Is Shawne Williams wearing #4 for the Mavs?

[dirk4mvp]

Cuban has opened up his wallet on several occasions as a GREAT owner does.

But he decided to get cheap (and stupid) on two very bad occasions:

1) Finley
2) Nash

Explain how Nash leaving was bad for the Mavericks.

[Allanon]

Explain how Nash leaving was bad for the Mavericks.

If Nash was still with the Mavs:

Mavs probably would have had a ring right now if they didn't let Nash walk.
Mavs would not have traded for Jason Kidd and lose Devin Harris while paying what was it...$5 million to Keith Van Horn?

[monosylab1k]

Greatest Mavs

1. Dirk
2. Finley
3. Aguirre
4. Rolando
5. Bradley
6. Harper
7. Nash
8. Kidd
9. JET
10. Perkins

[monosylab1k]

If Nash was still with the Mavs:

Mavs probably would have had a ring right now if they didn't let Nash walk.

What year? In 2006 we would have lost to the Spurs, because the difference in that series was Harris raping Parker, whereas if Nash was still with Dallas, it would have been the other way around.

Nobody had any idea Nash was going to develop into a 2-time MVP, but he wasn't going to play in a running system under Avery. He never would have played like that, and we would have been much worse off defensively.

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IMO when it comes to talent and ability, Mark Aguirre is the #2 Mav ever behind Dirk. But Aguirre was also a surly asshole who alienated the fans and made nothing but enemies in the Dallas media.

Finley on the other hand was always classy, always great with fans, and played with fire and passion whether the team was good or bad, whether they were up by 30 or down by 30. The team might have only won 20 games a year, but he fought his ass off all 82. So he definitely is the second greatest Maverick ever in my mind.

yea Aguirre was a head. still is.

[mavsfan1000]

How did that work out?

We became a better team the next 2 years. The Kidd trade as well as Avery eventually took us down.

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Cuban did what was best for the franchise. Not for who his favorites are. We should keep Van Exel as well I guess. Finley's contract was crappy.

Um, no one argued that, dumbass. We just said he deserves more respect as an all-time Maverick.

[monosylab1k]

yea Aguirre was a head. still is.

I met him once, he talked to my 6th grade basketball team. He seemed cool but only talked to us for like 5 minutes and didn't sign any autographs.

[dirk4mvp]

If Nash was still with the Mavs:

Mavs probably would have had a ring right now if they didn't let Nash walk.
Mavs would not have traded for Jason Kidd and lose Devin Harris while paying what was it...$5 million to Keith Van Horn?

lol, ring with Nash. Have you been paying attention to the Mavs? Their postseason achille's heel was getting raped by guards. Never would've beat the Spurs if Nash was still here.

And Nash hasn't won a ring with another team in which he thrives more than when he was a Maverick.

[mavsfan1000]

Um, no one argued that, dumbass. We just said he deserves more respect as an all-time Maverick.

Did you read monosylab1k posts? He was saying it was a bad decision to release Finley. Finley is on the spurs now. It will be awhile before he is retired a Mav so no problem with Shawne Williams using number 4.

[monosylab1k]

We became a better team the next 2 years. The Larry Hughes trade as well as Scott Skiles eventually took us down.

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If Nash was still with the Mavs:

Mavs probably would have had a ring right now if they didn't let Nash walk.
Mavs would not have traded for Jason Kidd and lose Devin Harris while paying what was it...$5 million to Keith Van Horn?

Doubt it. They wouldn't have played defense. Nellie probably would have ended up staying since he still had his favorite players around and that wasn't going to win us crap.

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Did you read monosylab1k posts? He was saying it was a bad decision to release Finley. Finley is on the spurs now. It will be awhile before he is retired a Mav so no problem with Shawne Williams using number 4.

Where did he ever say it was a bad decision? I never saw him say anything like that once in his posts.

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Nobody had any idea Nash was going to develop into a 2-time MVP, but he wasn't going to play in a running system under Avery. He never would have played like that, and we would have been much worse off defensively.

And a lot of the reason he was able to be a 2-time MVP was because he was put into a system that utilized his talents to the absolute max. But a lot of stupid idiots are to dense to realize that.

[The Franchise]

We became a better team the next 2 years. The Kidd trade as well as Avery eventually took us down.

That Finals team was better than the last two playoff teams because of results alone. Letting Finley go was a mistake, and I can't believe I'm defending Finley!!!!

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We became a better team the next 2 years. The Kidd trade as well as Avery eventually took us down.

Who said the Mavericks are down? Gosh you are a ing dumb .

[mavsfan1000]

Where did he ever say it was a bad decision? I never saw him say anything like that once in his posts.

Oh whatever. He was thinking with his heart rather than his mind. I told him the realization that Finley was getting old and his contract was very expensive. I never said that Finley was never that good. Somehow that is what you are making it out like I was saying.

[monosylab1k]

Did you read monosylab1k posts? He was saying it was a bad decision to release Finley.

I said Cuban didn't do it to help the franchise. He only did it to get some luxury tax relief. At the time it didn't appear that losing Finley would hurt since everyone expected Marquis Daniels to step in. Unfortunately Avery wouldn't give Quisy a chance and we see how things turned out at SG after that.

[mavsfan1000]

Who said the Mavericks are down? Gosh you are a ing dumb .

Down from the previous 2 seasons. I think we still got it but I definitely didn't like that trade and Avery wore out his welcome. Why are you making me the bad guy here?

[dirk4mvp]

Down from the previous 2 seasons. I think we still got it but I definitely didn't like that trade and Avery wore out his welcome. Why are you making me the bad guy here?

lol

[monosylab1k]

Why are you making me the bad guy here?

Because you're a Bulls fan who hates Michael Finley.

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That Finals team was better than the last two playoff teams because of results alone. Letting Finley go was a mistake, and I can't believe I'm defending Finley!!!!

I personally DO feel that having Finley in that series could have gotten us past Miami despite the BS officiating. And having Finley I think would have gotten us past the Spurs in 5 as well, as he made some big plays in the series for the Spurs. Plus there would have been no scuffle in game 5, lol.

But oh well.

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Oh whatever. He was thinking with his heart rather than his mind. I told him the realization that Finley was getting old and his contract was very expensive. I never said that Finley was never that good. Somehow that is what you are making it out like I was saying.

Why are you now changing the subject? We were talking about what mono said. You claimed he said it was a bad trade, when he had never said that.

Fail.

[mavsfan1000]

Because you're a Bulls fan who hates Michael Finley.

I stopped rooting for the Bulls in 1998. Seriously I'm sure a lot of you were Jordan fans in the day.

[monosylab1k]

I personally feel that having Finley in that series could have gotten us past Miami despite the BS officiating. And having Finley I think would have gotten us past the Spurs in 5 as well, as he made some big plays in the series for the Spurs. Plus there would have been no scuffle in game 5, lol.

Just having a guy of some size defending Wade would have helped. Not that he could have stopped Wade, but it would have worn D-Whistle out quicker if he was forced to drive against a solidly built 6-7 defender rather than the tiny twigs that Harris & Terry were.