Spot Number 39 - Top 50 Spurs

[50 cent]

In no particular order, the following guys definitely need to make the Top 50 list:

Hank Egan
Chuck Person
PJ Carlisemo
Sam Presti
Steve Kerr
Vinny Del Negro
Antonio Daniels
Coby Dietrick

[baseline bum]

Rodman probably won't make it to the top 50 list at all given the past week's reactions. The fact is Dave wouldn't have had his MVP season without Rodman doing all the dirty work for him. People are fair to attack Dennis for what he did in the playoffs, however, that is being selective. If we're going to discount everything that Rodman did, then are we going to discount the positive effect he had on David for those two seasons? I doubt it.

I still think Walter Berry's 17 ppg and 56% FG at 26 mpg should put him on the list sometime soon, but hey, I'll admit I'm biased.

Presti, Egan, or PJ should probably be thrown into the mix at about this time, especially with everyone either scratching their heads for whom to vote for, or having to vote to between the lesser of two evils to stave off the Kerr and Rasho apologists.

How did Rodman help Dave to win the MVP? By taking away the rebounds David used to get? By being an offensive threat that spread the floor for Dave to attack the basket? By getting most of the credit for the Spurs defense based on his past history?

[FromWayDowntown]

To be clear, I wasn't saying I'm voting for Rodman here -- or anywhere else for that matter. I was just saying that as cases for inclusion on this list go, Rodman has an argument that's interesting to me.

[The Truth #6]

How did Rodman help Dave to win the MVP? By taking away the rebounds David used to get? By being an offensive threat that spread the floor for Dave to attack the basket? By getting most of the credit for the Spurs defense based on his past history?

Everyone knew David needed an enforcer to do the dirty work so he could focus on his finesse game, which is why Bob Bass made the trade. By being the more physical player, Rodman allowed Dave to focus more on scoring, which he did in winning the scoring le that year. Does that make sense to you?

Are you so blind with your Rodman rage that you can't see beyond what happened in the playoffs? Yes, we all know Rodman sabotaged the team. I don't need to see the same 4 Youtube clips again to understand that. Yeah, we all get that.

Had Rodman not done that and we went to the Finals then Dennis probably would be a top ten Spur for his contribution in getting us over the hump. To me the situation is not black and white. It's a team game and Dennis helped the team win 62 games that year. If you want to say that David played his best basketball in spite of Rodman, then please go ahead but that seems like a ridiculous argument to make.

[baseline bum]

Everyone knew David needed an enforcer to do the dirty work so he could focus on his finesse game, which is why Bob Bass made the trade. By being the more physical player, Rodman allowed Dave to focus more on scoring, which he did in winning the scoring le that year. Does that make sense to you?

Not really. Robinson didn't win the scoring le that year; he won it in 94. LMAO that Rodman somehow made it easier for David to score. What dirty work did Rodman do for the team? The two things he was known for on the floor in the best of times in San Antonio was 1) padding his rebound stats at the expense of playing defense and 2) running back half-ass in transition.

Are you so blind with your Rodman rage that you can't see beyond what happened in the playoffs? Yes, we all know Rodman sabotaged the team. I don't need to see the same 4 Youtube clips again to understand that. Yeah, we all get that.

Had Rodman not done that and we went to the Finals then Dennis probably would be a top ten Spur for his contribution in getting us over the hump. To me the situation is not black and white. It's a team game and Dennis helped the team win 62 games that year. If you want to say that David played his best basketball in spite of Rodman, then please go ahead but that seems like a ridiculous argument to make.

If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. The bottom line is Rodman gave up on the team the one time they really needed him. I post those three youtube clips of Rodman because they make it clear in no uncertain terms that he did not give a about winning. Seriously, who makes a reputation in the regular season? Everything was a big ing joke to Rodman when he was in SA, and the joke was on the team and its fans.

[MrChug]

I went with Chuck Person.

I'll take someone who helped orchestrate the Spurs system for 8 seasons over someone who went 3 seasons any day.

TO COMPLETELY CONTRADICT MYSELF I PROUDLY ANNOUNCE THAT I HAVE VOTED FOR CHUCK FOR THE LAST 8 VOTES.

[The Truth #6]

Not really. Robinson didn't win the scoring le that year; he won it in 94. LMAO that Rodman somehow made it easier for David to score. What dirty work did Rodman do for the team? The two things he was known for on the floor in the best of times in San Antonio was 1) padding his rebound stats at the expense of playing defense and 2) running back half-ass in transition.



If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. The bottom line is Rodman gave up on the team the one time they really needed him. I post those three youtube clips of Rodman because they make it clear in no uncertain terms that he did not give a about winning. Seriously, who makes a reputation in the regular season? Everything was a big ing joke to Rodman when he was in SA, and the joke was on the team and its fans.

What are you talking about? When did I claim anything unusual about the year David won the scoring le?

David won the scoring le in the 93-94 season, the same year Rodman joined the Spurs and led the league in rebounds and was voted All Defense 2nd Team. Where is the confusion?

If leading the league in rebounding at a ridiculous number AND getting voted on the All Defensive team is not considered "dirty work" in the NBA then I don't know what is. I think you're caught up with him wearing a dress on the cover of the magazine or whatever other things he did off the court.

Yes, clearly Rodman screwed us in the playoffs. Dude, everyone and their mother and your hermaphrodite aunt already knows that. What people are choosing not to remember is the regular season contributions he made.

And if you're going to focus completely on the playoffs and discount the regular season then under that lens you should re-examine David Robinson because he didn't do in the playoffs until Tim Duncan showed up. However, that doesn't mean we should disregard his contributions.

This list is the top 50. At this stage in the process we can't hold everyone to the same standards as the top 10. There are going to be medicore players at this point, as well as players with mixed records. And Rodman is a part of that whether you like it or not.

If someone wants to put PJ, Hank or Presti at this point then that's fine. But we're running out of players who had any quantifiable record to build an argument around.

[baseline bum]

Sabotaging the WCF in a year the Spurs had a real shot at a le trumps anything else he ever did for the franchise. The Coyote is more deserving of a spot in the top 50 than Rodman. Rasho Neserovich is more deserving. Even Beno deserves a higher ranking.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'll take someone who helped orchestrate the Spurs system for 8 seasons over someone who went 3 seasons any day.

TO COMPLETELY CONTRADICT MYSELF I PROUDLY ANNOUNCE THAT I HAVE VOTED FOR CHUCK FOR THE LAST 8 VOTES.

I'm guessing this is in reference to my lack of support for someone like Del Negro all the while singing the praises of long-time Spurs such as Coby Dietrick and Mike Gale...and then voting for the short-timer, hired gun...errr rifleman, Person.

I'm kind of torn on these last few spots on how to vote exactly so I think I've resigned myself to vote for those folks who were most 'influential' on me. So expect to see a lot more Chuck Person, Edgar Jones, George Johnson and perhaps even some Antoine Carr votes from me for spots 40-50 because those are the guys left on the list that I enjoyed watching the most. I'm not sure any of those guys played more than a couple of years for the Spurs but they all contributed a lot.






As a side note, my Del Negro dislike stems from listening to him as the color guy for Phoenix Suns radio broadcasts. He was as much of a Suns homer as Elliott is a Spurs homer. My dislike for him grew immensely every time I turned on my radio. I probably shouldn't hold it against him except for the fact that I can tell the guy doesn't bleed black and silver...and that just won't do.

[MrChug]

Alright, I may not be telling the COMPLETE truth about my votes and perhaps have voted for my FAVORITE Spur (based bupon the great memories he brought ME), but he's not the most important to the organization and the city-which my interpretation is of the voting criteria. It's MY interpretation.

[Rynospursfan]

Antonio Daniels needs to start getting some love. I can't believe Bob Hill has more votes than him.

[Obstructed_View]

The Coyote is more deserving of a spot in the top 50 than Rodman. Rasho Neserovich is more deserving. Even Beno deserves a higher ranking.

This is where you start to sound insane. Just FYI. If you caught Rodman and Del Negro doubling up on your sister, then just tell people you don't like them. It has nothing to do with basketball, and posts like this fail to reinforce the case you're making.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Alright, I may not be telling the COMPLETE truth about my votes and perhaps have voted for my FAVORITE Spur (based bupon the great memories he brought ME), but he's not the most important to the organization and the city-which my interpretation is of the voting criteria. It's MY interpretation.

Influence can be measured in a lot of ways, and there is certainly a lot of room for individual interpretation which makes these last few spots so tough to call.

[SenorSpur]

I'm guessing this is in reference to my lack of support for someone like Del Negro all the while singing the praises of long-time Spurs such as Coby Dietrick and Mike Gale...and then voting for the short-timer, hired gun...errr rifleman, Person.

I'm kind of torn on these last few spots on how to vote exactly so I think I've resigned myself to vote for those folks who were most 'influential' on me. So expect to see a lot more Chuck Person, Edgar Jones, George Johnson and perhaps even some Antoine Carr votes from me for spots 40-50 because those are the guys left on the list that I enjoyed watching the most. I'm not sure any of those guys played more than a couple of years for the Spurs but they all contributed a lot.

I noticed your legendary screen name. I'm curious to know why you have so much affinity for the "Wild Helicopter?" How did you get hooked on him? I actually liked him too, but thought I was the only one.

As a side note, my Del Negro dislike stems from listening to him as the color guy for Phoenix Suns radio broadcasts. He was as much of a Suns homer as Elliott is a Spurs homer. My dislike for him grew immensely every time I turned on my radio. I probably shouldn't hold it against him except for the fact that I can tell the guy doesn't bleed black and silver...and that just won't do.

As for your Del Negro dislike, I take it a step further. He was, by far, THE Spur I hated most. Primarily for his soft-as-tissue basketball style, his dislike for contact, his resistence toward driving the lane, and more importantly his propensity for coming up small in big games. A true one-trick pony, in the vein of present-day Michael Finley, Vinny Da Black (as I called him) was the streakiest of shooters and, like Finley, if he wasn't hitting his shot, he was of no use to the team. At least Finley can occasionally get into the lane and will bend his knees to try and defend.

Finally, Vinny always struck me as someone who really wasn't very committed to basketball - just what he could get out of it.