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    anyone for judging Hitler or anyone for judging KKK members right? They are just telling people what they think: all the time and everywhere
    Don't you know you automatically lose any internet argument when you bust out the Hitler card? Who the are you to judge Manu anyways?

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    He can believe whatever he wants to believe. It makes no difference to me. But to act like superstars in the limelight spouting off about really inflammatory subjects has no bearing on perception is just naive. What he believes is between himself and god or whomever he believes in.

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    He can believe whatever he wants to believe. It makes no difference to me. But to act like superstars in the limelight spouting off about really inflammatory subjects has no bearing on perception is just naive. What he believes is between himself and god or whomever he believes in.
    Bull . Manu's a grown ing man who can speak his mind. People who think religion has to be handled with kiddie gloves are morons.

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    Don't you know you automatically lose any internet argument when you bust out the Hitler card? Who the are you to judge Manu anyways?
    If you can point out anytime I judged Manu I would gladly shut up. I have said over and over that he can believes what he wants. No you do not lose any cred when you bust out the Hitler card. If you will back someone up based on their "beliefs", you must back up all comers or lose your cred.

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    He can believe whatever he wants to believe. It makes no difference to me. But to act like superstars in the limelight spouting off about really inflammatory subjects has no bearing on perception is just naive. What he believes is between himself and god or whomever he believes in.
    How is he acting like a superstar in the limelight? Somebody asked him a question and he answered it honestly without embellishments.

    I'm a believer, but I don't see why Manu's simple answer can be construed as anything other than an honest answer.

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    That's correct.
    He's a smart guy.
    What leads you to believe he is a smart guy from that simple statement?

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    Just like AJ can say he won the le because Jesus believed in him. I disagree, but it's his right and I don't think any less of him for saying it. If he got up and started preaching fire and brimstone that would be different.

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    If you can point out anytime I judged Manu I would gladly shut up. I have said over and over that he can believes what he wants. No you do not lose any cred when you bust out the Hitler card. If you will back someone up based on their "beliefs", you must back up all comers or lose your cred.
    You said he should have kept the answer to himself. That's where.

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    Just like AJ can say he won the le because Jesus believed in him. I disagree, but it's his right and I don't think any less of him for saying it. If he got up and started preaching fire and brimstone that would be different.
    I do not think any less of Manu. I think that if this is true he was incredibly stupid for posting such a inflammatory answer on the world wide web. No judgments on what he believes. But in this world in which he lives, he must be more careful with what he says. It brings a lot of negative attention (believer or not) to a team that does not value that (especially after how he is viewed bc of the injury).

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    You said he should have kept the answer to himself. That's where.
    No, I said he should of gave a more palatable answer to such an inflammatory question. Especially since it would be seen by the world. You cannot back up one belief bc it is in line with what you believe and then dismiss radical views if they are just being honest in what they believe such as the KKK or Hitler. May be extreme but when you are public figures (such as many of these misguided souls) if you are free to be honest and to believe what you want, then everyone must be free. It is the quintessential basis upon what freedom is founded.

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    I do not think any less of Manu. I think that if this is true he was incredibly stupid for posting such a inflammatory answer on the world wide web. No judgments on what he believes. But in this world in which he lives, he must be more careful with what he says. It brings a lot of negative attention (believer or not) to a team that does not value that (especially after how he is viewed bc of the injury).
    So do you think David Robinson is stupid for bringing up God in both interviews after winning les? Of course not, because he believes the same thing you do.

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    No, I said he should of gave a more palatable answer to such an inflammatory question. Especially since it would be seen by the world. You cannot back up one belief bc it is in line with what you believe and then dismiss radical views if they are just being honest in what they believe such as the KKK or Hitler. May be extreme but when you are public figures (such as many of these misguided souls) if you are free to be honest and to believe what you want, then everyone must be free. It is the quintessential basis upon what freedom is founded.
    Are you really comparing the absence of faith to being a member of the KKK or supporting Hitler?

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    No, I said he should of gave a more palatable answer to such an inflammatory question. Especially since it would be seen by the world. You cannot back up one belief bc it is in line with what you believe and then dismiss radical views if they are just being honest in what they believe such as the KKK or Hitler. May be extreme but when you are public figures (such as many of these misguided souls) if you are free to be honest and to believe what you want, then everyone must be free. It is the quintessential basis upon what freedom is founded.
    More palatable answer? Like what? He didn't say ' god' or 'religion is a fraud' or anything like that. He said he doesn't believe. How much more palatable do you want it?

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    anyone for judging Hitler or anyone for judging KKK members right? They are just telling people what they think: all the time and everywhere
    WTF????

    If all they did was talk, it wouldn't have been a problem. But, uh, they killed and lynched, maimed and tortured. How the do you equate that to someone making a comment about his beliefs or lack thereof?

    That is one of the most moronic comparisons you could possibly make.

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    So do you think David Robinson is stupid for bringing up God in both interviews after winning les? Of course not, because he believes the same thing you do.
    No because believing in God is much more in line with what the vast majority of people in this country believe. Do you vote? The presidential candidates always align themselves with religion bc it gets them votes. Is that right? It is debatable. Do I like it? No. It has nothing to do with what I believe. My understanding of God differs a lot from the vast majority of people I come in contact with. I am purely saying from a point of view that aligns with the same people that grilled Howard for his comments or any other comments that draw negative attention. Even though it was an honest answer and one that he is more than en led to, he should not have said it in a public forum. He could of easily not answered the question and skipped all of the trouble.

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    Thread le: Manu responds to the forum (Translation needed)

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    I think this thread got lost in translation.

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    No because believing in God is much more in line with what the vast majority of people in this country believe. Do you vote? The presidential candidates always align themselves with religion bc it gets them votes. Is that right? It is debatable. Do I like it? No. It has nothing to do with what I believe. My understanding of God differs a lot from the vast majority of people I come in contact with. I am purely saying from a point of view that aligns with the same people that grilled Howard for his comments or any other comments that draw negative attention. Even though it was an honest answer and one that he is more than en led to, he should not have said it in a public forum. He could of easily not answered the question and skipped all of the trouble.
    Who gives a what the vast majority of people think? It's an answer to the same inflammatory question. You're a moron for telling Manu he shouldn't say what he thinks.

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    Are you really comparing the absence of faith to being a member of the KKK or supporting Hitler?
    More palatable answer? Like what? He didn't say ' god' or 'religion is a fraud' or anything like that. He said he doesn't believe. How much more palatable do you want it?
    WTF????

    If all they did was talk, it wouldn't have been a problem. But, uh, they killed and lynched, maimed and tortured. How the do you equate that to someone making a comment about his beliefs or lack thereof?

    That is one of the most moronic comparisons you could possibly make.
    You are missing the point completely. The point is that if you defend one opinion, right or wrong, you must defend all. It is a slippery slope. Do I think that Manu is as bad as Hitler or the KKK? Not even close. Do I think Manu and Hitler and the KKK have rights as individuals, yes. That is the point. Not every KKK member lynches, maims or tortures people. Are they wrong in their beliefs? I believe so. But they are en led to their beliefs just as everyone else in this country or any country until they cross a line that violates another humans ability to live their own life.

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    He could of easily not answered the question and skipped all of the trouble.
    No, because dip s like you would have criticized him for not answering the question, leaving open the possibility that he was an atheist thereby responding with an inflammatory non-response to a question about religion.

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    You are missing the point completely. The point is that if you defend one opinion, right or wrong, you must defend all. It is a slippery slope. Do I think that Manu is as bad as Hitler or the KKK? Not even close. Do I think Manu and Hitler and the KKK have rights as individuals, yes. That is the point. Not every KKK member lynches, maims or tortures people. Are they wrong in their beliefs? I believe so. But they are en led to their beliefs just as everyone else in this country or any country until they cross a line that violates another humans ability to live their own life.
    The point you were making is that people, particularly those in the limelight, should choose their words carefully and watch what they say in order to protect their image. That's a contrary point to the one you just made in the quote above.

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    Uh, can we get back on track?

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    Who gives a what the vast majority of people think? It's an answer to the same inflammatory question. You're a moron for telling Manu he shouldn't say what he thinks.
    Your a ing moron for being uneducated about anything. I never said he cannot believe in what ever he wants. I said that since he is a public figure, he should not respond to such questions, whether or not he believes or does not believe. You seem like the same type of person that believes like this


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    You are missing the point completely. The point is that if you defend one opinion, right or wrong, you must defend all.
    So then free speech? Brilliant. Yes, I defend anyone's right to say whatever in the they want, popular or not. Even idiots like you.

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    You are missing the point completely. The point is that if you defend one opinion, right or wrong, you must defend all. It is a slippery slope. Do I think that Manu is as bad as Hitler or the KKK? Not even close. Do I think Manu and Hitler and the KKK have rights as individuals, yes. That is the point. Not every KKK member lynches, maims or tortures people. Are they wrong in their beliefs? I believe so. But they are en led to their beliefs just as everyone else in this country or any country until they cross a line that violates another humans ability to live their own life.
    Nope, you missed the point completely.

    People like Hitler and the KKK aren't judged so harshly for their opinions as much as they are judged for their actions. If Hitler and the KKK never killed, tortured, abused, and otherwise caused mayhem, they would not be judged they way they are. It's their hateful and criminal actions, not their opinions, that cannot be defended.

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