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At some point, obviously, I got my wires crossed in my estimation of you.
I apologize.
Good post.
Oh, and, it would still be hard to pass, by design, it is very difficult to ammend the Cons ution.
But it was the ultimate socialist bill! I mean, they're all socialist right? Which means that whoever puts them in office are all socialist too! Under your theory, they SHOULD have passed the bailout on their own, because it would have strengthened their position with his voters!
You're full of . That's the story here.
At some point, obviously, I got my wires crossed in my estimation of you.
I apologize.
Good post.
Oh, and, it would still be hard to pass, by design, it is very difficult to ammend the Cons ution.
Oh, the irony. A Republican president makes several hundred billions of dollars available to bail out failed companies, and you guys are whining about the next likely president being socialist?
Understand this: capitalism has been gangraped in the last few weeks, and the US is now as socialist as they come. And this happened in a Republican administration. Yoni's diatribe is the equivalent of a Spur fan complaining about Pop becoming the Spurs' coach when the previous coach was Bob ing Hill.
It's not really a problem. I'm a confusing personI typically don't get along with conservatives because I'm socialist on lower levels and I don't get along with liberals because I'm fiscally conservative on the federal levels. Makes for fun arguments though.
I was saying that as far as Amendments go, it shouldn't be too hard. There's no much chance, for example, Social Security would fail to get the 2/3rds in both houses, and it's likely that at least 3/4 of the states legislatures (38/50) would ratify it. It's a difficult process, but Amendments to enumerate the necessary powers would have an easier time than say, the flag burning or gay marraige proposals would.
Now back when those programs were first starting is probably another story.
NOT THIS TIME. NOT THIS CANDIDATE.
YES. Why do you think conservatives hate the ing guy.
We see Obama, Congress, and a soon to be ACLU Supreme Court and know there is no republican worth a damn that can speak up enough to drill sense into you numbskulls.
After McCain proposing his Homeownership Resurgence Plan, I'd say he's a socialist too.
We're ed either way.
Yes, under a Republican admin, but could not have been passed without the Democratic-controlled congress.
If con is the opposite of pro, what is the opposite of progress?
Because it was a bill and they did not want to take 100% responsibility when it does damage. , wake up.
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Wrong! The democrats could have passed it on their own but didn't because Madam Pelosi gave those ,who were in election contest, permission to vote against it! Politics at it's best! They didn't want to pass it on their own because an election is coming up!
Exactly why they won't vote for every socialist bill that comes across their desk, wether it's Obama, Bush or anybody else...
MY POINT EXACTLY
Since this is the first anyone has heard of this, it's pretty clear no contract was fulfilled between the Obama and this party.
Throw another FAIL on the fire.
Obama pals around with terrorists and is a socialist? May God help us all..
They hate him so much they nominated him as the GOP presidential candidate??
Agreed. We conservatives are now voting for Palin, or the lesser of two evils rather than votig for McCain.
I missed most of this thread, but 101 also makes great points about the structure of our government as implemented by our founding fathers.
They would be ashamed of this government today.
Conservatives didn't vote for McCain in the primaries.
Remember too, the early primaries were open primaries. The way I see it, the bigoted democrats that wouldn't vote for a black, or a woman, preferred the most liberal republican candidate. I am a firm believer that if the primaries were limited to within party lines, either Romney or Huckabee would be the republican nominee. At least mot McCain. He was never selected in past primaries when prominent white males ran in the democrat primaries.
Actually that's not his proposal. He wants to purchase the mortgages of people who were credit worthy, had down payments, but got caught up in the sub prime mess. Then restructure the loans under a fixed rate.
That's not buying up every bad loan.
National ownership of the interstate highways is socialist. You have a problem with that?
Socialist is a term, like boogey-bear, it depends on what you mean by it. Every society implements policies that are to some degree socialist, its called government. Right now is not a good time to be crowing about the wonders of unregulated free markets. If government for the rich and trinkle-down economics were so great Mexico would be an economic powerhouse but the inconvenient truth is that not so much trinkles down. Extreme capitalism like that advocated by the current crop of neo-cons would result in no environmental laws, no protections for the poor; well, I could go on and on but now that I have debtor prisons in mind, it would look very much like en's English society in Oliver Twist. I think that is the Republican ideal.
The best system is probably a mix of socialism and capitalism.
Greed kills complete capitalism.
I FIND IT SOOOOO FUNNY when people speak of socialism like some evil.
A good measure of socialism is a good thing for a country.
Pure capitalism/democracy have so many faults it is saddening. Not saying other systems were any better....
This whole thread is stupid.
Yoni calling Obama a socialist is being very quiet about McCain's proposal to buy everyone a house. You can't get anymore socialist than that.
How are Yoni and his clan going to defend that?
I can just hear it, "He's being a true Maverick . . . reaching across the aisle" . . . it would be a pathetic attempt at backpeddling, but I'm expecting that.
The truth is, using Yoni's rationale, McCain is a SOCIALIST!!
I guess they're going to have to back up Bob Barr now.
Isn't McCain's proposal to buy and renengotiate mortgages of people who got screwed by the subprime crisis? While that certainly entails the government butting into the private market, it could hardly be classified as "buy everyone a house".
But no one in their right might ever considered McCain to be a true fiscal conservative (or social conservative either really), so a few socialist ideas aren't surprising. It's one of the reason the conservative base needed Palin (or some other heavily conservative person) on board to get motivated.
So, you're not considered a socialist if you only have "a few socialist ideas"?
No, no, no.
You can't have it both ways.
LOL. What the did that have to do with my post?
I never declared McCain not a socialist, I only said it wasn't unexpected.
You were asking how conservatives could stand McCain the socialist, and I answered (they already knew he was). Of course, he still less of a socialist than Obama, so he'd still be the fiscal conservatives choice of the two most likely (at least based on issue stances only and not taking into account relevant personal information like personality, etc).
Like I said, you can't have it both ways.
You can't call out Obama for being a socialist when you're candidate also shares some socialist ideas.
It's extremely childish to say, "well, my candidate is a little socialist, your's is a big socialist."
How insane is that?
You really believe that? What is childish about complaining about someone being heavily socialist (as the claim goes) and favoring the candidate that is significant less socialist. That's extremely consistent.
Refusing to acknowledge McCain has any socialist tendencies is childish, certainly, but your argument is just completely absurd and seems to be a very immature black/white view of things.
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