of Salim with the Spurs but rejected the thought of a trade for JJ Red .

JJ Red > Salim Stoudamire

Re is a piece of . One of the worst players in the league.

Salim >>>> JJ.

[tp2021]

Fits the MO of the Spurs buying low. If only they also sold high.

[Sissiborgo]

I like that dude....

[beachwood]

Re is a piece of . One of the worst players in the league.

Salim >>>> JJ.

Excellent. I think that about sums up the Salim/JJ debate.

I'm stoked Salim is a Spur. He was an excellent player at UA and hopefully he can reach his potential under Pop.