***OFFICIAL EliteXC: "Heat" Thread***

[Evan]

*sits in corner and gets a towel rub down*
*Listens advice from trainers*
*waves off water bottle*

[dbreiden83080]

[B]That EXC tried to fix a fight.
There is no other way to put it. They were trying to fix a fight. This is a huge black eye on MMA. Make no mistake about it. EXC is in the public eye…. even my mom knows they exist. So the first MMA org to make it main stream is now in a fight fixing scandal. Yee -f*cking haw…. yay Shaw's. EXC was so dead set on Kimbo winning Shaw as ring side screaming in misery that his Willy Wonka chocolate bar wrapper was fluttering away. Proof is everywhere…especially since Gary has admitted it and nobody can keep their story's straight.

And if hard proof exists that they tried to fix it, they will get busted and may go down the drain for good. Until that happens, this is just talk. Rumors, nothing more. Seth said one thing then backtracked, EXC officials are denying everything. Did the UFC get hurt long-term when Hammill got ed over in the UK with crooked judging?? No, why because they had many more big fights coming down the road to drown out that noise. It is all about the fights. If EXC can book some bigger fights, this will all be forgotten. Plus the next time Kimbo fights, they'll never try anything like this again. They can't afford too. You mention boxing. You have any idea how many scandals they survived when they were more popular. Boxing is not dead because of scandals they are dead because they have no big stars left. People were accused to taking dives when Tyson was in his heyday, nobody cared the next time he fought. Everyone believed that the judging was rigged when De-la hoya fought Trinidad and when Holyfield fought Lewis. They still bought the PPV next time out. And if this is true and Elite-XC goes down largely because of it, then fine. Good riddance. It won't effect the UFC at all. Why because they have all the star power in the world to shut this kind of nonsense up. The huge events they put on one after the other will mean far more than any lingering doubt of possible rigged fights. Their rep is very clean of this stuff. So it is not likely to follow to them and hurt the credibility of their product.

[Evan]

EXC officials are denying everything.

No...no they're not. They don't know what they are saying. Look at that link I posted. Gary says there is nothing wrong with encouraging the outcome of a fight.

And how can you possibly compare a dumb judge to paying someone to alter the outcome of a fight? Nobody thought that was a fix except some 12 year olds on sherdog.

You need to separate what MMA fans have seen from what the general public has seen. And more importantly what the general sports media has seen. Think any of them have seen that Hamil fight?

[dbreiden83080]

No...no they're not. They don't know what they are saying. Look at that link I posted. Gary says there is nothing wrong with encouraging the outcome of a fight.

Yeah and he is a moron but it is not like the UFC does not with their actions let you know who they want to win. Or do you call putting GSP and Serra 2 in Montreal when Serra was champ, leveling the playing field? That crowd was ready to lynch Serra

"And how can you possibly compare a dumb judge to paying someone to alter the outcome of a fight? Nobody thought that was a fix except some 12 year olds on sherdog"

I can do it because boxing survived scandals for 50 years when they had star power. Again it is all about the big fights. Keep putting them on and people will watch and largely ignore this bull . You have any idea how many times people have accused Don King of paying off judges?

"You need to separate what MMA fans have seen from what the general public has seen. And more importantly what the general sports media has seen. Think any of them have seen that Hamil fight"

You need to seperate EXC from the UFC. Why because the UFC is MMA today. They have all the star power, they put on all the big fights, they control the industry. This was a show on CBS that drew what 7 or 8 million viewers? Worst case scenario, it is revelaed they tried to fix the fight, EXC closes it's doors, UFC keeps dominating with huge card after huge card, hardly anyone ever speaks of this again. As long as the UFC is never busted doing this, it really won't matter. And that won't happen.

You seem to think this will have long-term effects, with the state of the UFC, i don't see it happening.

[Evan]

I can do it because boxing survived scandals for 50 years when they had star power. Again it is all about the big fights. Keep putting them on and people will watch and largely ignore this bull . You have any idea how many times people have accused Don King of paying off judges? .

Understood and you're correct but MMA is far too new and has ZERO history. People are looking to dismiss it. Boxing used to be the sport in this country.

"You need to separate what MMA fans have seen from what the general public has seen. And more importantly what the general sports media has seen. Think any of them have seen that Hamil fight"

You need to seperate EXC from the UFC. Why because the UFC is MMA today. .

Of course I am seperating them…I have made that clear several times and is the basis of my argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It doesn't seperate the fact that the general sports media AND GENERAL SPORTS FAN has gotten is first taste of MMA from EXC and now has a big scandal to think about.

[dbreiden83080]

*sits in corner and gets a towel rub down*
*Listens advice from trainers*
*waves off water bottle*

*Tells trainer to piss off*

*Fix My Cut*

*Going for KO*

[Evan]

oh dear.........

*inserts EPO IV*

[desflood]

Going for an extra round, gents, or just going to wait for a judges' decision?

I'll go call Cecil Peoples. We'll make sure we screw this up correctly.

[dbreiden83080]

Understood and you're correct but MMA is far too new and has ZERO history. People are looking to dismiss it. Boxing used to be the sport in this country

People are not looking to dismiss it. You of all people know how big this sport is now. This scandal will NOT change the fact that MMA is the combat sport of the future. In Nov when Brock is fighting Randy, who will give a ??



"Of course I am seperating them…I have made that clear several times and is the basis of my argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

You are UPSET beacuse you think this will hurt MMA, i'm telling you it won't because of the UFC's power and ability to make great fights. How will EXC screwing around effect anything long term, taking into account everything i have already said? Short term it is a problem, long term it is not.

"It doesn't seperate the fact that the general sports media AND GENERAL SPORTS FAN has gotten is first taste of MMA from EXC and now has a big scandal to think about"

And if EXC has to pay for this with closed doors, oh well. The public goes back to the UFC and won't have to worry about any of this nonsense. All is always forgotten with star power and mega fights

[Evan]

Going for an extra round, gents, or just going to wait for a judges' decision?

I'll go call Cecil Peoples. We'll make sure we screw this up correctly.

dbreiden83080 has made excellent points but I still don't agree with him.

A fix is a fix and its not good that this is what the masses know about MMA.

I need to go to a meeting here in 10 minutes so let me close with quoting the great Zach Arnold who has said it better than me.

Just who is potentially affected by this Elite XC scandal?

The sportsbooks and MMA bettors in Las Vegas. If Las Vegas thinks that fights are being fixed or manipulated, are they going to want to put any betting lines on the board for the public to place bets on? Maintaining the utmost credibility when it comes to fights in the United States is a major deal. That’s why fixing a fight or bribing a fight to manipulate the potential outcome of a fight is a felony and gets you jail time.

The stockholders of Pro Elite. Investors in Pro Elite cannot be happy right now, both with the current financial numbers the company has produced in 10k filings and also with this current scandal. An investigation into the company’s activity based on this scandal could be bad news for company management.

The MMA industry as a whole, particularly UFC. There are people inside the MMA industry who have spent their entire lives trying to build this sport up, only to now see the sport get a black eye because of the Kimbo Slice situation. Dana White justifiably should be upset with what is going on here. A match fixing or manipulating scandal could do legitimate damage to the credibility of Mixed Martial Arts in the United States.

The fans. There are plenty of boxing fans who now watch MMA because it’s a more exciting product. The last thing this business needs is boxing-style corruption seeping into this young, fresh industry that is gaining more and more steam. Fans deserve true, legitimate outcomes to fights.

How do you think CBS would feel about an SEC investigation into Pro Elite, given the amount of money that CBS has put into the company so far? It doesn’t matter if the amount of money is peanuts for CBS, the fact is that they put money into the company.

[dbreiden83080]

Going for an extra round, gents, or just going to wait for a judges' decision?

I'll go call Cecil Peoples. We'll make sure we screw this up correctly.

"Judges score it 30-27 for Evan"

"Dbreiden fires Juanito Ibarra"

"Gets arrested for trying to run over old ladies in his SUV"

[Evan]

Dbreiden83080….I'll be back later to respond to post #584. I have to run to a meeting and play monopoly on my ipod for 2 hours.

[Evan]

"Judges score it 30-27 for Evan"

"Dbreiden fires Juanito Ibarra"

"Gets arrested for trying to run over old ladies in his SUV"

[dbreiden83080]

"dbreiden83080 has made excellent points but I still don't agree with him.

A fix is a fix and its not good that this is what the masses know about MMA. "

Why would you say this is what "The Masses know about MMA"

Don't you think you are selling the UFC and all they have done, especially in the last few years painfully short here?? I think most people know MMA is the combat sport of the future. I don't think one televised event put on by another company with a scandal that follows, erases or does major damage to MMA as whole, given all the UFC has done. I just dont...




"The MMA industry as a whole, particularly UFC. There are people inside the MMA industry who have spent their entire lives trying to build this sport up, only to now see the sport get a black eye because of the Kimbo Slice situation. Dana White justifiably should be upset with what is going on here. A match fixing or manipulating scandal could do legitimate damage to the credibility of Mixed Martial Arts in the United States"

I think what goes on here is a standard over-reaction to a situation like this. They need to investigate and if they find proof that EXC did this, they are dead in the water. Now that may just have to make Dana and the UFC work that much harder to prove it is safe to lay lines and bets on our fights but they will be just fine. The UFC has a 100% clean record and it will remain that way. EXC a company basically bankrupt that tried to fix a fight as a means of getting themselves established, will pail in comparison to the juggernut of the UFC, with a clean record making the biggest and best MMA fights in the world. Like i said Boxing survived a lot of scandals when it was HOT, so will MMA thanks mainly to the UFC.

[Evan]

"dbreiden83080 has made excellent points but I still don't agree with him.

A fix is a fix and its not good that this is what the masses know about MMA. "

Why would you say this is what "The Masses know about MMA"

Don't you think you are selling the UFC and all they have done, especially in the last few years painfully short here?? .

dbreiden83080 …I have explained that a few times…

The mass media knows more about the EXC than they do the UFC. It’s a fact. It’s the first time a lot of newspapers and local stations have covered MMA and what they saw was Kimbo popping a ear and now they have a fight fixing scandal.

And I am not saying MMA is going anywhere….its just bad way to start with a lot of people.

[dbreiden83080]

The mass media knows more about the EXC than they do the UFC. It’s a fact. It’s the first time a lot of newspapers and local stations have covered MMA and what they saw was Kimbo popping a ear and now they have a fight fixing scandal.
[/B]

The Mass media knows plenty about the UFC. They have graced the issue of Sports Illustrated, they have had Rogan and Goldberg on Sportscenter covering the fights and doing previews. They are now showing highlights of all the UFC le fights on SportCenter and ESPN NEWS. the UFC has been getting coverage of a number of events in tons of major newspapers. The show on CBS did not even garner that great a ratings considering it was on CBS. They drew about 4 million viewers. Ortiz and Shamrock 3 on e TV, (Hardly a major Network) drew nearly 6 million viewers. If that was on CBS it would have done 10 mil easy. I just don't think all that many people really care about this nonsense with Kimbo. And the ones that do will be drown out by all the big fights coming up.

Alright somebody add this up and tell us who WON??

[Evan]

The Mass media knows plenty about the UFC. They have graced the issue of Sports Illustrated, they have had Rogan and Goldberg on Sportscenter covering the fights and doing previews. They are now showing highlights of all the UFC le fights on SportCenter and ESPN NEWS. the UFC has been getting coverage of a number of events in tons of major newspapers. The show on CBS did not even garner that great a ratings considering it was on CBS. They drew about 4 million viewers. Ortiz and Shamrock 3 on e TV, (Hardly a major Network) drew nearly 6 million viewers. If that was on CBS it would have done 10 mil easy. I just don't think all that many people really care about this nonsense with Kimbo. And the ones that do will be drown out by all the big fights coming up.

Thats all well and good but it has nothing to do with my point really.

EXC tried to fix a fight and I think its a big deal. MMA was doing just fine before boxing got involved and they have now tainted it

We went in so many directions that got lost. hah

[dbreiden83080]

"The mass media knows more about the EXC than they do the UFC. It’s a fact"

That is hardly a fact Evan. As i just went into detail about

[Evan]

"The mass media knows more about the EXC than they do the UFC. It’s a fact"

That is hardly a fact Evan. As i just went into detail about

I would say more newspapers, local TV networks and sports radio stations have covered EXC than the UFC because of the "first national mma broadcast" aspect. Everything I have read on blogs and seen for myself have convinced that is true.

[Evan]

If you watch Inside MMA on HDnet catch tonights episode and turn to the 24 minute mark. They even address this...right after I posted my point!

[desflood]

Alright somebody add this up and tell us who WON??

We need cornbread or Leonard, damn it all. None of the rest of us are swift enough to follow all that.

[dbreiden83080]

We need cornbread or Leonard, damn it all. None of the rest of us are swift enough to follow all that.

Well the with you then. Next time Evan and i want to have a pissing contest we'll take it to a back alley somewhere

[Evan]

Well the with you then. Next time Evan and i want to have a pissing contest we'll take it to a back alley somewhere

Could stuff my friend...pleasure arguing with you.

[desflood]

Well the with you then. Next time Evan and i want to have a pissing contest we'll take it to a back alley somewhere

Please don't misunderstand me. It was a great pleasure to watch you two play "que mas macho" today.

[Evan]

Please don't misunderstand me. It was a great pleasure to watch you two play "que mas macho" today.

I killed off half my work day. That has all kinds of victory written all over it.