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Stoudamire at SF? WTF!
Tolliver is the only one with a known partially guaranteed contract, and probably Stoudamire, though the terms of the contract haven't been released.
Stoudamire at SF? WTF!
Stoudamire at SF? WTF!yea I know, I fixed it.
Yes, I am glad this is taken care of. I think Hill has a nice skill set, and once comfortable, will do well.
Oberto/Thomas
Duncan/Ian/Tolliver
Bowen/Udoka/Finley
Manu/Mason/Stoudamire
TP/Hill/Vaughn
Training camp roster so far:
C Oberto/Thomas/Watkins
PF Duncan/Mahinmi/Bonner/Tolliver
SF Bowen/Udoka/Finley
SG Ginobili/Mason/Farmer/Green/Hairston
PG Parker/Vaughn/Hill/Stoudamire
Hope he delivers.
Pretty much what I was thinking, except I think it's slightly more fluid than that. I think the IR is composed of the 3 losers from these training camp battles:
Mahinmi/Bonner/Tolliver
Finley/Stoudamire
Hill/Vaughn
With a slight possibility that both Hill and Vaughn are on the IR if Stoudamire shows enough to win backup PG. Also, I don't think Tolliver is a given to make the 15-man roster, nor Stoudamire if his contract turns out to be mostly non-guaranteed. If one or both of those are cut, it opens the door for other guys, or the possibility that the Spurs carry 14 players into the season.
His friend's name is jayc23.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104818
Yea, that was my bad.
By the excitement he's been showing about the signing, that gives me the feeling it's guaranteed.
Damn, I completely forgot about Bonner.
The big question now is Stoudamire deal.
If it's guaranteed we have 14 players under contract and 5 guys will be fighting for one spot in training camp.
We have 4PGs but I think Pop may try to use Hill or Stoudamire at SG. I don't know if it'll work since bouth are very small
Last edited by Spurs Brazil; 09-23-2008 at 08:01 PM.
i think this means Mason will not play PG at anytime as well...
The more I think about the Spurs last two signings (Stoudamire and Hill), the more I think Jacque Vaughn will be out the door by the trade deadline, or even before the season starts.
We'll see what training camp brings, but if either of those two show that they can duplicate his defense and actually provide some offense in that backup PG role, then all Vaughn becomes is a veteran presence in the locker room, and we have enough of that without him. Don't get me wrong, I like Jacque more than most people on this board and think that his contribution to the Spurs is underrated, but given the Spurs offensive struggles recently, I think they'd choose offense over experience at that position.
Also, I think he's more likely to be traded (or packaged in a trade) than waived outright. The Spurs are generally too money-conscious of an organization to take a $1.2 mil+ hit like that.
Yep, there's a good dilemma there. If both Hill and Stoudamire make the team, we'll probably be the shortest team in the league.
Unless Hill and Vaughn completely blow, but I doubt that.
I never thought they were gonna use Mason as PG much anyways.
If Spurs sign Hairston, they will have 19 players under contract. among these 19 players, there isn't a single true scrub. The training cmap roster will be overcrowded which makes me thinks that Spurs have maybe some 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 trades in the works.
It's certainly possible. We were already the 9th shortest team in the NBA last year.
http://www.nba.com/news/survey_height_2007.html
So, now we wait 30 days before we trade him?
Agreed. Vaughn's a good teammate, good energy guy, very good leader and will one day make a fine head coach. That said, times have changed and the Spurs can't really afford to have a non-scorer at a guard position. The offense is questionable enough even without Vaughn on the court.
He may make the team but I'm starting to think more and more he'll be a training camp casualty. At the very least, I doubt his job is as safe as most Spurs fans believe it is.
I think there's a chance he'd get waived outright. I'd say there's a better chance of that happening than him getting traded. His contract is pretty small, especially compared to some the Spurs have eaten in the past under Pop including Charles Smith I and Ron Mercer.
I'd rather the Spurs waive him than salary dump him in a deal that sent Vaughn and a pick for nothing.
Eh, this is typical Pop in a semi rebuilding year. Look at as much talent as possible and make training camp an all out war for jobs. I think the Spurs will think openly about making many "surprising" cuts or salary dumps.
In 2006, Pop was adamant about how he believed the team was fine and would just need a few tweaks. This summer, we haven't heard anything like that. Letting go Horry and Barry are deceptively big moves for this team so I think anything is fair game now.
Signing Hill means the Spurs will, mathematically speaking, no longer be considered over the Hill. Furthermore, it's not a forgone conclusion to say that dumping Vaughn will automatically push the Spurs towards the brink of a new dawn.
This has to be the weakest the bench has been in a decade. Hate to say it, truly hate to say it.
It's been about 20 years since I felt so unsure about so many borderline players.
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