1st Presidential Debate Blog

[ChumpDumper]

Still waiting for someone to tell me what any of it means.

Still waiting. Posting an answer should be easier than creating and saving a stupid picture.

[Findog]

Still waiting. Posting an answer should be easier than creating and saving a stupid picture.

The best I could plausibly think of if I were to answer for them is that Obama MUST be concealing much more radical views than he lets on in his official capacity as the Dem nominee for President. And his association with such men is testament to a lack of character.

I think that's what they really believe, but they know they'll be laughed and mocked at for espousing it. It's ultimately the same thing as Kerry is a "flip flopper" (like he's the only politician who ever changed his mind) or Gore is a serial liar taking credit for the Internet and being the inspiration for a character in a novel. Putting the focus on things that don't matter, since they can't win on the issues.

[AFBlue]

I'm laughing because I can hear Dr. Phil saying it in my mind...or maybe that's my impersonation of Dr. Phil saying it. Either way, funny as .

[AFBlue]

I respect your takes. I'm not sure, but I think I saw you post elsewhere that you're a McCain supporter, if I'm not mistaken. Kudos on being civil and being interested in a discussion instead of the usual back and forth without bickering or name calling.

Appreciate the kudos. I know it's not very often that civility or logic find their way into this forum.

Yes I'm a McCain supporter and a registered Republican (required by Texas to vote in the primary), but I try to look at things as objectively as possible and am usually willing to concede points where they're due.

As for the next President, I'm optimistic whoever it is will be able to improve our standing in the world and make some headway with Iran, North Korea, and now Russia. I'm also hoping we don't have to put boots on the ground to resolve anything, but that may not totally be up to us.

Either way, our President needs to be ready...and it's just my opinion that McCain is better prepared to handle whatever may come.

[Yonivore]

Oh yeah, Rezko hooked him up with a below market rate on a house. What does that have to do with Iraq, health care, the bailout, climate change, etc?

Speaks to integrity. If he's willing to deal with dogs in his personal life...well, oh wait! He's already said he'd deal with dogs in his official capacity...without preconditions.

[Shastafarian]

And, S y, what were McCain's "20" lies?

Here's one.

SEN. MCCAIN: But there's also the issue of responsibility. You've mentioned President Dwight David Eisenhower. President Eisenhower, on the night before the Normandy invasion, went into his room, and he wrote out two letters. One of them was a letter congratulating the great members of the military and Allies that had conducted and succeeded in the greatest invasion in history -- still, to this day, and forever. And he wrote out another letter, and that was a letter of resignation from the United States Army for the failure of the landings at Normandy. Somehow we've lost that accountability.

I've been heavily criticized because I called for the resignation of the chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission.

We've got to start also holding people accountable, and we've got to reward people who succeed.

-- John McCain, presidential debate, Oxford, Miss., Sept. 26, 2008.

This is how John McCain kicked off the first debate, with two big misstatements of fact.

First of all, here is the second and thankfully unnecessary letter that General Eisenhower wrote on the eve of D-Day. As you can probably see, it concludes with the words, "If any blame is found attached to the attempt, it is mine alone." In other words, he never offered to resign. Where McCain got that idea from, I have no idea. Wasn't that remark prepared in advance?

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/a...Ike_facts.html

There's also one in there about him saying he would ask the SEC Chairman to resign even though he ACTUALLY said he'd fire him (something the president can't do). But I figured you'd cop out and say, "he meant force a resignation idiot" so I didn't even bother copying and pasting that one.

[Hook Dem]

Maybe. Maybe he's just too old...

This is the kind of arrogance and disrespect the youth of our country displays after being told to do so by democratic talking points.

[boutons_]

Both Candidates Made Misstatements, But McCain's Were By A Mile


"I've put together a summary of the misstatements of fact in last night's debate as tracked by FactCheck.org.


The bottom-line is that while Obama did make a few mistakes, none were outright fabrications, and even when wrong, he was fairly close to being accurate.


McCain, on the other hand, delivered several whoppers that weren't even close to the truth.


First, Obama's misstatements:

• Denied voting for a budget plan that called for a tax increase on people making $42K. He did vote for a budget resolution with such a recommendation, but even if it had passed, it would have not have had the force of law. Moreover, he does not support such a tax increase in his current plan.
• Claimed Iraq has a $79 billion surplus, but that figure is outdated and the actually number is now closer to $60 billion.
• Claimed 95% of "the American people" would see a tax cut under his plan when he should have said "95% of American families with children."
• Claimed McCain's health care plan would levy taxes against employers on health care premiums when McCain would actually be taxing individuals.

Second, McCain misstatements:

• Denied Kissinger called for meetings with Iran without conditions, when Kissinger had made such a call.
• Claimed Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen had criticized Obama's troop withdrawal plan when Mullen had not.
• Claimed earmarks had tripled in the last five years when they have actually decreased.
• Claimed U.S. pays $700 billion per year to buy oil from hostile nations when the actual figure is at most $359 billion.
• Claimed Obama would hand the health care system to the federal government, which is false.
• Claimed Dwight Eisenhower had penned a letter offering his resignation if Normandy had failed, but that didn't happen.

Basically, when Obama erred, he was saying 2 + 2 = 4.01. When McCain erred, he was saying 2 + 2 = 4,000,001."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...tml?view=print

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McMakesUpRandom continues to make up random and lie in the debate as he, lipstick pitbull , and their ads do, refuting any comparison that says HUSSEIN is even within an order of magnitude of McSenile's volume of crap.

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[Hook Dem]

Surprise...surprise...surprise! Democrats are supporting their candidate and Republicans are supporting theirs. It's funny how they come on here and try to get everyone to see their point of view. The truth of the matter is that minds are made up and they see this much like a football game. Nothing is solved here but making yourself feel better by running down the other candidate. You're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours. I used to be a democrat until I grew up and experienced life a little.

[Shastafarian]

Second, McCain misstatements:

* Denied Kissinger called for meetings with Iran without conditions, when Kissinger had made such a call.
* Claimed Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen had criticized Obama's troop withdrawal plan when Mullen had not.
* Claimed earmarks had tripled in the last five years when they have actually decreased.
* Claimed U.S. pays $700 billion per year to buy oil from hostile nations when the actual figure is at most $359 billion.
* Claimed Obama would hand the health care system to the federal government, which is false.
* Claimed Dwight Eisenhower had penned a letter offering his resignation if Normandy had failed, but that didn't happen.

These are the big ones IMHO.

[Shastafarian]

Surprise...surprise...surprise! Democrats are supporting their candidate and Republicans are supporting theirs. It's funny how they come on here and try to get everyone to see their point of view. The truth of the matter is that minds are made up and they see this much like a football game. Nothing is solved here but making yourself feel better by running down the other candidate. You're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours. I used to be a democrat until I grew up and experienced life a little.

So I guess all Democrats over the age of 35 are just dumb or what? Or are you trying to say everyone's experiences are different and lead them down different ideological paths?

[Hook Dem]

"Or are you trying to say everyone's experiences are different and lead them down different ideological paths?"..............[B]EXACTLY!B]

[Cry Havoc]

Surprise...surprise...surprise! Democrats are supporting their candidate and Republicans are supporting theirs. It's funny how they come on here and try to get everyone to see their point of view. The truth of the matter is that minds are made up and they see this much like a football game. Nothing is solved here but making yourself feel better by running down the other candidate. You're not going to change my mind and I'm not going to change yours. I used to be a democrat until I grew up and experienced life a little.

But the independents on this board (I won't put myself into that category even though I am one, because I was not objectively watching the debate) such as DarkReign, Mr. Peabody, and several others have mostly stated that they thought Obama came off as a clear winner. Not everyone did, but the people who are regularly a part of the political forum at large and actively post here mostly go to Obama. That's the real measuring stick.

What pisses me off is that both sides of the fence are once again giving their political en ies a 100% free pass to say whatever they want with support. With a few exceptions, it's only the independents on this board who are calling the candidates out for slip-ups and idiotic statements.

[AFBlue]

But the independents on this board (I won't put myself into that category even though I am one, because I was not objectively watching the debate) such as DarkReign, Mr. Peabody, and several others have mostly stated that they thought Obama came off as a clear winner. Not everyone did, but the people who are regularly a part of the political forum at large and actively post here mostly go to Obama. That's the real measuring stick.

What pisses me off is that both sides of the fence are once again giving their political en ies a 100% free pass to say whatever they want with support. With a few exceptions, it's only the independents on this board who are calling the candidates out for slip-ups and idiotic statements.

FWIW, I thought each candidate handled their strength very well (Obama on Economy and McCain on Foreign Policy), but that Obama did a better job than expected on his weakness versus McCain. He showed a decent command of foreign policy and didn't look totally overmatched.

[Shastafarian]

FWIW, I thought each candidate handled their strength very well (Obama on Economy and McCain on Foreign Policy), but that Obama did a better job than expected on his weakness versus McCain. He showed a decent command of foreign policy and didn't look totally overmatched.

It should be noted that current President Zardari told Wolf Blitzer that he agrees with Obama's stance of "unwilling or unable". He says they are willing but he made a specific note of what Obama said. Yet McCain continues to attack Obama on what he has said. God I hate politicians.

[AFBlue]

It should be noted that current President Zardari told Wolf Blitzer that he agrees with Obama's stance of "unwilling or unable". He says they are willing but he made a specific note of what Obama said. Yet McCain continues to attack Obama on what he has said. God I hate politicians.

Political leverage so he can go into Kashmir "to chase down terrorists" without the support of the Indian government. Turnabout is fair play....




Just kidding...

[Yonivore]

So I guess all Democrats over the age of 35 are just dumb or what? Or are you trying to say everyone's experiences are different and lead them down different ideological paths?

If you're young and conservative, you have no heart. If you're old and liberal, you have no brain.

You can pick where young becomes old.

[Yonivore]

Second, McCain misstatements:

* Denied Kissinger called for meetings with Iran without conditions, when Kissinger had made such a call.
* Claimed Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen had criticized Obama's troop withdrawal plan when Mullen had not.
* Claimed earmarks had tripled in the last five years when they have actually decreased.
* Claimed U.S. pays $700 billion per year to buy oil from hostile nations when the actual figure is at most $359 billion.
* Claimed Obama would hand the health care system to the federal government, which is false.
* Claimed Dwight Eisenhower had penned a letter offering his resignation if Normandy had failed, but that didn't happen.

These are the big ones IMHO.

Well, if those are the big ones, you've got nothing.

[ChumpDumper]

Yoni couldn't be more of a hypocrite if he tried.