Trade Exception Possibilities

[Allanon]

Sitting in my dorm needing a break from work, I played around with the ESPN trade machine and remembered the Beno trade exception. It isn't much; about $1.7 mil. But checking all the players on every roster, one of the more intriguing names is David Lee. He could be had with the exception.

Also, with the Knicks thinking about letting go of Marbury, their depth at PG becomes more of an issue. Duhon, whom they traded for, figures to be the man. Nate Robinson seems to play more SG at times, so perhaps they could use a veteran PG in Vaughn for insurance. However, if D'Antoni prefers more scoring, he might be more interested in Hill...

Anyway, the Knicks have a trade exception at a little under $1.4 million, even less than ours, which makes their options more limited. Jacque's salary is just under $1.3, so the Spurs and Knicks could use their respective TEs to sign the players of the trade.

Here's the link: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...:24-2448&cash=

Again, maybe this speculation is totally unfounded on my part, but I needed some ST to ease my mind.

I don't think the Knicks would ever consider trading David Lee, he's actually one of the few Knicks players that actually cares.

[tp2021]

Now I'm just being stupid.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...:24-2448&cash=

[mountainballer]

I don't think the Knicks would ever consider trading David Lee, he's actually one of the few Knicks players that actually cares.

IMO they will. not to get rid of him, but to somehow become a player in the 2010 FA market. Lee needs to be re-signed 2009 and I don't think he will re sign for the minimum just to save the Knicks their cap space for 2010. he will at least get some MLE offers and matching such an offer will hurt the Knicks plans big time. so they will try to move him for something that doesn't cost much, but brings back talent and that's a future pick, as high as possible.
(or they use him as a teaser in a package and try a salary dump move. like Crawford plus Lee for a contract that expires 2010.)

[mountainballer]

Sitting in my dorm needing a break from work, I played around with the ESPN trade machine and remembered the Beno trade exception. It isn't much; about $1.7 mil. But checking all the players on every roster, one of the more intriguing names is David Lee. He could be had with the exception.

sorry, but Lee can't be had for the TE.
a TE can only be used to take a contract exactly as big or smaller. (no 125%+100K rule)
the Beno TE is $1,747,096 and Lee's salary is $1,788,033.
that's not much difference, but even a single $ is still to much.
(however, we know that the Knicks will get so much more for Lee than a TE. at least they will get a nice 1st round pick out of such a deal)

teams that will look to dump a player for a TE will be those that pay either lux tax and/or need to clear a roster spot.
I can see the Blazers try to dump Rodriguez for a TE plus a future pick (or rights?)
(this would be very intriguing for the Spurs IMO. Rodriguez wants out anyhow. yes, he struggled in the NBA, but he's a fantastic talent and still only 22).

other players likely available for our TE: Mardy Collins, Aaron Brooks, Travis Diener, Stephen Graham, Dominic McGuire, Mike Harris, Calvin Booth, Coby Karl, Steve Novak. not that I wanted any of them. (maybe I would give Collins a try and would think about McGuire, because of his size)

[tav1]

Other TE possibles: Sergio Rodriguez.

Javaris Crittenton or Kyle Lowry might be available if the Spurs took back a big contract, like Darko's millstone. Although, I personally like the idea of bringing in Lowry and, yes, Milicic, I'm sure the Spurs don't. And this would have to be done in two deals.

Another possibility, Bruno's suggestion, is Shawne Williams. He's too much of a knucklehead for Pop, though.

We might see the Spurs use their trade exception, but IMO it will be for a player who is going to be cut by his team because of roster limitations. The Spurs could take a flier, a la James White. This player would go to the Toros.

The Spurs have an odd mix of players under contract right now. Maybe we'll see them pull off a small trade between now and the start of the season.

[tp2021]

sorry, but Lee can't be had for the TE.
a TE can only be used to take a contract exactly as big or smaller. (no 125%+100K rule)
the Beno TE is $1,747,096 and Lee's salary is $1,788,033.
that's not much difference, but even a single $ is still to much.

OK...I just assumed it was a possibility since the Trade Machine approved of it.

[Allanon]

IMO they will. not to get rid of him, but to somehow become a player in the 2010 FA market. Lee needs to be re-signed 2009 and I don't think he will re sign for the minimum just to save the Knicks their cap space for 2010. he will at least get some MLE offers and matching such an offer will hurt the Knicks plans big time. so they will try to move him for something that doesn't cost much, but brings back talent and that's a future pick, as high as possible.
(or they use him as a teaser in a package and try a salary dump move. like Crawford plus Lee for a contract that expires 2010.)

I believe they'll keep him because the Knicks have the cap room to spare now. Last time I worked it out, it looked like the Knicks already have enough space to sign 2 max players in 2010. The other thing is the Knicks are rich and never afraid of the luxury tax... they have the highest payroll right now ($100 million) for that junk team.

Maybe you're right though, maybe they'll hold out to sign BOTH LeBron and Wade or Chris Bosh in 2010...that'd be crazy.

Other TE possibles: Sergio Rodriguez.

Javaris Crittenton or Kyle Lowry might be available if the Spurs took back a big contract, like Darko's millstone. Although, I personally like the idea of bringing in Lowry and, yes, Milicic, I'm sure the Spurs don't. And this would have to be done in two deals.

This is a very intriguing proposition. Either Kyle Lowry or Javaris Crittenton would be just what the doctor ordered for the Spurs.

In addition, taking back Darko isn't a bad thing.
1) $7.5 million isn't bad for a decent Center/PF
2) He only has 2 years left
3) He's still very young at 23 years old and he is a legit 7 foot, 275 pounds

His stats: 23 minutes, 44% fg, 6 rbds and 7 points...not bad at all for 23 minutes.

[Bruno]

The rule for a TE is 100%+100K.
CBA wise, Lee for the Beno TE works.

[tp2021]

Well if Bruno says it works, that's good enough for me.

[mountainballer]

OK...I just assumed it was a possibility since the Trade Machine approved of it.

well, I was wrong there, obviously.
sorry, my bad.

[tp2021]

It's all good. All input brings about discussion which helps lead to an informed conclusion.

[angelbelow]

get darko!

[DPG21920]

Still think the Nets could be a possibility:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008...nge_131208.htm

Sean Williams Sean Williams could get a complex. The Nets New Jersey Nets ' 2007 first-round pick probably planned on quality time this season. So the Nets traded for Yi Jianlian, drafted Ryan Anderson, signed Eduardo Najera, all guys who play Williams' four spot. Plus, returning power guys Stromile Swift and Josh Boone Josh Boone hadn't moved.

"I see it as I'm glad I'm still here," said Williams, whose athleticism and shot-blocking intrigue. "If they didn't want me here, they would have traded me. It's a challenge, [but] every year there's 30 new guys coming into the league, so you've got to expect the compe ion. It only makes you better, pushes you."

Williams' goal is to be a defensive stopper. He insists he can guard all five positions by "using my athleticism to bring energy and a defensive presence . . . I'll play and do whatever needs to be done. All I want is for my teammates and the organization to respect what I do."

The Nets want Williams to be who and what he is. GM Kiki Vandeweghe said he wants players to maximize strengths, not just minimize weaknesses. Williams is a prime case.

"You look for Sean to use his athleticism to defend, rebound the ball at both ends and block shots," Vandeweghe said. "Create havoc out there with his ability to block shots and his ability to jump on the offensive rebound. It's important for Sean to stay within his game, do the things he does well and not try to do too many things."

So far, so good in camp.

[tav1]

http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsi...sley_deal.html

The Pacers moved Tinsley to the Nuggets (suckers!) and now have a surplus of players (17). In short, the speculation about the availability of Shawne Williams has more credence this morning than last week. If the Spurs want to take a flier on a long wing, here's their chance.

Edit: My fault. I read the New York Post report and misread the headline of the Indy Star report. Tinsley has not been traded...the Indy Star report is to be favored over the New York Post.

[tp2021]

Its all speculation, but if the Spurs were to target one of these two players, which would they prefer: Cook, or Williams?

[tav1]

Its all speculation, but if the Spurs were to target one of these two players, which would they prefer: Cook, or Williams?

I don't think Dequan Cook is available. But the Spurs did like him in the past. Still, given the current roster, I'd rather have Williams.

I'm not a Williams fan per se, but he's on a one year deal and worth a trade exception flier. Worse case, he walks next summer. Best case, we find a future 8th man in the deal.

[tp2021]

I don't think Dequan Cook is available. But the Spurs did like him in the past. Still, given the current roster, I'd rather have Williams.

I'm not a Williams fan per se, but he's on a one year deal and worth a trade exception flier. Worse case, he walks next summer. Best case, we find a future 8th man in the deal.

Talk of Cook being available in this thread:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106227

[angelbelow]

if cook is available the spurs should be going after him pretty hard. if we get him via TE i would be estatic because it will be like we didnt waste our pick last year.

[tav1]

Talk of Cook being available in this thread:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106227

Thanks. I hadn't seen that report.

From where I sit, either player is worth the trade exception and roster spot. If the Spurs can land either one, then they should.

Cook wouldn't play for us with Mason Jr. and Manu at guard, so I'll still kinda favor Williams. Although I think Cook might be a little better. And Cook is also D-League eligible.

But finding a serviceable wing is such a priority in my book, I'd prefer Williams.

It's nice to know these options are out there. This off season might not be over with yet.

[tav1]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3624290

Livingston is in Miami.

Buford should be on the phone with Indiana and Miami right now.

[Spurs Brazil]

Livingston On Verge Of Deal With Heat


Oct 03, 2008 4:27 AM EST
Former high lottery pick Shaun Livingston is on the verge of signing a contract with the Miami Heat, according to a report in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.

It is believed that Livingston will meet with the Heat on Friday where he will sign a contract. Agent Henry Thomas said earlier this week that Livingston was "leaning toward Miami."

The move may mean more moves are on the horizon for the Heat, with Pat Riley trying to keep his ball club away from the luxury tax. According to the report Miami may try to trade away Daequan Cook or Dorell Wright for nothing in return.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...eal_with_heat/

[lotr1trekkie]

Bring back Rasho! He would give us 10 minutes of SIZE and he knows the Spur's system. He will go back to Europe next year anyway. Exactly which big on the current roster can play D and rebound if Fab or T-man is injured?? Ian?

[timvp]

Cook being available is really interesting. The Spurs have been stockpiling scorers and Cook is another scorer. If the Heat want to salary dump, the Spurs should be offering at least two second rounders.

[kobyz]

if we could get Shawne Williams with the Trade Exception it will be great!!

[tav1]

Bring back Rasho! He would give us 10 minutes of SIZE and he knows the Spur's system. He will go back to Europe next year anyway. Exactly which big on the current roster can play D and rebound if Fab or T-man is injured?? Ian?

wtf? Rasho isn't a part of this conversation. Stay on point.