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    Give me a break. Everyone knows John McCain cheated on his first wife with Cindy when he was a lot older than Obama was when he knew this guy. How they can be such hypocrits amazes me.

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    You can't even question a potential president about questionable ties to questionable people anymore.

    We are ed.

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    I'll take that as a, "no I haven't read either book. I'm getting my information from biased sources. I'm sorry I've been such a bag." Thanks for being honest Yoni.

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    You can't even question a potential president about questionable ties to questionable people anymore.

    We are ed.
    He's been asked. Over and over and over and over, and over ,and over. I have zero doubt that people like you a toni and have been digging four the last 6 months for ANYTHING to tie Obama to anyone of these guys.ZERO proof, but,but,but we just want to ask him about his past relationships.

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    Can ANYONE explain why McCain spent his 70th birthday on a boat rented out to a guy who was just sent to prison for fraud?



    Come on... ANYONE.

    Or this:

    A few months after McCain's yacht party, Follieri strengthened his ties to McCain's orbit by retaining Rick Davis's well-connected Washington lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, and offering Davis both an investment deal and help in securing the Catholic vote for McCain's presidential bid.
    Mic check... anyone anyone...

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    Let's see... Obama spends time on a educational board in Chicago with a man who committed domestic terrorism acts when Obama was 8.

    McCain spends his 70th birthday two years ago with a man who not only retained the lobbying firm of McCain's top aide and current co-manager of his campaign but was recently convicted and sentenced to prison for fraud.

    Hmmm....

    ANYONE?

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    You can't even question a potential president about questionable ties to questionable people anymore.

    We are ed.
    I just threw out some questions, let's see how fast you get up to the plate.
    Last edited by Buddy Holly; 10-05-2008 at 12:32 AM.

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    See, here's the thing. Obama interacts with a man who committed crimes almost 40 years ago. The right wants to vilify him because, he talks and socializes with a man who committed crimes almost 40 YEARS AGO, so long ago most who are reading this weren't even born. So long ago, TV was still in standard black and white. So long ago, , a long time ago.

    McCain socialites with a man who at the time was committing crimes. He celebrates his birthday with the con man. Connects him with Davis and his lobbyist.

    Yet, why is Obama constantly on the hot seat about "relationships?"
    Last edited by Buddy Holly; 10-05-2008 at 12:54 PM.

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    This thread has all of a sudden suffers from a lack of conservative participation?

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    This thread has all of a sudden suffers from a lack of conservative participation?
    You refused to answer my question and then started babbling about President Bush's (not running for office in this election) alleged problems ...why should I participate anymore?

    So, get me back in the game...why, exactly, do you believe Barak Obama failed to mention his 6 years at the CAC -- six years of experience he now claims is the qualifier for his executive experience -- in either of his two autobiographies.

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    You refused to answer my question and then started babbling about President Bush's (not running for office in this election) alleged problems ...why should I participate anymore?

    So, get me back in the game...why, exactly, do you believe Barak Obama failed to mention his 6 years at the CAC -- six years of experience he now claims is the qualifier for his executive experience -- in either of his two autobiographies.
    Maybe he should answer when you've answered my question (which you dodged). You've read both his books?

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    Maybe he should answer when you've answered my question (which you dodged). You've read both his books?
    Nope. But, if what I said were not true, someone would have disputed or refuted it. They haven't.

    There, do you release him to answer mine?

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    “I saw no evidence of a radical streak, either overt or covert, when we were together at Harvard Law School,” said Bradford A. Berenson, who worked on the Harvard Law Review with Mr. Obama and who served as associate White House counsel under President Bush. Mr. Berenson, who is backing Mr. McCain, described his fellow student as “a pragmatic liberal” whose moderation frustrated others at the law review whose views were much farther to the left.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/us...%20%20LWzVGtPQ

    Oh noes!
    As Obama is going to be our next president, I find this quote comforting.

    Thanks, Chump.

    Obama's rhetoric has been decidedly un-radical. His plan for healthcare, also, is reasonable, and not an over-reaching govt. power grab (I think he may get some backlash when the left figures this out).

    Palin's quote, however "accurate" it might be, is not intelligent at this point in the race. It indicates desperation. It's not going to work, and is going to turn undecideds off. As much as the race for the WH, IMO, is over, McCain could still do a lot of damage to congressional races by running a ridiculous campaign to close this out.

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    Nope. But, if what I said were not true, someone would have disputed or refuted it. They haven't.
    Someone? Like Who? Where are you getting your information?

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    Someone? Like Who? Where are you getting your information?
    Sorry, that's question #2...get GGA to answer mine first.

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    Sorry, that's question #2...get GGA to answer mine first.
    I have no control over what he does. Since you don't get basic cable, I'm wondering where you get your information on books you have never read.

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    Oh, and speaking of desperation -- disgusting desperation:



    I'm sure Obama will condemn these ads and ask they be pulled...

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    "I'm sure Obama will condemn these ads and ask they be pulled..."

    Any lies in there?

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    While you're trying to remember where you heard about his books, why don't you go and read up on the U.S. Council for World Freedom. McCain sat on the board. It has been described as "extremist", "racist", and "anti-semitic". See what Joe Coors did.

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    I have no control over what he does. Since you don't get basic cable, I'm wondering where you get your information on books you have never read.
    Your previous post presumes otherwise, I think.

    Maybe he should answer when you've answered my question (which you dodged). You've read both his books?
    Anyway, I'll move forward when he does. If you want to refute the substance of my claims, read the books yourself and report back.

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    Ayers was a Weatherman when Obama was less than 10 years old. Ayers went on to a productive, lawful life.

    Keating was a criminal when McKeating was a Senator and pressuring regulators to lay off Keating, while frequently a guest of Keating in Bahamas. McKeating received official sanction from Congress. Keating went on to jail.

    Does McLoser's camp really want to play the guilit-by-association game?

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    Your previous post presumes otherwise, I think.
    Then the whole "reading" and "understanding" concepts were lost on you.



    Anyway, I'll move forward when he does. If you want to refute the substance of my claims, read the books yourself and report back.
    That's not how it works. The onus is on YOU to provide evidence of your claims. You still haven't said where you hear about substance of the books.

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    Then the whole "reading" and "understanding" concepts were lost on you.

    That's not how it works. The onus is on YOU to provide evidence of your claims. You still haven't said where you hear about substance of the books.
    Well, good luck with that whole defining how things work. Please, go forward with whatever punishment you intend to mete out for my insolence.

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    Well, good luck with that whole defining how things work. Please, go forward with whatever punishment you intend to mete out for my insolence.
    Hey I'm happy as long as you keep dodging questions. You continue to make yourself look like an ass.

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