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Yes, the press has been fairly incurious about Obama's "Community Organizing" experience.
I did...saw you.
Don't listen to him either.
It's like talking to a wall. The article you posted is an OPINION piece. You think if it was so factual as to warrant serious consideration, they'd let it die in the opinion section? Look up naive in the dictionary. Better yet, go suck off Rush Limbaugh.
Yes, the press has been fairly incurious about Obama's "Community Organizing" experience.
I did...saw you.
Don't listen to him either.
Nobody is voting against Obama because of Ayers or Rezko and nobody will likely vote against McCain because of the Keating Five.
You do realize there aren't pictures in a dictionary right? You might be thinking of an encyclopedia. If you were looking in one of those did you happen to see the listing "naked"? There's also a picture of me....with your mom. She was ok but not the best I've ever had. can suck start a leaf blower!
A bunch of people here insisted that there was NO POSSIBILITY that an NBA referee would intentionally change the outcome of a game, and they attempted to bully anyone who said differently, and label them as conspiracy theorists. Some of those same idiots are wading in on this subject, and they are just as wrong this time.
There is a lot of speculation, but there are also a lot of facts. How about let's look at them? You can come to your own conclusion about what they mean, but facts are facts. Argue all you want, but do your homework and tell me which of these are incorrect:
1. Ayers was the co-founder of the Weather Underground. They participated in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, including bombing the Pentagon, and attacks on judges presiding on prominent cases. Ayers avoided conviction only because evidence against him was allegedly collected illegally. Ayers describes himself openly as "a small-c communist".
2. When questioned about his association with Ayers, Obama claimed that he was "a guy who lives in the neighborhood". He told ABC directly that he first met the Ayers at a coffee klatch at the Ayers home in 1995. Those statements are so vastly incorrect that they cannot be construed as mistakes, or simple mis-statements.
3. In 1989, Obama was hired as a summer associate at Sidley and Austin. That firm had also recently hired Ayers' wife. The managing partner of Sidley and Austin was a well-known close personal friend of Ayers father.
4. Obama only had one legal job after graduating law school - in 1993, at a firm known as Davis, Miner, and Barnhill. He was hired by name partner Judson Miner, who "happens" to be a personal friend and law school classmate of Ayers' wife.
5. In 1997, Obama and Ayers appeared together in a panel at the University of Illinois-Chicago (about the juvenile justice system), and in 2002 they again appeared at U of C as members of a 6-person panel discussing "Intellectuals in Times of Crisis". Both of those forums were set up by Mic e Obama, who was a University of Chicago PR exec.
6. Ayers headed the creation of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and made Obama one of the founding board members. Obama was the chairman of the foundation for 3 years, beginning in 1995, and continued to serve on the board until 2001.
7. In 1998, 1999, and 2000 Obama and Ayers were both paid directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago. The board only had 9 members, and met 12 times per year, which makes it difficult to believe Obama's claim that he "doesn't remember" Ayers being a member of the board. (Obama did not receive his $6,000 compensation from the board in 2001. That same year, the foundation donated exactly $6,000 to Obama's church [see: Jeremiah Wright], even though the funds' own bylaws stated that religious organizations were not eligible for grants.)
8. In 1999, the Woods Fund donated $50,000 to the Annenberg Challenge. Both Obama and Ayers served on both boards, but Obama "doesn't remember" Ayers.
9. In 2000, Obama voted for the Woods foundation to give a $1 Million grant to his old boss Allison Davis, formerly of Davis, Miner, and Barnhill (see: #4 above), another Ayers associate.
Is it unimportant? I don't know. Is it unimportant that the Annenberg Challenge gave grants totalling over $650,000 to Michael Klonsky who founded the American-birthed Maoist Communist Party? (And a VERY close personal friend of Ayers for over 30 years.) Or that (until very recently) Klonsky operated a blog at the official Obama Campaign website? Nah... it's all probably just coincidence.
And maybe it's coincidence that right after Obama was elected to the senate, his wife received a $195,000 raise. She made $122K in 2004, and $317K in 2005. And it's probably just coincidence that in 2006, Obama requested a $1 Million earmark for University of Chicago Hospitals, where Mic e Obama is in charge of community outreach.
It's probably also coincidence that Obama bought his house for $1.65 Million (which was $300K less than the asking price), and ON THE SAME DAY the vacant lot next door was purchased for $625,000 by Tony Rezko who was known to be under indictment, and is now a convicted felon. And maybe it's a coincidence that Rezko was a major client of Davis, Miner, and Barnhill, and a major Obama campaign contributor and fundraiser. (Over $250K)
I'd suggest you pull out a dictionary before you get your foot any further down your throat.
Sorry, I doubt you rank an encyclopedia article.
I just called her. She said you had a penis the size of a peanut.
That seems objective and all (laughable) so can you cite some sources where you obtained that information please?
I'm not sure where you get your fancy-pants dictionaries but none of mine have pictures. I have a Webster's right in front of me. Lemme look....nope no pictures.
She's just mad cuz I didn't call her back. And you also just reinforced the notion I ed your mom. Maybe I'm your daddy.I just called her. She said you had a penis the size of a peanut.
Well, then, "fancy-pants" dictionaries have been around for some time. But, we digress as you ruin the cliche.
Only if you're a time traveler...because, I'm quite certain your age is revealed in your immaturity. Unless, of course, you're mentally re ed or something.
I'd love to see one. Can you point me in the direction of a good one?
You're certain how old I am?Only if you're a time traveler...because, I'm quite certain your age is revealed in your immaturity. Unless, of course, you're mentally re ed or something.this just keeps getting better. Do I have to give you a big stuffed animal if your guess is right within 2 years? I'd guess you were 13 by your "Look up naive in the dictionary. Better yet just look in the mirror" joke.
So, back to Ayers and Obama? Still think they're just acquaintances?
Nope not anymore. You've convinced me otherwise. Thanks!
Why should anybody care? Should anybody care about the Keating Five? Keep bringing Rezko and Ayers up, it will be a great opportunity to bring up McCain's skeletons too.
The Keating Five scandal, though, is hardly a secret. Indeed, the story is central to McCain's political narrative. He's called his actions a mistake, and the episode is what transformed him into a self-stylled reformer.
If the Obama campaign saw this as a starter...they'd be harping on it. I think they realize that it plays to McCain's strengths in that it is a demonstrable point in his political career where he made a change for the better.
Obama can hardly claim the same with respect to Ayers, Rezko, et. al.
Why should anybody care about Ayers and Rezko? I'm not some starry-eyed Obama supporter that thinks he's the Messiah, I can recognize garden variety corruption when I see it. I just think Obama is the lesser of two evils in this election. And you better believe the Keating Five scandal can be made relevant with the financial news.
Because these people don't represent Obama's past.
I doubt it. Except for the way it exposes McCain's dogged determination to avert this crisis -- in the face of equally determined Democrat obstructionism -- due to a repentant at ude he adopted after the Keating Five scandal. I'm telling you, if Obama thought this was a winning issue, he'd be raising it.
The facts of the article are:
Ayers and Obama served on a board of an organization dedicated to improving education in urban schools.
The opinions of the article are:
Obama and Ayers are/were bosum buddies, and Obama must obviously then think just like Ayers in every way.
You seem to be confusing facts with opinions.
Nah, he would just pull the Rovian tactic of letting surrogates make that case.
Yup. Don't think he'd get his hands dirty on that one.
Thank you.
The facts are enlightening.
FactCheck.org is a nonprofit website[1] that describes its own goal as "[reducing] the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics." In its efforts, FactCheck claims to be nonpartisan.[2] It is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the Annenberg School for Communication at the University of Pennsylvania, and is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.[2]
Most of its content consists of rebuttals to allegedly inaccurate, misleading, or false claims by politicians. FactCheck has also targeted the misleading claims from various partisan groups.
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That's our Yoni!
If you are referring to me, you have done a fine job of moving the goalposts. My stance was on the NBA itself fixing games, not individual refs.
Yes.[same rehashed bull that hasn't made any difference at all]
Is it unimportant?
This has been reported and re-reported and vomited up on this board whenever board Republicans feel cornered and need to change the subject.
It hasn't made a difference.
I want to know what the board Republicans are trying to accomplish with their bulimic behavior. What conclusions do you want everyone to draw about Obama from all your conjecture about Ayers and Wright?
I don't know what to think of the relationship, frankly.
It seems there is more there than has been admitted to. Whenever somebody is trying to hide something, it arouses su ion.
Wright and Ayers are both extremists. They have espoused, and in Ayers case, acted on those views. They are both unapologetic about their past. Obama has described Ayers, "Just a guy from the neighborhood," when, in fact, their relationship seems to be more significant than that.
What conclusion do I draw from this? Simply that Obama is not probably not being honest about his relationship with Ayers. The question that raises is, why?
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