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    Glad I missed this stupid debate. seems like they didn't answer most questions. BS
    McCain does wanna freeze most federal spending.

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    how about the CNN voting poll?

    who won blue or red?

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    I would be incredibly suprised if a non internet poll should results anywhere near that.
    It was/is text message driven. I dont know what that means.

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    82/16? I thought McCain won the debate, but damn, 82/16 would be indicative of Bentsen/Quayle.

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    CNN and CBS polls were not conducted on their viewers. The viewer base has nothing to do with it.

    If that Fox Poll has 50,000 votes its an internet poll and doesn't mean anything. The 2 polls I listed were actual reasearch telephone polls.
    Oh - ok. Since I'm not watching those channels, I wasn't aware of how the polls were conducted. That being said, I still don't put much credence in ANY of these polls. I don't trust the people doing the surveying - I think all of them slant the polls to fit their own bias.

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    When it comes to picking nits and over parsing statements, Bill Clinton has nothing on you.
    Well, it just so happens the nit being picked is the fact that Obama said that he, as President, would personally meet with Ahmadinejad without preconditions.

    Shasta is trying to parse his way out of that. It ain't happening.

    Kissinger never said he agreed with the President of the United States meeting without preconditions.

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    Internet poll = useless

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    It was/is text message driven. I dont know what that means.
    It means its not accurate.

    The 2 polls conducted that I've seen results from so far are telephone polls carried out in the manner most serious public opinion research is carried out. They're relatively accurate but have a MOE of around 4 points or so.

    The FOX stuff is not accurate in the least. I wish Fox was contributing a real poll so we could see what it said. I'm hoping more pollsters have conducted polls.

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    Well, it just so happens the nit being picked is the fact that Obama said that he, as President, would personally meet with Ahmadinejad without preconditions.

    Shasta is trying to parse his way out of that. It ain't happening.

    Kissinger never said he agreed with the President of the United States meeting without preconditions.
    Just the Secretary of State, which means if you support this you are now throwing W under the bus.


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    Just an update:

    Biden was just on CNN.

    When can I expect Palin to appear on FOX?
    Biden is on FOX.

    When can I expect Palin on FOX?!
    Biden is on MSNBC.

    When can I expect Palin to be on ing FOX?!

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    It means its not accurate.

    The 2 polls conducted that I've seen results from so far are telephone polls carried out in the manner most serious public opinion research is carried out. They're relatively accurate but have a MOE of around 4 points or so.

    The FOX stuff is not accurate in the least. I wish Fox was contributing a real poll so we could see what it said. I'm hoping more pollsters have conducted polls.

    Thanks again.

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    Well, it just so happens the nit being picked is the fact that Obama said that he, as President, would personally meet with Ahmadinejad without preconditions.

    Shasta is trying to parse his way out of that. It ain't happening.

    Kissinger never said he agreed with the President of the United States meeting without preconditions.
    He told us he supports talks, if not with Ahmadinejad, then with high level Iranian officials, without preconditions.
    Sounds like he was open to it when he spoke to Katie Couric. "If not with Ahmadinejad".

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    The bars are still open in Philly. Palin is getting blotto.

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    CNN keeps releasing figures from their god damn poll but they won't put it on a website which is pissing me off.

    Women for Obama 2:1 ratio though. People over 50 for Obama slightly, and Men for McCain slightly.

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    Manny, you said the CNN is reliable (+/-4).

    If so, they just said the following demographics scored:

    People aged 50+: 48-40 Obama
    Men: 48-42 Men
    Women: 58-40

    If true, another coup.

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    Some hotties standing behind Alan Colmes on Fox "McCain won - 82%" News.

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    CNN keeps releasing figures from their god damn poll but they won't put it on a website which is pissing me off.

    Women for Obama 2:1 ratio though. People over 50 for Obama slightly, and Men for McCain slightly.
    lol

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    Sounds like he was open to it when he spoke to Katie Couric. "If not with Ahmadinejad".
    Hold on, quit moving the target Shasta, we're dealing with two specific issues here. Please, try to keep up.

    McCain pointed out, and rightly so, that Obama had stated that, as President, he would meet with Ahmadinejad, without preconditions.

    Is that True or not? Did Obama at any point in this campaign say that he would sit down with Ahmadinejad, without preconditions?

    Second, in response to that specific assertion, Obama lied in using Henry Kissinger as cover by saying that Henry Kissinger agreed with him on the matter when, in fact, Henry Kissing said no such thing.

    Is that True or not? Did or did not Henry Kissinger ever say that he supported the idea of the President of the United States sitting down with Ahmadinejad, without preconditions?

    Try to stay on point now.

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    Who are they polling? Are they just randomly calling people? Because if they called me, I wouldn't answer the phone. Thanks to caller ID, I don't answer it if I don't recognize the number. Do you think they'd leave a vmail so I couldn call them back?

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    Some hotties standing behind Alan Colmes on Fox "McCain won - 82%" News.
    Fox is such a joke. I don't know how anyone can watch them and claim not to be a lemming.

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    CNN keeps releasing figures from their god damn poll but they won't put it on a website which is pissing me off.

    Women for Obama 2:1 ratio though. People over 50 for Obama slightly, and Men for McCain slightly.
    Probably because their internals suck...oversampled somebody.

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    I've been following politics long enough to understand you don't win a debate by actually "winning" the debate. You win a debate by shoring up your weaknesses with the American people.

    People who say Obama tonight who were wondering about his readiness probably came out feeling impressed with his presence. Those who saw McCain tonight wondering about his judgment probably came out feeling impressed with his experience and command of foreign policy issues. Unfortunately for McCain he NEEDED to win this debate and he just didn't do it.

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    Im glad someone is bagging on Palin.

    MIA

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    Fox is such a joke. I don't know how anyone can watch them and claim not to be a lemming.
    Probably the same could be said of those who watch CNN

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    Probably because their internals suck...oversampled somebody.
    As opposed to a goddamned self-selecting CELL PHONE VOTE? off already.

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