Spurs sign Charles Gaines and waive Morrison

[Solid D]

Spurs basically have 7 players vying for a 14th and 15th roster slot, (Stoudamire, Tolliver, Farmer, Hairston, Green, Gaines, and Watkins) with a post player and a wing being the positions of greatest need.

[tav1]

Spurs basically have 7 players vying for a 14th and 15th roster slot, (Stoudamire, Tolliver, Farmer, Hairston, Green, Gaines, and Watkins) with a post player and a wing being the positions of greatest need.

Unless they clear a roster spot.

[DPG21920]

Spurs basically have 7 players vying for a 14th and 15th roster slot, (Stoudamire, Tolliver, Farmer, Hairston, Green, Gaines, and Watkins) with a post player and a wing being the positions of greatest need.

Exactly. This is what I have been trying to say. The 13 man roster (12 man season and one IR spot) is essentially set unless something very crazy happens.

KT/Oberto
Duncan/Bonner/Ian
Bruce/Ime
Manu/Mason/Finley
Parker/Hill

Vaughn, ?, ?

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs basically have 7 players vying for a 14th and 15th roster slot, (Stoudamire, Tolliver, Farmer, Hairston, Green, Gaines, and Watkins) with a post player and a wing being the positions of greatest need.

I have a hunch Tolliver is all but on the final 15. I'd say the final spot would go to either Salim or Farmer, unless Green or Hairston make some kind of wild improvement during camp.

[Solid D]

Gaines looks like one of those tough coyotes that comes out of the pack with the meat the others are fighting for. He's been around the hardwood a while and taken a few coins to the head from passionate Spaniards.

I agree, Chump, that Tolliver should be one if he shoots like he did in SL. Matt Bonner is mos' def on the hot seat.

[Ice009]

I have a hunch Tolliver is all but on the final 15. I'd say the final spot would go to either Salim or Farmer, unless Green or Hairston make some kind of wild improvement during camp.

I think you're pretty spot on. I have heard good things about Farmer. What do you think of him?

Maybe both Stoudamire and Farmer make the cut if someone else is moved or released.

[ChumpDumper]

I think you're pretty spot on. I have heard good things about Farmer. What do you think of him?

I saw him play in Austin and McAllen for the Vipers. He was carrying the team most of the time after CJ Watson left. The Toros completely shut him down one game but he kept coming back; I think he impressed with his toughness in that respect. He also did a fair amount of point guard duty late in the season due to multiple injuries on his team, so he has the ability to bring up the ball that the Spurs like in their guards.

He was a pretty steady scorer in the D-League, but every once in awhile he just got unconscious and poured in buckets and got to the line no matter what the opposing team did. I think he might be a more versatile scorer than Salim, but it remains to be seen if he can do it at the NBA level.

[angelbelow]

morrison blows good thing he got wavied.

[T Park]

Seems like too many talented young guys not enough roster spots.

I don't really wanna give up on hairston yet either.

[benefactor]

Seems like too many talented young guys not enough roster spots.

I don't really wanna give up on hairston yet either.

Yeah...me too. But with a pedestrian performance in the summer league he is really going to have to shine at camp and in the preseason to get a roster spot. If he does I am betting he is only a garbage time player.

[intlspurshk]

Stoudamire and Farmer and Watkin (Spurs need a center with blocking abilities).
Bonner and JV, either one should be out.

[Solid D]

Stoudamire and Farmer and Watkin (Spurs need a center with blocking abilities).
Bonner and JV, either one should be out.

Watkins: Can Watkins hustle up and down the court quickly enough for Pop? Not sure, there.

Stoudamire: I do not see Stoudamire beating out JV. I do think Hill will supplant Vaughn as the #2 PG during the season.

Farmer: Manu's energy scoring must be replaced in the first segment of the season. The Spurs need offensive bullets in their gun. If he can play even half-way decent defense and he does what he is asked to do, he definitely has a place on this team.

Bonner: hot seat

[Ice009]

Watkins: Can Watkins hustle up and down the court quickly enough for Pop? Not sure, there.

Stoudamire: I do not see Stoudamire beating out JV. I do think Hill will supplant Vaughn as the #2 PG during the season.

Farmer: Manu's energy scoring must be replaced in the first segment of the season. The Spurs need offensive bullets in their gun. If he can play even half-way decent defense and he does what he is asked to do, he definitely has a place on this team.

Bonner: hot seat

I like your take Solid D especially about Farmer. From the sounds of it Farmer is a better prospect that Hairston. I think Hairston is going to have to freaking play like a beast to make it on this team after his summer league.

And T Park I agree with you 100% too many talented guys not enough roster spots. This to me looks like the best talent we've brought into training camp in years. I'm actually freaking excited about preseason this year with all the talent the Spurs have brought in trying to make the team. Should be awesome!

btw thanks for the scouting report on Farmer Chumpdumper. Do you think he's good enough to make the team if he plays up to his abilities within the Spurs system?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

pace adjustment changes numbers slightly, but not enough to claim some numbers are just a result of a teams pace.
even if you take the fastest team in a league and compare it to the average, the difference will be about +5%. same of course in the other direction either.

ULEB cup numbers don't tell much, because the level of compe ion in the regular season is between weak and joke.
, even the Austrian champ made it to the top 16 last year. that's not exactly a proof for a high level of compe ion. believe me, I know what I'm talking about.

most of the better domestic leagues in Europe play a higher level of compe ion than the regular season of the former ULEB cup.
the compe ion might get pretty good from the quarter finals. but that about it. even the winner will have played only 5-8 tough games.
that's a huge difference to the Euroleague regular season. there are also some weaker teams in, but the gap from the best to the worst team in Euroleague is a fractional amount to the gap from the better Eurocup teams to the bad teams. that's like good divison I teams to bad division III teams in the NCA.

This is two different issue. You need pay attention better. I am try explain in team like CSKA or PAO he will not even play more then 5-10 minute and in truth he will not even make club.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Judging from his size 6.9 and thin and a good sense of blocking shot..what i see is a BRUCE BOWEN'S HEIR... watch out Udoka!!! You just got yourself a compe or!!! I wouldnt surprise if this guy start receiving crazy dose of 3 points training from coach Chip

I think he is more like 2.03 m than 2.06 m. So maybe 6-8 and not the 6-9. He is no more bigger than 2.02 or 2.03 players.

[ChumpDumper]

The knock on Farmer is doesn't have the rep of being a team player. It worked out fine for him on the Vipers because most of the time there were no other real scorers and he was far and away the best player on the team. I was particularly impressed by his three point shooting on a team that had no reliable post presence. As far as D-League free agents go, he's pretty much the best available.

The thing about Hairston is I think he is talented enough that he could probably perform at pretty close to the same level in the D-League in the same situation. It could take time though. Farmer is about to turn 27 and played for next to nothing in the D_League for three years, so I'm assuming this is the last time he's going to give the NBA a try before getting some long term security overseas. He has certainly paid his dues, so I'm glad he has been given a shot. I hope he gives his best effort.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Gaines looks like one of those tough coyotes that comes out of the pack with the meat the others are fighting for. He's been around the hardwood a while and taken a few coins to the head from passionate Spaniards.

I agree, Chump, that Tolliver should be one if he shoots like he did in SL. Matt Bonner is mos' def on the hot seat.

Can some fan explain why Spurs give Bonner $9 million and refuse give it to Scola? I have never see this explain in way that make sense.

[ducks]

Can some fan explain why Spurs give Bonner $9 million and refuse give it to Scola? I have never see this explain in way that make sense.

because scola would not sign with the spurs
scola also plays at the same spot as duncan
Duncan>scola

booner shots three's scola does not

[ChumpDumper]

Can some fan explain why Spurs give Bonner $9 million and refuse give it to Scola? I have never see this explain in way that make sense.

Had to trade Scola's rights to get rid of Jackie Butler's salary.

[Ice009]

The knock on Farmer is doesn't have the rep of being a team player. It worked out fine for him on the Vipers because most of the time there were no other real scorers and he was far and away the best player on the team. I was particularly impressed by his three point shooting on a team that had no reliable post presence. As far as D-League free agents goes, he's pretty much the best available.

The thing about Hairston is I think he is talented enough that he could probably perform at pretty close to the same level in the D-League in the same situation. It could take time though. Farmer is about to turn 27 and played for next to nothing in the D_League for three years, so I'm assuming this is the last time he's going to give the NBA a try before getting some long term security overseas. He has certainly paid his dues, so I'm glad he has been given a shot. I hope he gives his best effort.

Good info thanks. He needs to go all out and play a team game. If he can do that then I think he has a chance to make the team since he seems to have the skills.

[mrspurs]

No surprise there.

[Spurs Brazil]

Any chance for Green?

[intlspurshk]

No chance for Green (he has no special skills?)
Hairston is not ready.
If Bonner can't beat Tolliver with 2 years experience with SPURS, he should leave NBA. It's not that I don't like Tolliver. But I think Pop will choose Bonner no matter what happen for his corporate knowledge, I am afraid. But anyway, either one stay, not both.
I like Stoudmaire and Farmer. This team can take another Stephen Jackson as the wild cards who turn around the games sometimes. SPURS don't have these players for a long time since SJ departed.
Timmy need helps and team needs length. Hope Watkin stays.

But when was the last time a training camp invitee stay? and there should be 1 seat to serve the music chair for Toros. I hope at least 1 or 2 invitees stay but it doesn't look too good.

[Solid D]

Can some fan explain why Spurs give Bonner $9 million and refuse give it to Scola? I have never see this explain in way that make sense.

Scola's buyout with Tau was 8 figures (left of the decimal) most of the time until last season. I cannot explain why the Spurs traded Scola's rights last summer so don't remind me, thank you very much.