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    It must really piss you guys off that no matter how many times you write that this crap, it's not strong enough to make any difference.

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    McCain's previous acknowledgment that he made errors in the Keating Five case, which he called in his 2002 autobiography the "worst mistake of my life."
    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...scandals_stir/

    I'm not saying McCain is guilty of no sins. It's just that he admits them. Obama always sidesteps the issue...why can't he just say something more than he is a "neighborhood guy."

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    He admitted his mistake but then disregarded it and made the same mistake again!

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    In what respect, Shasta?

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    Maybe I'd tell you if you responded to this


    ^^Why not...they are getting paid. But the gun control related lobby probably wouldn't hire them since they wouldn't get much traction from the politicians.
    Interesting.

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    I was trying to make a joke...ur sig/palin

    I didn't know that it was a question. I'm just saying that most lobbyists don't have direct ties to what the effects of what they are lobbying for are. Take the Palin/Wasilla lobbyist who lobbied for the $27mil sports court in Wasilla. They guy wasn't even from Wasilla, or even Alaska if I remember correctly. The guy didn't personally care what the sports court would do for the city...he did what he was hired to do and that was all that mattered.

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    Could anyone show me an example of one of these "individual schools built around specific political themes push students to 'confront issues of inequity, war, and violence'" that can be directly linked to Obama? There must be several.

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    I was trying to make a joke...ur sig/palin
    Yeah...I got it. I wasn't talking about that

    I didn't know that it was a question. I'm just saying that most lobbyists don't have direct ties to what the effects of what they are lobbying for are. Take the Palin/Wasilla lobbyist who lobbied for the $27mil sports court in Wasilla. They guy wasn't even from Wasilla, or even Alaska if I remember correctly. The guy didn't personally care what the sports court would do for the city...he did what he was hired to do and that was all that mattered.
    I'm not saying lobbyists have direct ties. I'm saying if you're opposed to something, you don't then go and lobby for it.

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    But...you don't necessarily have to support it to lobby for it right?

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    But...you don't necessarily have to support it to lobby for it right?
    I guess there's a chance you could be neutral. But somehow I doubt many of these people are neutral. Especially after having been in the "for it" camp for however many years they have been.

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    I look at them as defense lawyers defending someone they know is guilty. The good one's still find a way to get their clients off.

    That being said...I have no idea what the McCain lobbyist's personal position on the issues were.

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    I look at them as defense lawyers defending someone they know is guilty. The good one's still find a way to get their clients off.

    That being said...I have no idea what the McCain lobbyist's personal position on the issues were.
    Neither do I. What I do know is that Rick Davis took nearly $2 million dollars from Fannie Mae for "access" to McCain.

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    This crap from Yonivore doesn't surprise me at all since it is the way of the McCain campaign. Total bull .

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    Neither do I. What I do know is that Rick Davis took nearly $2 million dollars from Fannie Mae for "access" to McCain.
    Paid for by Obama's boys Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines. Look, you can't blame the lobbyist and let the guy signing his checks go unscathed.

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    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...scandals_stir/

    I'm not saying McCain is guilty of no sins. It's just that he admits them. Obama always sidesteps the issue...why can't he just say something more than he is a "neighborhood guy."

    He IS trying to distance himself from Ayers when he says he's just a neighborhood guy. We've all made mistakes, we've all had friends at one time that were not worthy of us.

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    He IS trying to distance himself from Ayers when he says he's just a neighborhood guy. We've all made mistakes, we've all had friends at one time that were not worthy of us.
    Wow... a little elitist of you Findog.

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    Paid for by Obama's boys Jim Johnson and Franklin Raines.
    Maybe. Rick Davis is currently McCain's campaign manager. Neither Jim Johnson or Franklin Raines have anything to do with Obama's campaign.

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    Johnson was the head of Obama's VP selection committee.

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    Johnson was the head of Obama's VP selection committee.
    He was on the three person committee to select the VP, yes. Then he was asked to step down before it was completed. Also, that isn't exactly the same as running someone's campaign.

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    I'll ask again:
    Could anyone show me an example of one of these "individual schools built around specific political themes push students to 'confront issues of inequity, war, and violence'" that can be directly linked to Obama? There must be several.

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    He was. Then he was asked to step down before it was completed. Also, that isn't exactly the same as running someone's campaign.
    ^^Agreed. But there are still connections.

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    Goddamn "far left" organizations.

    Each ACORN office carries out multiple issue campaigns. ACORN members across the country work to raise the minimum wage or enact living wage policies; eliminate predatory financial practices by mortgage lenders, payday lenders, and tax preparation companies; win the development of affordable housing and community benefits agreements; improve the quality of and funding for urban public schools; rebuild New Orleans; and pass a federal and state ACORN Working Families Agenda, including paid sick leave for all full time workers.
    Ending predatory lending practices? Communism.

    Improving urban schools? Only people sucking Mao's would go for that.

    Paid sick leave is for weak-kneed commie s. Real men just simply stop paying their mortgages when they get too sick to work.

    Rebuilding New Orleans? Must be code words for "set up soviets".


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    Goddamn "far left" organizations.



    Ending predatory lending practices? Communism.

    Improving urban schools? Only people sucking Mao's would go for that.

    Paid sick leave is for weak-kneed commie s. Real men just simply stop paying their mortgages when they get too sick to work.

    Rebuilding New Orleans? Must be code words for "set up soviets".

    ACORN was one of the biggest lobbyists for the Community Reinvestment Act (requiring banks to give sub prime loans to people with bad credit), which is the base of why we are in this financial mess.

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    Wow... a little elitist of you Findog.
    Has nothing to do with "elitism." I've had friends that were bad influences and were not good to hang around.

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    I need to work on my internet sarcasm...was just joking.

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