Rockets at Celtics

[dirk4mvp]

Its funny to see Mavs fans talking about this, when jHo did the same ing thing last year, running the length of the court trying to start a fight with god knows who. What's even funnier is that the justification back then was that 'Dallas was sending a message' that they were not going to be pushed around. Sounds familiar? Same some Rox fan just regurgitated?
The reality is that you send messages by winning when it matters, not by letting other guys get into your head. Or you do like Dirk, you take the abuse then get your ass kicked.

I realize you're a ing idiot and all, but Josh Howard's importance to the Mavericks does not equal to the importance of Tracy McGrady to the Rockets. Hence the talk in the thread about this isn't something your franchise player does.

[Tmac&Luther]

Its funny to see Mavs fans talking about this, when jHo did the same ing thing last year, running the length of the court trying to start a fight with god knows who. What's even funnier is that the justification back then was that 'Dallas was sending a message' that they were not going to be pushed around. Sounds familiar? Same some Rox fan just regurgitated?
The reality is that you send messages by winning when it matters, not by letting other guys get into your head. Or you do like Dirk, you take the abuse then get your ass kicked.

Okay....what do you think Tim Duncan would do if a scrub pushed his head back with his finger? I seriously doubt he would just be a "happy camper". Nobody's asking someone to start throwing blows.......in reality that hardly ever happens and NBA players know this. NBA players don't want to fight (which is the whole reason they're so quick to hold someone back) and they know 99% of the time there isn't going to be a fight........but you have to atleast show that your not going to allow that crap to happen, that's all Tmac did.

Really both the Celtics and Rockets handled the situation perfectly fine....House thought McGrady took a shot at his teamate.......Tmac thought Walker was trying to bully him and then went after House when he thought he was trying to disrespect him and his team. In the end BOTH players will get high praise in their collective locker rooms.....and both teams probably have more respect for each other, because of it.

[ElNono]

I realize you're a ing idiot and all, but Josh Howard's importance to the Mavericks does not equal to the importance of Tracy McGrady to the Rockets. Hence the talk in the thread about this isn't something your franchise player does.

I understand that you're a Mavs fan, but I'm not comparing what's the importance of JHo and TMac to their teams, but that they're both weak minded es.
I'm also stating that the whole 'sending a message' through playing the though guy card has been done before by your own stinking team, with the same first round exit as a result, with the aggravation that your star player got taunted then proceeded to take it up the ass.

[ElNono]

Okay....what do you think Tim Duncan would do if a scrub pushed his head back with his finger? I seriously doubt he would just be a "happy camper". Nobody's asking someone to start throwing blows.......in reality that hardly ever happens and NBA players know this. NBA players don't want to fight (which is the whole reason they're so quick to hold someone back) and they know 99% of the time there isn't going to be a fight........but you have to atleast show that your not going to allow that crap to happen, that's all Tmac did.

Really both the Celtics and Rockets handled the situation perfectly fine....House thought McGrady took a shot at his teamate.......Tmac thought Walker was trying to bully him and then went after House when he thought he was trying to disrespect him and his team. In the end BOTH players will get high praise in their collective locker rooms.....and both teams probably have more respect for each other, because of it.

Eddie House is not stupid. He knows who he's pushing around. TD would tell him to STFU, then proceed to destroy the Celtics in the game. That's what smart players do. They have game to back them up.

[dirk4mvp]

they're both weak minded

No argument there.

with the same first round exit as a result, with the aggravation that your star player got taunted then proceeded to take it up the ass.

Yeah, he should have retaliated and got a suspension. That's what all franchise players do, get suspended during their team's playoff series. I mean, Tim Duncan does it all the time right?

[Tmac&Luther]

Eddie House is not stupid. He knows who he's pushing around. TD would tell him to STFU, then proceed to destroy the Celtics in the game. That's what smart players do. They have game to back them up.

Well I guess we don't know, because nobody ever jammed their finger into Duncan's forehead........but your really nieve if you just think Duncan would've just stood there.

[ElNono]

Yeah, he should have retaliated and got a suspension. That's what all franchise players do, get suspended during their team's playoff series. I mean, Tim Duncan does it all the time right?

I thought he did well in not reacting. What he did wrong was not taking it personal and making that West little regret it. By the time the series was over, West won, Dirk lost.

[Tmac&Luther]

Yeah, he should have retaliated and got a suspension. That's what all franchise players do, get suspended during their team's playoff series. I mean, Tim Duncan does it all the time right?

Hmm.....how many games is Tmac getting suspended for? How many games is Bill Walker getting suspended for? How many games is Eddie House getting suspended for?

Nobody is asking Dirk to start throwing some damn bows........just stand up for yourself and slap that dumbasses hand out of your freaking face or give him a piece of your mind.......not look like a scolded dog.

[ElNono]

Well I guess we don't know, because nobody ever jammed their finger into Duncan's forehead........but your really nieve if you just think Duncan would've just stood there.

I've seen it with Manu, who is probably as level headed as TD. I still remember getting intentionally hit by Carmella (who got ejected for that) and KMart. He then proceeded to destroy Denver for the rest of the series.

[dirk4mvp]

I thought he did well in not reacting. What he did wrong was not taking it personal and making that West little regret it. By the time the series was over, West won, Dirk lost.

It's hard to do that when they got vastly outplayed. Dirk's stats were pretty good in the series though.

And as far as getting taunted, ask Tim Thomas what happened when he blew Dirk a kiss.

[dirk4mvp]

Hmm.....how many games is Tmac getting suspended for? How many games is Bill Walker getting suspended for? How many games is Eddie House getting suspended for?

Nobody is asking Dirk to start throwing some damn bows........just stand up for yourself and slap that dumbasses hand out of your freaking face or give him a piece of your mind.......not look like a scolded dog.

I dare say that they would look at a playoff game altercation more closely than a preseason game that won't be thought twice about.

[dirk4mvp]

I've seen it with Manu, who is probably as level headed as TD. I still remember getting intentionally hit by Carmella (who got ejected for that) and KMart. He then proceeded to destroy Denver for the rest of the series.

Didn't Duncan get popped in the head by Garnett once?


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It doesn't show what he did after the hit, but I doubt he did anything that Dirk didn't do.

[Tmac&Luther]

I've seen it with Manu, who is probably as level headed as TD. I still remember getting intentionally hit by Carmella (who got ejected for that) and KMart. He then proceeded to destroy Denver for the rest of the series.

Manu falls down when air touches him........don't take this the wrong way, but I would never expect him to really stand up for himself.

Also taking a cheap shot/hard play is completely different then some guy walking up to your face in a already heated situation and openly jamming his finger into your forehead......the two situations aren't even remotely comparable.

[ElNono]

It's hard to do that when they got vastly outplayed. Dirk's stats were pretty good in the series though.

And as far as getting taunted, ask Tim Thomas what happened when he blew Dirk a kiss.

The problem is that West had very good stats too, and that's exactly what I mean.

And who is Tim Thomas? Last I recall he was playing for the Clippers?

[dirk4mvp]

A player that taunted Dirk, and didn't knocked the out like some people think should happen during altercations like that.

[ElNono]

Didn't Duncan get popped in the head by Garnett once?

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It doesn't show what he did after the hit, but I doubt he did anything that Dirk didn't do.

Again, I didn't think what Dirk was bad, he just didn't follow on.
Garnett was TD's for as long as he was in Minesotta, so comparing that to West/Dirk is silly.

[Tmac&Luther]

A player that taunted Dirk, and didn't knocked the out like some people think should happen during altercations like that.

Who said Dirk should've "knocked him the out"?

He should've just not allowed the guy to repeatedly touch his face is all.

[ElNono]

Manu falls down when air touches him........don't take this the wrong way, but I would never expect him to really stand up for himself.

Also taking a cheap shot/hard play is completely different then some guy walking up to your face in a already heated situation and openly jamming his finger into your forehead......the two situations aren't even remotely comparable.

You don't understand. There's no need to 'stand up for yourself'. What you do is you let your game do the talking for you. And TMac can make Eddie House look like a rookie out there.
But he let's anybody get into his head, and that takes him out of the game.

Listen, after seeing Bowen do that for years, you can spot right away who falls for those tricks.

[SpursGO]

Well as you see in this thread, these gots think he was just being tough and not taking from somebody

At least T-Mac didnt pull a Dirk and get slapped cough by David West cough, and just walk away like a little girl.

[JamStone]

I don't know where the y'all are from, but if some guy jams his finger into your damn head......you DO NOT just "walk away". That's completely re ed and absolutely pussified.

In sports there are messages sent all the time (teams trying to intimidate teams).....when somebody pulls your card, which is what House tried to do (which is what West did to Dirk), you don't just walk the away....you stand up for yourself and let the opponent know that kinda is not going to fly and your not going to be rolled over like that..

Here's a actual ex-player talking about the situation and I'll take his advice over any "just walk away" guidance counselor wanna be in this thread....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAreNz25wqE

That kinda behavior is flat unacceptable....that's being "mentally weak", you never let anybody disrespect you like that, especially a damn opponent.... at the very least....smack the guys hand out of your damn face. Your opponent will respect you more in the long run, instead of him thinking your just a little that he can get over on.

I have no problem with what Tmac did, Houston is trying to send a message this year.....their toughness has been called into question by everybody including some in the local media....they're trying to send a message early on that this is a different team, different at ude, and they aren't taking that crap......it's no different then what the Tamp Bay Rays did during their spring training/regular season.

In the Dirk situation......I can't really blame Dirk that much though, because he wasn't raised over here, and probably just doesn't know better.......I (especially if I was a Mavs fan) am more pissed at his teamates (players that have been playing with him for years) who didn't run over there in defense of their franchise player. I mean look what happened when Yao got pushed by Walker, Artest was Johny on the spot like in a couple of seconds......and what, that was their third game playing together. If I was Avery I would've laid into my team about that....you don't allow someone to do that to your "star" either.

If you're a superstar franchise player, why do you need to earn respect from a scrub player? We're not talking about a training camp invitee trying to make the team. We're talking about T-Mac. Who the does T-Mac need to prove himself to? Bill Walker? Eddie House?

If I'm a superstar player and some scrub is trying to get in my head by throwing an elbow into me or putting his hands on my face, I laugh at that scrub, tell him to off, and proceed to score 12 straight points on his ass. The fact you continue to try to defend T-Mac as being tough for acting the way he did ESPECIALLY in a pre-season game, is stupidity personified.

It's a second round pick. It's Eddie ing House. It's the ing pre-season. You're Tracy McGrady. How come you can't show that toughness in the playoffs? Pre-season tough guy.

[Obstructed_View]

Didn't Duncan get popped in the head by Garnett once?


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It doesn't show what he did after the hit, but I doubt he did anything that Dirk didn't do.

Joe Smith was beating on him for the whole game and finally Robinson lost his cool. KG started barking at him while he was talking to the ref and Dave pushed him away. KG then slapped Duncan in the head. What you don't see is Duncan turning to ask him what the he's doing. That's about as far as it goes. Duncan says "you're trippin'" and then s you up on the court.

BTW, just for you math majors: Playoff game during championship run does NOT equal preseason game against defending champion in any way shape or form.

And I agree: Dirk did the right thing. David West, while a good player, is a hothead and does stupid things in big situations. What he did to Dirk wasn't smart in any way. Nobody should make the mistake of thinking Dirk's going to forget that incident.

[Tmac&Luther]

If you're a superstar franchise player, why do you need to earn respect from a scrub player? We're not talking about a training camp invitee trying to make the team. We're talking about T-Mac. Who the does T-Mac need to prove himself to? Bill Walker? Eddie House?

If I'm a superstar player and some scrub is trying to get in my head by throwing an elbow into me or putting his hands on my face, I laugh at that scrub, tell him to off, and proceed to score 12 straight points on his ass. The fact you continue to try to defend T-Mac as being tough for acting the way he did ESPECIALLY in a pre-season game, is stupidity personified.

It's a second round pick. It's Eddie ing House. It's the ing pre-season. You're Tracy McGrady. How come you can't show that toughness in the playoffs? Pre-season tough guy.

Don't give me that crap, nobody is asking for Tmac to get into a fight......just not allow somebody to touch your face, I swear some of y'all are the biggest damn pussies I've ever seen. Tmac did what your supposed to do.......you don't let anybody disrespect you like your a .........glad y'all are fine with being little es.

Second nobody got in his head, Tmac actually plays better when he's pissed off......the lazy eye actaully wakes up.

What's funny is your a damn Pistons fan........and then want to act like NBA players are just supposed to hold hands and sing kumbaya, give me a damn break

[The Franchise]

B.S. It wasn't even his own teammates holding him back. It was Paul Pierce. He didn't fight because Pierce broke it up. Don't even get that close. When a scrub talks and touches you, laugh at the scrub and walk away. You're too valuable to your team to do something stupid.

That would be the ideal reaction but it's harder to do when a man is actually putting his hand in your face. Your natural reaction will sometimes take over which is what happened with T-mac. It's easy for us to say the player should not do anything, but we are not in the heat of battle. How many of you saying he should have walked away would have been able to do so under the same cir stances? If it we're the playoffs you keep your cool no matter what, but what better time is there to knock a little out than the preseason? You are right in what your saying but it is a little harder to execute when emotions are already running high.

[Obstructed_View]

It's easy for us to say the player should not do anything, but we are not in the heat of battle.

Neither was T-Mac, unless he had his eye firmly on a high preseason seed for the regular season.

[sook]

ask your ing coach if you play basketball, no1 is asking you to start a fight but let the other person know it isn't ok to ing have a finger on your forehead, thats ing condescending