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    Anyone ing about the Republicans and McCain blocking this can go suck an egg.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/2...acorn-bailout/

    And this deal that’s on the table now is not a very good deal. Twenty percent of the money that should go to retire debt that will be created to solve this problem winds up in a housing organization called ACORN that is an absolute ill-run enterprise, and I can’t believe we would take money away from debt retirement to put it in a housing program that doesn’t work.
    Just heard from several readers that Lindsay Grahamnesty told Fox that the Mother of All Bailouts includes a reported $100 million more in funding for the left-wing housing en lement thugs and heavily tax-subsidized fraudsters at ACORN. Under the original bailout proposal, apparently, a large portion of any repayment of the $700 billion would go to Barack Obama’s good friends at ACORN with a smaller allocation to debt repayment. Readers heard him say it was 20 percent.

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    That being said, this section proves that the Democrats in Congress have learned nothing from this financial collapse. They still want to game the market to pick winners and losers by funding programs for unqualified and marginally-qualified borrowers to buy houses they may not be able to afford — and that’s the innocent explanation for this clause.

    The real purpose of section D is to send more funds to La Raza and ACORN through housing welfare, via the slush fund of the HTF. They want to float their political efforts on behalf of Democrats with public money, which was always the purpose behind the HTF. They did the same thing in April in the first bailout bill, setting aside $100 million in “counseling” that went in large part to ACORN and La Raza, and at least in the former case, providing taxpayer funding for a group facing criminal charges in more than a dozen states for fraud.

    It’s bad enough that taxpayers have to pay the price for Congress’ decade-long distortions of the lending and investment markets. If we realize a profit from the bailout, that money should go to pay down the debt or get returned to taxpayers as dividends from their investment — not to organizations committing voter fraud, and not to restarting the entire cycle of government meddling in lending markets. I’d support a rational bailout package, but anything that funds the HTF needs to get stopped.

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    ACORN, hmmmm, where has that come up before?

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    This pisses me off to no end. Not a single ing dime of any return on the bailout (which is even questionable as to whether there will be) should go to any PAC. Period.

    If anything any profit should go towards paying down the national debt.

    The Dems can go themselves on this one, and I'm proud of anyone in D.C. right now standing up to this bull .

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    So Mic e Malkin readers are breaking this story? I think I'll wait for a better source

    Just heard from several readers that Lindsay Grahamnesty told Fox that the Mother of All Bailouts includes a reported $100 million more in funding for the left-wing housing en lement thugs and heavily tax-subsidized fraudsters at ACORN. Under the original bailout proposal, apparently, a large portion of any repayment of the $700 billion would go to Barack Obama’s good friends at ACORN with a smaller allocation to debt repayment. Readers heard him say it was 20 percent.

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    So Mic e Malkin readers are breaking this story? I think I'll wait for a better source
    Or, until Democrats yank it and say it never existed...

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    So Mic e Malkin readers are breaking this story? I think I'll wait for a better source
    Yeah, maybe it will be legit for you Dems when it makes it to DailyKOS or some .

    If you go to the link, they have an interview with Lindsey Graham from SC (Senator), if you go to the end of the video link, he mentions the details.

    So are you calling him a liar?

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    Go to the 2:30 mark and start watching. Graham details the 20% kicker.

    This message not brought to you by Mic e Matkin.

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    Yeah, maybe it will be legit for you Dems when it makes it to DailyKOS or some .

    If you go to the link, they have an interview with Lindsey Graham from SC (Senator), if you go to the end of the video link, he mentions the details.

    So are you calling him a liar?
    Yes. I'm calling him a liar for not giving immediate credence to commentators on a right wing blog.

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    Yeah...saw that when he cam on last night. Pelosi, Dodd, Frank...they truly disgust me.

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    This is bull considering the House GOP is floating around a bill that is ENTIRELY different and pretty ing horrible. LOL @ a capital gains repeal. No.

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    Yes. I'm calling him a liar for not giving immediate credence to commentators on a right wing blog.
    You clearly didn't go to the original link posted, as it had the video. Kinda lame to pop off without at least reading it. All I'm sayin'...

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    This is bull considering the House GOP is floating around a bill that is ENTIRELY different and pretty ing horrible. LOL @ a capital gains repeal. No.
    So we should give 20% to ACORN so they can give money to more people who can't afford homes and buy votes (i.e., the same that helped get us to this point we're at now)?

    I'm not a huge fan of the Republican proposal, but that doesn't mean we should go with this Democratic financial windfall for ACORN and La Raza.

    In fact, it sounds like if they just removed that poison pill they'd probably have more support. I'm thrilled with anyone standing up to anyone trying to toss a financial bone to special interests on this one.

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    This is bull considering the House GOP is floating around a bill that is ENTIRELY different and pretty ing horrible. LOL @ a capital gains repeal. No.
    Repealing the capital gains tax would really stimulate the economy!

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    I"ve seen nothing of this ACORN up until now. I agree it shouldn't be in there, and I'm not convinced it is or ever was.

    Prove me wrong though. Find something tangible not a circle of republican people pointing to each other and saying the other saw it.

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    Repealing the capital gains tax would really stimulate the economy!
    Sure, cut some ing government programs first please. Do you quit working before you make sure your bills are paid?

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    I knew dem would put bull in bill then blame repubilcans and bush bill is not passed

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    No one is blaming Bush.

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    Sure, cut some ing government programs first please. Do you quit working before you make sure your bills are paid?
    Here we agree. Maybe not on the programs, but yes. Cut most social programs dramatically!

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    Here we agree. Maybe not on the programs, but yes. Cut most social programs dramatically!
    Well until that is done forget this repeal the capital gains tax bull .

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    Fact check:

    A provision that would require the Treasury to take a 65 percent portion of 20 percent any profits it makes from the newly purchased assets and put it into the federal government's HOPE program, an affordable housing program.


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    Hope program is NOT ACORN.

    ACORN is a recipient of grant money from the program, initiated by Bush:

    The HOPE legislation created this:

    Self-help Homeownership Opportunity Program (SHOP)
    http://www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/affor...programs/shop/

    SHOP provides funds for eligible national and regional non-profit organizations and consortia to purchase home sites and develop or improve the infrastructure needed to set the stage for sweat equity and volunteer-based homeownership programs for low-income persons and families. SHOP funds are used for eligible expenses to develop decent, safe and sanitary non-luxury housing for low-income persons and families who otherwise would not become homeowners. Homebuyers must be willing to contribute significant amounts of their own sweat equity toward the construction of the housing units. Eligible homebuyers must apply through current SHOP grantees and their affiliates
    Eligible Activities:
    SHOP funds may be used for only land acquisition, infrastructure improvements,and administrative costs. Total land acquisition and infrastructure improvement costs together may not exceed an average of $15,000 in SHOP assistance per home. Administrative costs (program administration, planning and management development costs) may not exceed 20% of the grant amount.
    ACORN is indeed one of the Grantees:


    Current Grantees:
    ACORN Housing Corporation
    Contact: Martin Shalloo
    Telephone: (312) 939-1611
    (Service Area: Chicago, IL; Phoenix, AZ; Little Rock and Pine Bluff, AR; New York City, NY;
    New Orleans, LA; and, Houston, TX)


    Community Frameworks
    Contact: Christina Mejia
    Telephone: (360) 377-7738 x24
    (Service Area: Washington, Oregon, Idaho, and Montana)


    Habitat for Humanity International
    Contact: Christine Ta
    Telephone: (229) 410-7514
    (Service Area: Nationwide)


    Housing Assistance Council
    Contact: Joe Belden
    Telephone: (202) 842-8600
    (Service Area: Nationwide)


    PPEP Microbusiness and Housing Development Corporation
    Contact: Joni Soriano
    Telephone: (520) 889-4203 x2003
    (Service Area: Arizona, Colorado, and New Mexico)

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    ... although I would assume that Habitat for Humanity probably gets more money, having a larger organization and a larger coverage area.

    It is misleading to say that ACORN would be the sole, or even primary beneficiary of such funds.

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    No one is blaming Bush.
    donkeys are saying it is bush responisble to get republicans to get this bill passed after it stalled

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    I"ve seen nothing of this ACORN up until now. I agree it shouldn't be in there, and I'm not convinced it is or ever was.

    Prove me wrong though. Find something tangible not a circle of republican people pointing to each other and saying the other saw it.
    Are you calling Lindsey Graham or the good posters at Mic eMalkin.com liars....?

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    http://publicmarkup.org/bill/dodds-l...tment-aut/1/5/

    TRANSFER OF A PERCENTAGE OF PROFITS.

    1.

    DEPOSITS.Not less than 20 percent of any profit realized on the sale of each troubled asset purchased under this Act shall be deposited as provided in paragraph (2).
    2.

    USE OF DEPOSITS.Of the amount referred to in paragraph (1)
    1.

    65 percent shall be deposited into the Housing Trust Fund established under section 1338 of the Federal Housing Enterprises Regulatory Reform Act of 1992 (12 U.S.C. 4568); and
    2.

    35 percent shall be deposited into the Capital Magnet Fund established under section 1339 of that Act (12 U.S.C. 4569).
    3.

    REMAINDER DEPOSITED IN THE TREASURY.All amounts remaining after payments under paragraph (1) shall be paid into the General Fund of the Treasury for reduction of the public debt.

    http://blog.heritage.org/2008/05/28/...form-hostages/

    The Holy Grail for ACORN has been the establishment of a National Housing Trust Fund. During the brief economic downturn in 2001, ACORN pushed the fund as an economic stimulus. From 2003 through 2006 it pushed the fund as a solution to housing prices that were too high. Now liberals in Congress have included the National Housing Trust Fund in the latest housing bailout bill, arguing it’s needed because housing prices are too low.

    In 2006, liberals in Congress held much-needed reform of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae hostage in exchange for the creation of ACORN’s permanent housing slush fund. They are doing the same exact thing with the housing bailout bill. In fact, it is inaccurate to even describe the current bill as a housing bailout. From the beginning, Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) admitted it was irrelevant how many people the bill actually helped. Now Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) even pegs that number at a measly 500,000 over three years. Considering how long it would take to actually implement the program, and that home sales are up as home prices are returning to reality, this bill will do nothing to help currently distressed home buyers.

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