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Axioms don't prove anything. Axioms are assumptions that usually can't be proved either way, such as the Axiom of Choice and the axioms of ZF.
Again, a flaw in logic.
One of the first comments you responded to was that "racist southern bible beaters" wouldn't vote for Powell because he's Black. You took that as a generalization that all Southern Baptists are racist. It's not. At all. It doesn't mention the Baptist faith specifically, for one thing. For another, it makes absolutely no assertion, one way or the other, about the number of "southern bible beaters" that are racist. It merely suggests that those who are "racist southern bible beaters" wouldn't support a Black candidate. I suspect that's a pretty accurate prediction.
Axioms don't prove anything. Axioms are assumptions that usually can't be proved either way, such as the Axiom of Choice and the axioms of ZF.
Nah, I meant that a pretty good proportion of bible beaters are racists. The way I wrote it is unclear though, and does essentially boil down to racist bible beater = racist, when I wanted to express that the intersection of racists and bible beaters is a pretty large set big enough to make sure that a black man could never get the needed support of the evangelical conservative base to offset the independents and lefties who are rightfully pissed at him for his role in selling the joke of a war.
...unless, or until, they are proven incorrect, Axioms are assumed to be correct and they are used as a bases for mathematical proofs in ZF....
Mathematical argument should be emphasized way more than simple calculation in our educational system.
?Ever been to South Boston? Indiana?
Ummmm...What's wrong with Indiana?
How many times have you been pulled over and had your car searched because of the color of your skin? I'm sure thats not a situation you're sick and tired of, is it?
BTW, pointing out that he is half white is like saying a man who lost his leg still has one left. There is no such thing as "half-white" in this country, there is only "half black". I'm not too sure you'll understand the nuance, but its beyond true.
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sigh.Ummmm...What's wrong with Indiana?
It was pointing out how your thoughts that racism is somehow confined to the South as incorrect.
Current headquarters of the KKK.Ummmm...What's wrong with Indiana?
Actually, I'm pretty sure he wasn't making that comment directly to me, as I'm sure he didn't know I live in Indiana.
He also mentioned Boston. I don't know anything about Boston.
Obviously, this has never happened to me..but I'm sure it has never happened to the majority of people out there, regardless of the color of their skin.
Whatever, Manny. I'm not the first person out there to mention he's half white.BTW, pointing out that he is half white is like saying a man who lost his leg still has one left. There is no such thing as "half-white" in this country, there is only "half black". I'm not too sure you'll understand the nuance, but its beyond true.
Oh yes, I forgot...those morons speak for ALL of Indiana. In fact, every person here in this state is somehow affiliated with the KKK.
This MUST be why Obama has been here practically every other week campaigning. He feels he can turn the hate of every person here around.
Oh you're sure are you? I'm sure it hasn't happaned to the majority of people either, since the majority of people are white.
But the majority of minorities? I don't know, depends on where they live. I live in a hispanic dominated city and yet I've somehow managed to have it happen to me more than once. Amazing isn't it, considering racism is dead?
As for the second part I didn't expect you to get the nuance.
I'm really really really trying hard not to be a condescending asshole mainly because I think you're a nice person and not the usual type of poster in this forum but you're making it extremely difficult with these answers.
I just explained to you what Shelshor's response to you meant.
NO ONE IS SAYING THAT EVERYONE IN INDIANA IS A RACIST. Jesus christ please stop painting everything with such broad strokes.
This is about as simple as it can be broken down and several people have already tried to explain it to you. When the subject of racism is brought up as a factor in this election that does not mean that every white person is a racist. Something being a factor does not mean it is a factor for EVERYONE but it doesn't take EVERYONE to make a difference.
I'm sorry....Point to the comment where I said racism is dead?
Where in the world did I mention that racism is confined to the south?
I never said that!
Right here
Or was your assertion that when the color of my skin makes me a victim I should simply shut up and take it?I'm so tired of people playing the victim because of the color of their skin, their gender, their age, etc.
Doh, you didn't. I attributed someone else's post to you and I apologize for that.
I'm not the one "painting this in broad strokes."
I didn't start this...BB did by insinuating that that evangelicals and southern baptists and whatnot wouldn't vote for a black man, etc.
And there have been others on here that assume, if you don't vote for the black man, it must be for racial reasons...there can't possibly be another explanation.
Evangelicals and southern baptists are far less likely to vote for a black man. That's a fact. You can dispute it all you want but social demographics are what they are and there is a lot of sociological evidence to back this up.
Nope. there are lots of people out there who truly are the victims of race or gender. I understand that.
But I also know there are people out there who look at that see themselves as victims because they have the same color of skin or the same gender.
Obviously, I'm a female, as indicated by my avatar...if I didn't get a promotion at work, I'd never say..."Oh, it's because I'm a woman. I bet so and so got it because he's a man, and this place doesn't appreciate women in the workplace."
That's just one example, but I feel this happens when race is involved a lot too.
It seems so many feel en led to jobs or whatever simply because of past inequities.
That's cool.
Let me ask you this, do you ever wonder why women on average make less then men? Do you feel its because women on average are inferior workers?
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