You guys did make a run at Amir

[Allanon]

So it seems the Spurs FO was smarter than the average fan, eh boo boo?

Amir probably would have fit in as a long 3 in the West since he's pretty athletic and could have guarded the big Small Forwards...Diaw, Peja, Odom, Outlaw, Artest.

But Bonner has a cool nickname, you can't just buy that.

[Manufan909]

The Red Rocket cannot be beat!!!

[angelbelow]

okay.

[Bruno]

Amir probably would have fit in as a long 3 in the West since he's pretty athletic and could have guarded the big Small Forwards...Diaw, Peja, Odom, Outlaw, Artest.

Johnson defending Peja ?

You obviously have enver watched him play, so stop talking from your ass.

[Bruno]

BTW, Spurs have their Amir Johnson. His name is Ian Mahinmi.
If Johnson succeed in the NBA, it will be a good sign for Mahinmi.

[Manufan909]

If he can get serious minutes.

[exstatic]

If he can get serious minutes.

If he can get out of the trainer's room.

[mrspurs]

I just don't get the Spurs. The Spurs got impatient with Butler after a year. So what do they do?

Try to get a younger player for double the guaranteed money, of course. Even if the Spurs would have landed him, the Spurs would have traded Amir next summer in a similar cost cutting move.

And if this is true, it doesn't say much for how much the Spurs like Mahinmi and Splitter. . .

Agreed again, only you own the site and i dont so when i say it im negative. And when you say its the truth. go figure.

[pad300]

Going after Amir Johnson kinda throws a wrench in the take that the Spurs did this because they are so high on Mahinmi and Splitter. Their first option in summer is a 20-year-old, 6-foot-11 freak of an athlete.

That's odd, considering that Mahinmi is 20-years-old, 6-foot-11 and a freak of an athlete. Splitter is 22-year-old and also 6-foot-11.

Makes you wonder . . .

TiMVP, I think, in hindsight, that you have an error in perspective here. The summer we drafted Splitter, we also resigned Bonner and Oberto. We signed Udoka, and as noted in this thread, made a run at Johnson(among others, I can't recall if we also made a run at Washington's Blatche...). In hindsight, it's not that the Spurs aren't confident in Mahinmi and Splitter, I think it's that they predict the future pattern of the league to feature ultra-athletic bigs.
Assume that signing Johnson means Bonner isn't resigned... Our roster of bigs on opening night looks like: Duncan, Oberto, Mahinmi, Johnson, Elson, Horry. Not a big difference, given that Johnson played 764 minutes this season for detroit, while Bonner played 853 for us, and Bonner got more minutes due to resting TD and injuries (eg the infamous Golden State game).
Assume that Splitter comes over as expected - our big man roster this season looks like: Duncan, Oberto, Mahinmi, Splitter, Johnson, KT. Looks pretty sweet to me. I think the Spur FO 1) really wants a highly athletic big and 2)expects at least 1of 3 prospects to bust for some reason or other(ie. having 2 of 3 from (Splitter, Mahinmi, and Johnson) alongside TD in 2012 looked real tempting...

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Agreed again, only you own the site and i dont so when i say it im negative. And when you say its the truth. go figure.

It's also because of the fact you're a ing idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

The Spurs want athletic big men.

Big surprise.

[Allanon]

Johnson defending Peja ?

You obviously have enver watched him play, so stop talking from your ass.

Well, I've seen you talk out of your ass alot before Bruno.

So don't just laugh, please explain why Amir can't possibly guard Peja?

[ex's iPhone]

Agreed again, only you own the site and i dont so when i say it im negative. And when you say its the truth. go figure.

probably because timvp mixes in about 85% positive takes,unlike your always negative ass.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

probably because timvp mixes in about 85% positive takes,unlike your always negative ass.

Why do you make a separate account for your iPhone?

[exstatic]

Why do you make a separate account for your iPhone?

So I don't have to constantly toggle images, sigs, and avatars on and off. They make the page load slowly.

[Bruno]

Well, I've seen you talk out of your ass alot before Bruno.

So don't just laugh, please explain why Amir can't possibly guard Peja?

Have you seen Johnson play ?
He isn't a SF and the idea of him chasing Peja on the perimeter is quite ridiculous.
You also called Charles Gaines a SF.
So it seems that you judge players without even knowing them. It's quite disturbing.

[Bruno]

BTW, Johnson sucks for the first preseason game (at least statically).

[Allanon]

Have you seen Johnson play ?
He isn't a SF and the

Amir Johnson 6'9 - 210 pounds
Peja Stojakovic 6'10 - 230 pounds

Ah so, Amir Johnson, a 6'9, 210 pound guy is a "Power Forward" but Peja who is 6'10" and 230 pounds is a small forward? So a Power Forward is supposed to be smaller than a "small" forward? Is that what you are trying to say? Is this some more of your french backward logic...maybe your boy Tony Parker should be a Center?

Hornets: Chandler-Center, David West PF, Peja SF

idea of him chasing Peja on the perimeter is quite ridiculous.

Amir Johnson 6'9 - 210 pounds -21 years old (very athletic)
Peja Stojakovic 6'10 - 230 pounds - 31 years old (not athletic)

So, a 21 year old athletic guy can't chase around and defend a, bigger, slower, fatter 31 year old jumpshooter with a bad back?

So it seems that you judge players without even knowing them. It's quite disturbing.

You may know French basketball but your NBA knowledge is very naivette.

[Bruno]

Unreal.

Keep thinking that he is a PF, I don't give a . You can even think he is a PG if you want.
Whatever you think, it won't change the reality and the fact that Johnson is a PF.

And FYI, Johnson isn't 6'9" 210lbs. He has grown and added some weight since he came in the NBA. the spot you play on a court doesn't depend only on your body. It also depends on your skills and mindset.

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[Allanon]

Unreal.

Keep thinking that he is a PF, I don't give a . You can even think he is a PG if you want. Whatever you think, it won't change the reality and the fact that Johnson is a PF.

Johnson defending Peja ?
You obviously have enver watched him play, so stop talking from your ass.
... the idea of him chasing Peja on the perimeter is quite ridiculous.

I didn't say Amir wasn't a power forward, I said he can guard Peja and you laughed like a pe monkey but still can't explain why he can't guard Peja....learn to read english.

You also avoided the question, "Why can't Amir guard Peja?"

Amir is faster, younger and just a little smaller than Peja; don't be stupid, Amir can guard Peja just fine.

And FYI, Johnson isn't 6'9" 210lbs. He has grown and added some weight since he came in the NBA. the spot you play on a court doesn't depend only on your body. It also depends on your skills and mindset.
[/discussion]

Amir was around 200 pounds when he joined the NBA, he's maybe 210-215 pounds right now. When he plays power forward, he is an undersized "small ball" power forward which is OK in Euro basketball. Compare him with your boy Ronny Turiaf who is a NBA West Conf. size power forward at 6'10, 250 pounds.

This isn't Euro small ball, this is NBA basketball, learn this before you say somebody else is "talking out of their ass" because you are the one doing it.

[timvp]

Bruno is actually dead right. Peja would set the all-time three-pointers made in a game if he was guarded by Amir Johnson. I actually really like Amir and I think he should have gotten more time, especially last year. But he's strictly a bigman defender. And he's not even very good at that ... he tends to float and not always keep track of his man. Luckily he makes up for it in the interior because he's a very good athlete with quick feet and a quick jump.

But you put him out on the perimeter and he'd get destroyed. You can't put a perimeter roamer on Peja (as the Spurs found out last year when they tried to put Manu on him), you especially can't put an interior roamer on Peja. Amir would constantly get sucked into the middle and Peja would go wild.

Amir is athletic but he's definitely a four or five. Any honest Piston fan would tell you how much of a disaster it would be if Amir all of a sudden was asked to guard perimeter players. Especially one like Peja who demands a guy in his face constantly.

[Allanon]

Bruno is actually dead right. Peja would set the all-time three-pointers made in a game if he was guarded by Amir Johnson. I actually really like Amir and I think he should have gotten more time, especially last year. But he's strictly a bigman defender. And he's not even very good at that ... he tends to float and not always keep track of his man. Luckily he makes up for it in the interior because he's a very good athlete with quick feet and a quick jump.

But you put him out on the perimeter and he'd get destroyed. You can't put a perimeter roamer on Peja (as the Spurs found out last year when they tried to put Manu on him), you especially can't put an interior roamer on Peja. Amir would constantly get sucked into the middle and Peja would go wild.

Amir is athletic but he's definitely a four or five. Any honest Piston fan would tell you how much of a disaster it would be if Amir all of a sudden was asked to guard perimeter players. Especially one like Peja who demands a guy in his face constantly.

Amir is 6'9 and lighter and quicker than Peja, why can't he keep up with Peja? This doesn't make sense. With his size, Amir's a tweener that can play either small forward or PF.

It's easy to say this but where's the proof, any proof of small foward jumpshooters torching him?

[timvp]

Amir is 6'9 and lighter and quicker than Peja, why can't he keep up with Peja? This doesn't make sense. With his size, Amir's a tweener that can play either small forward or PF.

Amir Johnson keeps on growing. Arnie Kander, Detroit's strength and conditioning coach, said the 20-year-old is 6-foot-11 1/2. He was 6-9 in 2005 when the Pistons drafted him.

http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.s...p_stronge.html

So you want to put a seven-footer on Peja?

[Allanon]

But you put him out on the perimeter and he'd get destroyed. You can't put a perimeter roamer on Peja (as the Spurs found out last year when they tried to put Manu on him)

Any honest Piston fan would tell you how much of a disaster it would be if Amir all of a sudden was asked to guard perimeter players. Especially one like Peja who demands a guy in his face constantly.

November 11, 2007 - Pistons vs Lakers

Amir spent quite a bit of time on Radmanovic, a small forward, who is almost exactly the same size as Peja and plays on the "perimter". He also spent time on Cook, another Laker small forward and a perimeter player.

I provide proof, not just speculation.

[timvp]

Amir spent quite a bit of time on Radmanovic, a small forward, who is almost exactly the same size as Peja and plays on the "perimter". He also spent time on Cook, another Laker small forward and a perimeter player. He had one of the best games ever

Radmanovic is 6-foot-10 himself and has played most of his career at power forward. Brian Cook has played his ENTIRE career at power forward.

@ calling Brian Cook a small forward. That'd be like calling Matt Bonner a small forward if Bonner were 20 pounds overweight.